• They were doing wheelies all around my block between Nostrand and New York all day yesterday. I don't know who to call anymore.
  • Try calling the precinct directly. I don't have the number handy, but its available on-line.
  • The 77th's number is 718-735-0611.
  • This has been a horrible night for cars blaring rap music, dirt bikes and motorcycles.
  • I'm getting rap music as well.  Shouldn't the cops give tickets for this?
  • southeast said:

    I'm getting rap music as well.  Shouldn't the cops give tickets for this?


    That requires 2 things. 1. Cops to start giving a rat's ass about the laws they're supposed to enforce. 2. A push from the higher ups to enforce those laws.
  • The local higher ups should be required to live in the boundary of the precinct they command for a portion of the summer.
  • @Dawndew That would be wonderful! I suspect if that happened all the dirtbikes would suddenly disappear after commanders' first summer weekend. 
  • At the meeting I attended, CO Lott stated it takes he and his officers incdreible amounts of restraint to not chase the dirt bikers and patiently wait to learn where they are stored.

    Apparently, the dirt bikers literally goad the officers into chasing them, and give the officers the middle finger, etc.

    However, the officer must resist.
  • @whynot_31 One could argue it's restraint. I argue it is systemic incompetencey that exists in all levels of the NYPD. One of these days a dirt bike is going to kill someone and the NYPD will share a large part of the blame.
  • The CO's perspective was that the likelihood and severity of bad results stemming from a chase exceeded the likelihood of good results.

    ...he likely was speaking from a liability perspective.

    Yes, I am sure dirt bikes have and will kill people, and they are obnoxious.

    However, we need an alternative that isn't worse.

    Having a helicopter see where they are stored seems reasonable to me.

    Having an unmarked car sit near their favorite gas station also seems well thought out.

    You might not be aware that about 1 in 20 arrests of a 16 or 17 year old for a misdemeanor results in a conviction.

    http://www.courtinnovation.org/sites/default/files/documents/ADP Y2 Report Final _v2.pdf

    The police are....
  • As a result of a complaint re: ATV riding, the nearby 88th Pct just confiscated 14 dirt bikes and quads from a storage unit.

    http://fortgreenefocus.com/2014/07/15/cops-arrest-three-for-stashed-guns-drugs-cash-vehicles-in-88th-precinct/

    It isn't hard to imagine that the "possessors" sometimes rode them in Crown Heights.
  • Anyone on the parkway yesterday after 5 and see all those dirt bikes and ATVs?  (it may be been going on earlier, I just wasn't in the area)  

    It was the worst I've ever seen, and I was quite scared.  There was a group of at least 25, and they were riding in the parkway, on the island/medium/walkway, and in the service lanes (the wrong way at times).  They appear to have been going back and forth.  There were children playing and parents pushing strollers on the medium, and bikes and ATVs were on the medium as well going, conservatively, 40mph.  Police were around, in cars, and did nothing.  The police didn't even attempt to keep them in the street or slow them down.  Most of the bikes didn't appear to have been registered.

    It's very scary when they come by.  What will it take to address this?  Will it take a child to get hurt of even killed while playing in front of his parents for the police to try to curb this behavior, or at least make an effort??!!  

    The police can at least, flash some sirens and move them along.  Why should they be able to get comfortable.  They were going back and forth and hanging out in the area for at least an hour and a half that I saw.  In that time, the police could have arranged something; at a minimum, a police car blocking the medium every block or two to protect those enjoying a warm afternoon; just to keep bikes and ATVs in the street.
  • Is it wrong that I use all the power of positive thinking to hope that one of the guys popping a wheelie with no helmet on in traffic, falls spectacularly - every time I see one of these packs?
  • homeowner said:

    Is it wrong that I use all the power of positive thinking to hope that one of the guys popping a wheelie with no helmet on in traffic, falls spectacularly - every time I see one of these packs?




    Is it wrong to hope that this one individual you reference (one of the many) popping the wheelie falls spectacularly and causes a chain reaction causing the rest to loose control and fall and for them to run over each other in the process or maybe ride straight into a brick wall?
  • Eastern Parkeay and where?
  • Let the bikers loudly enjoy their weekend
  • Eastern Parkeay and where?



    I saw them between Nostrand and Schenectady, but they may have been coming from further.
  • Police are not going to do a cat and mouse chase with these guys.  Illegal vehicles will be confiscated at gas stations or the garages they are kept in.
  • Yup. Neighbors can tell the NYPD where they are stored, or they can be patient and figure it out using their helicopters.

