The Hello Living building is now as tall as it is going to go, and they will soon close the envelope:
Construction seems to be well under way at Hello Living’s tenth development, 834 Sterling Place, between Nostrand and Rogers in Crown Heights. Developer Eli Karp started building the six-story, 46-unit development at the end of last year, and now all six stories are up. New building permits from the DOB say the building will have 40,585 square feet of residential space, 23 parking spaces behind the building, and 29 bike racks inside.
I'm impressed! It seems most people are staying out of the SBS and since the lane got painted and I swear less people are double parking! Contrast this to Rogers where people are using the sbs lane for on street parking. I suspect that will stop once the buses start rolling.
As a result of there being several SBS routes around the city, the SBS lanes are not as foreign as they once were to drivers.
This familiarity may save them some fines, and create relatively smooth service.
I suspected that to be the underlying cause of the lack of ingressions into the lane. However, I expected them to be used as parking until the very last second. As a result I think traffic is flowing at a better rate on Nostrand inspite of the construction.
Lanes are being painted today....
The space I mentioned earlier in this thread, 722 Nostrand next to Secrets, is looking for a commercial tenant. Photo here is before reno.
Maybe during reno actually.
It may be worthy of its own thread.
....few things are not.
Here it is: http://www.brooklynian.com/forums/topic/722-nostrand-getting-new-ground-floor-tenant?replies=1#post-773714
Details on the Nov 17th SBS launch:
whynot_31 said:The Hello Living building is now as tall as it is going to go, and they will soon close the envelope:Construction seems to be well under way at Hello Living’s tenth development, 834 Sterling Place, between Nostrand and Rogers in Crown Heights. Developer Eli Karp started building the six-story, 46-unit development at the end of last year, and now all six stories are up. New building permits from the DOB say the building will have 40,585 square feet of residential space, 23 parking spaces behind the building, and 29 bike racks inside.
whynot_31 said:The Hello Living building is now as tall as it is going to go, and they will soon close the envelope:
Today, I found a rendering of what it is supposed to look like when complete:
834 Sterling PlaceA new ground-up construction of a 5 story Steel & Concrete on Metal Deck building with 46 luxury unit Condominiums with parking lot located at Crown Heights, Brooklyn.Location: 834 Sterling Place. Brooklyn, NYTotal SQ. FT. 60,305Structure: Steel & Concrete on metal deckYear of Completion: 2014Project Summary: 6-stories 60,000 sq. ft 43 units Condo BuildingCompany name/Owner: HelloHousing
A new ground-up construction of a 5 story Steel & Concrete on Metal Deck building with 46 luxury unit Condominiums with parking lot located at Crown Heights, Brooklyn.
Location: 834 Sterling Place. Brooklyn, NYTotal SQ. FT. 60,305Structure: Steel & Concrete on metal deckYear of Completion: 2014Project Summary: 6-stories 60,000 sq. ft 43 units Condo BuildingCompany name/Owner: HelloHousing
Note, the design may have changed since this rendering was created.
Returning to Nostrand SBS, the DN just published a pretty good article about the rollout:
Are there certain hours that cars are allowed in this painted bus lane after Nov 17? I would assume you're allowed to hop in to make a right hand turn down the street. Sorry, this is the first time I'll actually be interacting with one of these SBS lanes.
I believe cars are barred from traveling in the SBS lane during peak hours (something like 7AM - 10 AM, and 4PM - 7PM).
During these hours, cars are only allowed in the lane to make right turns and this is enforced via cameras mounted on poles as well as on buses.
If this opinion article is to be believed, the DOT had some problems implementing the cameras and tickets enforcement when it recently rolled out on Staten Island:http://www.silive.com/opinion/editorials/index.ssf/2013/10/sbs_ticket_burden_falls_on_the.html
Drove down Nostrand on 11/1 a little after 5pm. Went from EP all the way down to Gerritsen Ave. Most of the limited buses were almost empty and went one right after another. Did nothing but clog up traffic. Mix that in with the regular buses and it took me about 45 minutes to go the six or so miles. Was a terrible experience. Hopefully this will be ironed out in the near future.
The MTA clearly hopes you will choose a different route.
The MTA can't actually say it, but this is basically a process of buses taking over the route.
Car drivers will learn that they are best off avoiding Nostrand and Bedford.
