Will 810 Washington ever become anything?

  • notsayin said:

    A reliable source tells me a local merchant is looking at 810 Washington (the big grey storefront on the corner of St Johns shown above) for a new Venezuelan restaurant.

    Interior shown below...



  • Because this space is being built from scratch, I will estimate August 2013 opening.

    Note: This is pure speculation

    BTW, here is info from the realtor (CPEX) about this space; They asked $10k a month

    http://www.cpexre.com/system/assets/properties/documents/327/original/810_Washington_Avenue_-_Setup.pdf?1363036922


  • "If the bourgeoisie win, they are going to privatise health and education, they are going to take land from the Indians, the curse of Maracapana would come on you,"

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-22056610


  • I hope that they built a contingency into that rent, i.e. if they are successful in obtaining a full liquor license, it's 10K otherwise substantially less. The Community Board is not looking favorably on new liquor license applications for Washington Ave, so it should not be assumed that a full license, or even a beer and wine license, will be issued. That said, it will make add to the variety of offerings in the neighborhood, one does so tire of Caribbean and salty Chinese.


  • If I were the potential proprietor, I would make sure that I had my liquor license in hand before I put any money into the property.

    The owners of the Sunshine Co. almost got burned by investing huge amounts of money BEFORE their alc permit was granted.

    ...in that instance, the alcohol permit was granted despite the advice of the CB.


  • 810 Washington in approximately 2003



  • Finally something there


  • I wouldn't celebrate yet.

    ...wait until they get their liquor permit, sign the lease and start construction.

    Lots of things could go wrong between now and then.


  • whynot_31 said:

    I wouldn't celebrate yet.

    ...wait until they get their liquor permit, sign the lease and start construction.

    Lots of things could go wrong between now and then.


    When I'm sitting at a table eating. Then I'll believe it.


  • whynot_31 said:

    If I were the potential proprietor, I would make sure that I had my liquor license in hand before I put any money into the property.

    The owners of the Sunshine Co. almost got burned by investing huge amounts of money BEFORE their alc permit was granted.

    ...in that instance, the alcohol permit was granted despite the advice of the CB.


    That's not the case. The Community Board asked the State Liquor Authority to make a determination as to whether Sunshine was subject to the SLA's 200 foot rule, which prohibits a full liquor license within 200 feet of a building that operates primarily as a house of worship. There is a church catty-corner to Sunshine, but as the SLA determined it is part of a complex of three storefronts within one building lot, the 200 foot rule did not apply.

    The 200 foot rule is not discretionary on the part of the CB or the SLA.


  • This contradicts what I heard elsewhere, but I will admit to not being an expert on the SLA rules.

    ...I don't know whether to be happy or sad that such things are not discretionary.

    Returning to 810 Washington, as of today (May 21, 2013) it remains an active listing on CPEX's website. Does this mean they don't have a signed lease yet, or simply that they have not taken the listing down?

    http://www.cpexre.com/assignments?location=1&product_type=8

    ...an even harder question to answer than SLA ones.


  • My source was pretty confident of this, but agreed - no obvious activity at the site so far. Deal may have fallen through, or just not complete yet.

    In my haste to break the news, I may have jumped the gun...CNN-style.


  • Unlike CNN, we don't claim to be journalism.

    I do hope this site becomes something soon.


  • July 15, 2013:

    No construction is apparent at this site, and the site is still listed on the real estate website.

    ....the landlord may need to lower their price to get this property to move


  • Saw construction happening at this vacant retail site a couple of days ago. Anyone know what is coming to this space?


  • While it is possible that it is still on the CPEX site simply because they have not taken it down, it may be premature to assume that seeing some construction indicates a tenant has been found.

    For example, the LL may be doing some basic construction to make the site "less scary" to potential tenants.


  • I asked the contractors what was going on and they didn't know anything. Seems like if it was being renovated for a restaurant, they would know something more. Also, they dumped a bunch of primer pain on the sidewalk and down the drain. Not cool.


  • Aug 19, 2013: Still listed as being available on the CPEX website.

    Folks, I don't think we are getting a Venezuelan restaurant at this site anytime soon, if ever.


  • whynot_31 said:

    Because this space is being built from scratch, I will estimate August 2013 opening.

    Note: This is pure speculation

    BTW, here is info from the realtor (CPEX) about this space; They asked $10k a month

    http://www.cpexre.com/system/assets/properties/documents/327/original/810_Washington_Avenue_-_Setup.pdf?1363036922




    Price drop!     Now available for $8500 a month.
  • $8,500 still seems insane, but it's less than $10,000.  Good luck to anyone who moves in!
  • As of about 2 weeks ago, it was advertised again at its former price of $10k


    Because the market is so crazy that if you couldn't find a tenant for $8500 a month back in March, you can rent if for $10k now?