  • southeast said:

    The police can at least, flash some sirens and move them along.  Why should they be able to get comfortable.  They were going back and forth and hanging out in the area for at least an hour and a half that I saw.  In that time, the police could have arranged something; at a minimum, a police car blocking the medium every block or two to protect those enjoying a warm afternoon; just to keep bikes and ATVs in the street.



  • At the mtg I attended, the public was told that even doing such things could cause the bikers to flee, making the police liable for their crashes.

    The police are also in a situation wherein they are out numbered. Rather than appear impotent, they seem to just act as if they see nothing.

    Have a good summer! Philadelphia is far worse.
  • Just park a stupid police car on the medium.  This alone can save lives.  Fine, don't chase, but have a presence.

    It's just a matter of time before an innocent person gets hurt.
  • Innocent people have already been hurt.

    http://bronx.news12.com/news/26-year-old-arrested-for-pedestrian-involved-dirt-bike-crash-caught-on-surveillance-video-1.4901179

    ....the police are acting (not acting) in light of same.
  • Make it illegal for a gas station to serve gas to unlicensed uninsured vehicles
  • What about those that have to fill up generators, lawn mowers, etc.?  And if it just limits them pulling in and filing up directly, they would fill up a jug and fill up somewhere else, and they'd tell everyone it was for their lawnmower.
  • Unlike NJ, our gas attendants rarely leave the inside of the adjacent convenience store.

    One swipes a prepaid debit card, pumps and goes....
  • Caltrops and tear gas.
  • eastbloc said:

    Caltrops and tear gas.



    I thought of caltrops.  Would that be a criminal offence?
  • Not if the cops put them down...
  • I don't know whether there would be a criminal offense if an ordinary citizen used caltrops, but imagine how many innocent individual drivers would sue you if their cars were damaged. For that matter, even the dirt bike riders could sue you (although I imagine many of them would be more inclined to punch, knife or shoot you, or whomever they wrongly assumed had put down the caltrops... And then those persons, or their surviving family members, could sue you).
  • As discussed on this related thread,

    http://www.brooklynian.com/discussion/45392/dirt-bikes-are-back-spring-is-here/p1

    A small group usually owns the dirt bikes and ATVs, and then allows others to ride and party with them for a fee. Some days come complete with after ride BBQs, and rap music performances.

    They sometimes advertise the events so widely that even I (46 year old, geeky guy) come across the ads:

    https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1_pBq3nV8VP1_eI6z1CtK0QcAlb8_5jecvgHYi_pbOpU/formResponse

    How hard would it be for the NYPD to express an interest, and then learn the location where the ride is to begin and end? (IE the storage shed location).

    They could then get a warrant for the location, and confiscate them very uneventfully on a Tuesday morning.
  • So how would one go about reporting a dirt bike that has been terrorizing my street and is kept under a blue tarp in front of a building? If it has a plate I'm guessing the NYPD won't take action right? 

    @southeast you didn't happen to get any video of the riders did you? 
  • If it has a plate, it is likely legal. The owner may use it an obnoxious, illegal and annoying manner but might not participate in Mobs.

    If a mob originates in Crown Heights, we should be able to figure out where they are stored.

    ....my sense is that most (if not all) of them originate further east.
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  • other cities around the world have ways to handle this. Why are we compared to Philly for having the same problem? There has to be soe techniques some police departments have figured out.  the muffler noise tells us all where they are.
  • Same idea. What's that about?
  • Some theories here.

    Is this one of these things where (forgive me here) the police are afraid of cracking down due to cultural sensitivities? For example, if there's been a culture of teens riding dirt bikes around, and it has been going on a while, it might be viewed as one of those things where police need to accept the local culture and so on despite the gentrifiers (lest they be accused of the worst things).

    Another possibility is that the penalties for driving recklessly like that are so minimal that the police don't bother to do it.

    Another possibility is that the police literally don't care and find it's not worth the hassle of tracking down a speeding 15 year old on a dirtbike, given the energy and time involved.

  • As explained above, patrol officers are prohibited from engaging the dirt bikers and ATVs in the vast majority of circumstances.

    So, if you are looking for a larger motivation, you need to go up the ranks.

    The policy predates the current Mayor.

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