Well, the way to a better drive for the buses as well as the cars is more PEAs. The double parking really bottlenecks Nostrand and those cars have to be gotten rid of.
The cameras mounted on buses and on poles will fine people who double park in the bus lane.
As noted in the Staten Island article above, the DOT is not shy.
Was walking down Nostrand on the way home and saw several buses NOT in the bus lane but in the regular traffic lanes. The bus lane was unobstructed and empty. All of the buses were regular B44s not Limited or SBS buses. Does anyone know if they aren't supposed to use the lane as well? I'm all confused now as to how this is actually supposed to work.
whynot_31 said:The MTA clearly hopes you will choose a different route.
Step 1: Use both lanes.
Step 2: Don't get caught laughing at drivers who write to complain.
Today, I saw DOT putting up the cameras which will catch people in the lane.
Until they get the hang of the new regulations, lots of violations are going to be issued to drivers.
Signs are also around that state when a non-bus can travel in the lane.
Opening day press: http://www.streetsblog.org/2013/11/18/select-bus-service-comes-to-brooklyn/
Do the blue squares on this map represent the express bus stops? Any idea how long it would take to get from, say, the St. Johns stop to the Lee/Taylor stop?
Yes, those are the stations where one pre-pays before boarding the bus.
Re: Time. The answer depends on how successful they are at ridding the route and lane of nonbuses.
Seems to me the buses are flowing pretty smoothly on Nostrand and Rogers. I've only seen three instances of cars double parked in the bus lane. Two were gypsy/livery cabs and one was a FedEx delivery truck. Those cameras mounted on the front are taking photos so tickets can be mailed right?
Part of the problem is cars double parking on the other side of Nostrand Ave from the bus lane. In several areas, those lanes are reserved for car through traffic during peak hours and people are not obliging. This is causing back ups and car traffic is narrowed down to one lane to get around the offenders.
The problem is that the buses will not capture these offenders. I wonder if there are street mounted cameras for this?
there are guns for that!
My favorite "screwing up SBS" story thus far:
A couple of days ago, I was coming home from work around 7pm. I had just crossed Eastern Parkway and was just passing the bank when from behind me I hear tires screeching and lots of horn honking. I turn around and a car has made a LEFT off EP onto Nostrand headed the wrong way. It drove through the intersection of the service lane without stopping and headed down towards Lincoln. Fortunately, that block of Nostrand was completely empty as all the traffic was stopped at the light at Lincoln. The driver drove almost to the next intersection where he made a leisurely U-turn then pulled over to the curb into one of the two driving lanes. He stopped there while he and the girl in the car consulted both their phones and GPS for directions. Fortunately, drivers that had seen this madness opted to simply drive around them rather that drive up behind them and honk. Somehow, I don't think the camera on the bus that was stopped at the light picked this up either as the driver avoided the SBS lane!
That driver seems to have problems distinct from SBS.
Another confusing part is that they haven't yet repaved the stretch of Nostrand that runs from Lafyette to Atlantic, so cars are still allowed to be in the the not-yet Brown lane on this stretch, and the service is not yet "quick".
Seems like DOT didn't get their part done in time.
I'm of the belief that a good deal of the slowness of that particular line was the horrible condition of Nostrand from Lee to Fulton. DOT hadn't repaved that stretch in over twenty years and it was rutted, pockmarked, and full of all kinds of bumps, twists, and obstacles to maneuver around. I think simply repaving that will take 10-12 minutes off of any trip.
Yes, the poor condition of the road certainly slowed the Limited B44.
In a few months, the road will be nicely paved, and riders will be fully acclimated to fewer stops, paying before they board, and boarding via all the doors.
Then, the MTA will proudly proclaim that SBS is much faster than the previous Limited.
[It will be just like when the Board of Ed compared the performance of the "teachers" at PS 9 (located on Underhill) in 2003 to the teachers in 2013; The DOE pointed to huge success, without listing factors that lay behind it.]
And, I will just smile and think to myself "that would have been hard to mess up".
Our neighbors at the other end of the line have weighed in with their view of SBS B44 service and the impact of the changes,
Those who would like the SBS to have as many stops as the Limited, yet be as quick, are my personal favorite.