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  • Anyone else notice the windows exposed now? Is there something in the works?
  • Good spotting! There is also now a plywood fence. They might be installing new, non-bullet resistant, floor to ceiling windows to make the space less intimidating to potential tenants.

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  • There was definitely work going on inside this space this afternoon.
  • Those plexiglass windows were last exposed when a pack of Marlboros was $6.50 in NYC. I don't smoke, but I think they cost about $11 a pack now.
  • Demolition of the first floor facade wall underway, in preparation for modern era. Guy at work, top right.

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  • I asked the gentleman who seemed to be supervising the work what was going on. He said it was going to be an "organic cafe."
  • Yes! That's constructionworker-ese for a new delicious brooklyn restaurant!  
  • Do we think it will have the hallmarks?

    Edison lightbulbs?
    Tables made from repurposed wood?
    Craft beer?
    brunch?

  • Word on the street from another member of my coop is that this will be an organic deli/grocer by the same owners of something similar in Greenpoint. 

    I looked it up and maybe it's The Garden? 
  • Thanks maxwellimus!

    Sounds like we are going to get another place to buy Carrs crackers!

    http://www.carrscrackers.com/Products.aspx
  • I'm for it!

    Franklin has these airy, cute upscale mini markets.  Even Bedford has at least one.  But all the supposedly 'yuppified' Vanderbilt has is everyone's last resort, Met Foods.  So great.  If I can walk one avenue over for a more organic selection of macaroni and cheese then I currently have access to, i say small victory. 

    I think they nailed the location and are going to be very successful.
  • Don't forget St. John's Marketplace on Underhill at St. Johns.

    ...formerly known as Disassociated.


    http://www.brooklynian.com/discussion/17544/the-former-associated-ass_c_a_ed-on-underhill/p1
  • Ha, yep.  I somehow have never been there though.  Being on the northern end of vanderbilt (in PH), st.johns may be just a bit to far to travel just to spite Met.

    edit:  Just mapped it.  I thought this spot was up near dean, whoops.  I guess I'm stuck with my friendly bodega for the time being.
  • The United market at Washington and Lincoln was taking gradual steps toward becoming upscale, because it lacked the capital to do it all at once.

    http://www.brooklynian.com/discussion/34198/united-deli-washington-ep/p1

    If the new propietors of 810 Washington have an existing upscale location, (as stated above) they may have the expertise and capital necessary to effectively put United out of business.

    Once 810 opens, United will not be able to go up or down market.

    Kareem's (located on the NE corner of St. Johns and Washington) seems to effective meet the local demand for those seeking mainly lottery tickets and cheap beer.
  • Personally, I wish Kareem's & United would both fade away...those
    two spots disappearing would go a long way toward eliminating the fairly constant
    loitering, littering, dealing, and the uncomfortable commentary
    many women receive from their patrons...
  • Those stores disappearing might have that effect, but I want you to be aware of why that stretch of Washington has so many idle, middle age, poor men.

    The answer is that they reside in 781 Washington, and in apartments above the 828 Washington storefront. And, that many receive said housing as a result of long standing substance abuse and psychiatric diagnoses.

    http://www.brooklynian.com/discussion/38068/video-store-on-washington-ave/p1

    http://www.iclinc.net/search-results/washington-avenue-mica-supported-housing/

    If Kareem's and United were to disappear, the clients would likely hang out not very far away.....
  • As if on cue, the landlord of 781 has apparently expressed an intention to withdrawal from the program: http://nypost.com/2014/09/09/landlord-trying-to-swap-renters-for-rich-white-tenants-suit/
  • whynot_31 said:


    It seems kind of racist to assume only white people would be able to pay market rate were Section 8 tenants removed.
  • If we use the word "only" it is racist, but if we use the words "the building will go from predominantly poor black to predominantly non poor, non black", we describe what is about to happen to that building (and likely the surrounding block) with politically correct language, and statistical accuracy.

    BTW, the impact of this change is big enough that it has received its own thread and been awarded a spot on my Big 16 list:

    Own thread: http://www.brooklynian.com/discussion/44907/781-washington-goes-market-rate#Item_1

    Big 16: http://www.brooklynian.com/discussion/44634/links-to-the-big-16-developments-in-western-crown-heights/p1
  • 810 Washington remains available for lease:

    http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/17519931/810-Washington-Avenue-Brooklyn-NY/

    This makes me believe that the renovations are being done in the hopes of attracting a future tenant, not in preparation for a specific tenant.

    Perhaps the Greenpoint deli and the owner are still in the flirtation stage.

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