"You don't have to keep all of the stops the Limited had, just mine"
At the end of the three article arc, the author comes up with his conclusion about the SBS B44
ConclusionYou are probably thinking, “Why has Allan chosen to print only the bad reviews and none of the good ones?” The reason is that there weren’t any good ones to find, other than from the bus driver who believes all the problems will be worked out in the end. Yes, some problems will be worked out, but not all. Some will like SBS and others will hate it. The MTA will declare it a huge success with some initial growing pains. The MTA will never do a fair analysis. They will continue to brag how much quicker the SBS is, ignoring extra walk times and riders who are forced to use SBS against their will, because of poor, unreliable and overcrowded locals with 25- to 40-minute waits becoming the norm.
You are probably thinking, “Why has Allan chosen to print only the bad reviews and none of the good ones?” The reason is that there weren’t any good ones to find, other than from the bus driver who believes all the problems will be worked out in the end. Yes, some problems will be worked out, but not all. Some will like SBS and others will hate it. The MTA will declare it a huge success with some initial growing pains. The MTA will never do a fair analysis. They will continue to brag how much quicker the SBS is, ignoring extra walk times and riders who are forced to use SBS against their will, because of poor, unreliable and overcrowded locals with 25- to 40-minute waits becoming the norm.
I think Allan and I could get along.
He seems to believe that his definition of "neighborhood" is important, while the MTA seems to believe that getting his neighborhood quickly to the subway (aka Manhattan) is important.
...this distinction is crucial to understanding why SBS now exists, and wasn't about pleasing those writing to him.
He seems to understand that; he just doesn't like it.
I think is yet another example of the MTA not having any relationship with the community or ridership. Many of the people using the bus are local inter-borough users such as school children who don't need to get on trains. So its far more important that intersections near schools or major bus routes are included on SBS instead of train connections. Folks at the MTA need to ride the bus before they start making changes. Allen quotes one person who hypothesized that the service was poorly thought out but the MTA opted to move forward anyway to get the associated federal funding for the project.
Developers are often accused of the same thing, and respond that they are building "as of right".
This means that they do not have to involve the public and community boards in approving their plans; they only need to comply with established laws and regulations.
The smart ones involve the public as little as possible, because they are not the primary constituents.
The MTA is wise to act in a similar manner.
In addition to being driven by federal funding, this project also expands the area which one can reach Manhattan in less than 50 min, and is thus driven by potential tax revenue.
Remember, no one gets a raise by keeping things the same. You get a "raise" by being the teacher or principal at P.S. 9 who "turns it around".
This isn't about the current children riders.
Now that SBS has been up and running for a few weeks, the MTA is ready to start issuing $100 fines to people who try to claim that they thought the new bus service was "free" because there was no place to insert their metrocard near the front of the bus and/or they could board via any door.
I noticed this week that they also changed the recorded announcement on the 4 train to add "Transfer here for Select Bus Service" when it stops at Nostrand.
The G train doesn't haven't recorded announcements, but I was able to find and follow the "this way to SBS" signs at the Bedford Nostrand stop quite easily.
I have been on a couple of Manhattan SBS buses where security personnel boarded and checked everyone's bus receipts, as proof that they paid. They were quite no-nonsense and treat it very seriously. Pretty awkward for people digging around in their pockets (pretending?) to look for a scrap of people.
It's been a while since I was on a bus and some people in uniform came on board asking to see everybody's papers :-)
I do hope someone publishes an article on how much in fines has been collected from skofflaw passengers and cars.
Sonja of DNAinfo-This is a request. Thanks.
I don't think much has been collected from drivers. When I walk home at night I often see cars parked or stopped in the curbside lane between 6 & 7pm, especially in front of the supermarkets. I never see cops coming through to move people along, and drivers have already figured out that so long as there isn't a bus in sight, the bus lane is open game since the cameras are on the buses and not mounted street side.
But I fully expect to see a story in a couple of weeks about ten people pulling some guy off of an empty SBS for not having paid his $2.50.
I suspect lane enforcement will increase once the section near Fulton is paved and painted.
Another good summary from our friends at Sheepshead Bites:
You can read the Daily News for MTA propaganda, which calls the SBS “magic buses” and only shows the benefits of SBS, or you can learn the real story on Sheepshead Bites. Mr. Orosz’s comment “that bus riders can spend as much as 25 percent of their ride time waiting for passengers to get on and off the bus” is really disingenuous, since it implies a much greater time savings than actually will occur. (They are predicting a 20 percent travel time-savings.) Buses will still have to stop for passengers to get on and off, and will still have to deal with traffic and traffic signals. The wait for a bus will not disappear, and in some cases will increase, as will the walking distance to and from the bus. The maximum projected time-savings would be 15 minutes if SBS buses traveled the entire length of the route, which we now learn they will not do. Williamsburg SBS buses will terminate at Avenue U and Flushing Avenue buses will go to Knapp Street. The average savings for the typical passenger is only six minutes, which may or may not include the extra walking distance to SBS stops.You cannot trust an agency, which reveals only benefits, does not reply to community concerns, and delays publishing schedules until the very last minute. This prevents riders from seeing the true effects of the changes beforehand.
You cannot trust an agency, which reveals only benefits, does not reply to community concerns, and delays publishing schedules until the very last minute. This prevents riders from seeing the true effects of the changes beforehand.
By its very nature, a large change such as SBS causes winners and losers.
Losers include riders of the former B44 Limited who used to have a stop near them, and now spend more time walking to the new stop than they save getting on and riding the bus. Riders who "win" include those whose origination and destination is proximate to SBS stops.
As mentioned "up thread", businesses along the routes will also be winners and losers. By choosing a location that is beside on of the new stops, Lula Bagel (Nostrand and Lincoln) clearly is winning. I suspect that this is not happenstance, and that the owner chose his location as a result of understanding the impact of then-soon-to-be-launched service.
Nostrand Ave Laundromat (Nostrand between Park and Sterling) has had some wood up covering the storefront. Looks like they're going through some renovations. Island Bubbles (on Rogers) did this over the summer and made the place look really nice. Since they've renovated I've been going to Island Bubbles over Nostrand Ave Laundromat...
The MTA fare enforcement team was at St. Johns and Nostrand today. They are the people with the reflective lettering on their jackets.
Remember to save your receipt!
New York City Council Member Jumaane D. Williams (D-Brooklyn), Deputy Leader, was joined by fellow elected officials to greet commuters and alert them that the Metropolitan Transportation Authority ("MTA") will install a new Select Bus Service (SBS) stop at Avenue L and Nostrand Avenue in both directions. This change comes in response to numerous complaints by residents of the Midwood, East Flatbush and Flatbush communities that when the MTA implemented SBS on the B44 Line in late November, it increased commuter times for those who utilized the service at this critical stop
"(Sidenote: The parking situation on this stretch of Nostrand and Rogers is literally a free-for-all. No meters, double-parking everywhere, drivers bypassing the stopped vehicles by violating the bus lane. To make SBS work as well as it should here, there needs to be a price on the curb.)"
Helping pedestrians and bikers is a secondary goal. The primary goal is making it very painful to drive a privately owned car in NYC.The advocates are achieving their goal.
All mass transit in this city is subsidized. The amount of the subsidy differs from mode to mode, but there is not ONE mode of public transportation where the user pays 100% of the cost of their usage.The bikers have done a good job of pointing this out with respect to personal vehicles, but have failed to address the question as to what happens when enough drivers are dis-incentivized that roads no longer have an adequate revenue stream to pay for operations and maintenance. They have also been surprisingly quiet about how Subsidies (% of operating expense subsidized):MTA: 44.5% (subway and bus)Metro North: 63.8%LIRR: 73.4%PATH: 59%NJ Transit: 44% (rail and bus)Access-A-Ride: 96%Bikes: Its unclear what the subsidy is on Citibike on a per bike basis, but its not making money, which means its "farebox" (fare collections) aren't covering its operating expenses even when you account for the roughly $50 million in subidy it gets in the form of advertising fees. Bottom line is that if everyone were to pay actual cost for transportation, all transportation expenses would increase to the point of being unaffordable.
This afternoon, I rode from Home Depot (Nostrand/DeKalb) down to Nostrand/Atlantic. In addition to the sewer project, which seems nowhere near completion since there are numerous big, concrete conduits sitting on the streets, many if not most of the blocks were partially dug up and there was no evidence of any roadbed work having been completed, much less started, anywhere along that route. If the SBS is running quickly north of Atlantic Avenue, it must be sometime during the middle of the night on Sunday.