New upscale market at 98 Montgomery, aka 941 Washington Ave?
  • @mugofmead especially.

    Street view: http://goo.gl/maps/nu5wR

    This corner store recently closed, and is in close proximity to not only the BBG and Tivoli Towers, but also the soon-to-be construction site that was Sea Crest Laundry.

    Lots of foot traffic. No houses of worship nearby, so it could become a bar/restaurant if the landlord was ok with that.

    There is a banner annoucing it is for rent, but I can't find a link at the moment. The adjacent storefronts might be part of the deal.

    98 Montgomery, 941 Washington

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  • This place has been on and off the market for the last 5 years.  There is really no other commercial store fronts in a two block radius, which I guess has only been viewed as a negative from anyone looking to setup shop.   The other store front (on the left in the pic) was rented to an artist a few years ago.   
  • It's potential is certainly far larger in the future than it is now.

    I expect the folks who "refill" Tivoli, and those who move into the former Sea Crest site to be fans of BBG.

    Not sure what I would do with it until then, but bodegas don't appear to be surviving there.
  • I can imagine a nice cafe that appealed to visitors to the garden and the Lefrak Center in Prospect Park, which isn't far. There aren't many other nice places in the immediate area to get something to eat before or after a visit to either park. 
  • I was wondering about that deli that is now closed. It seems to me that in theory, it must be a good place for a bodega since there is not much around in that area, and there must be tons of tenants in those buildings.

    I agree that a cafe would be great. Imagine a sweet little Parisian cafe with outdoor seating (Little Zelda, I'm looking at you). There is the cafe inside the BBG but then of course you'll have to enter the garden, and it's a little pricey. Other than that, no, I don't think there is much around.
  • I think a somewhat upscale pizza place could do really well. Something along the lines of Roscoe's (on Franklin) or Amorina (on Vanderbilt) would be affordable enough to attract some of the area's multitude of high school students, while simultaneously not competing with the BBG cafe or the fast food strip that Empire represents.

    It would be at the level that it served beer and wine. Kid friendly, like Amorina. Table service for dinner. No Formica. The area lacks casual dining. 

     For dinner, one could get spaghetti or lasagna.
  • That bodega finally closed?! 

    That would be the only commercial space realistically on Washington Avenue for blocks (either south towards Empire or north towards Eastern Parkway). Is there enough of a market to support whatever ends up there?

    If it were some sort of casual dining spot, would it stay open later in the evening (say past 7 or 8 pm)? If it had extended hours on First Saturdays, they may be able to capture some of the First Saturday crowd from the Brooklyn Museum. 
  • Alternatively, I could picture a "nice" grocery store where you could buy everyday basics (replacing the bodega for the locals) as well as more gourmet items like cheeses, nice crackers, meats, etc., for picnics at the BBG and Prospect Park. Come to think of it, there would probably be a market for pre-packed picnic baskets with a selection of snacks and drinks with paper goods. 
  • Speaking of Brooklyn Botanic Garden and picnics, last night was the member's picnic and movie night.  They showed Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.  If you live nearby the membership is totally worth it.  For $50 for an individual, $85 for family dual (two adults plus kids), you get free admission, some free guest passes, reciprocal admission at other botanic gardens, parking passes, discounts at their store, an annual gardening handbook, plus admission for all member's events including extended members hours (on Wednesdays) during the summer, members picnic/movie/cocktail nights, etc.  And if you go up to Family Dual Plus you get to bring someone for free every time you go.  Basically, if you go a few times a year you get your money's worth out of a membership.  Plus, kind of like buying a monthly metrocard instead of paying per ride, a membership incentivizes you to go there more frequently.  It really is an amazing place.  Walking the block from Franklin to the garden, it's like being transported to a completely different world.  I like it think of it as my backyard.  It's a beautiful place, and one of the more peaceful respites you can find in the city.  And I swear no one is paying me to say all this (they're always free to though ;-) ). 
  • dl said:

    Alternatively, I could picture a "nice" grocery store where you could buy everyday basics (replacing the bodega for the locals) as well as more gourmet items like cheeses, nice crackers, meats, etc., for picnics at the BBG and Prospect Park. Come to think of it, there would probably be a market for pre-packed picnic baskets with a selection of snacks and drinks with paper goods. 



    Yes the main grocery stores that serve the area seem to be the Associated at Franklin and Crown, and Western Beef on Empire.

    My sense is that many of the buildings that exist in the triangle formed by Carroll St, the shuttle tracks and Washington are now market.

    If it sold nice sandwiches, such a place could not only serve the residents of this triangle, but also the employees of the Museum and the BBG. They would no longer have to cross EP for lunch at Lincoln Station, where I regularly see them.

    http://goo.gl/maps/x20gD



  • mcpoet said:

    Speaking of Brooklyn Botanic Garden and picnics, last night was the member's picnic and movie night.  They showed Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.  If you live nearby the membership is totally worth it.  For $50 for an individual, $85 for family dual (two adults plus kids), you get free admission, some free guest passes, reciprocal admission at other botanic gardens, parking passes, discounts at their store, an annual gardening handbook, plus admission for all member's events including extended members hours (on Wednesdays) during the summer, members picnic/movie/cocktail nights, etc.  And if you go up to Family Dual Plus you get to bring someone for free every time you go.  Basically, if you go a few times a year you get your money's worth out of a membership.  Plus, kind of like buying a monthly metrocard instead of paying per ride, a membership incentivizes you to go there more frequently.  It really is an amazing place.  Walking the block from Franklin to the garden, it's like being transported to a completely different world.  I like it think of it as my backyard.  It's a beautiful place, and one of the more peaceful respites you can find in the city.  And I swear no one is paying me to say all this (they're always free to though ;-) ). 



    Sale items are excluded from the membership discount.

    Having membership allows you to get into the plant sale a day before it opens to the public. By the time the public is able to get in, much of the selection has been depleted. 

    I like take a walk through the Garden on GP; it's like the scenic way of going up the hill. I used to do that all the time when I was kid before BBG started to charge an admissions fee

    Maybe something like Wholesome Gourmet can move in. 
  • What if something complimentary to the garden moved in?

    ....like a flower or plant shop.

    Would an upscale outpost of Natty Garden survive there?

    http://www.nattygarden.com/
  • A plant shop would be in direct competition with BBG's gift shop. Unless the price points are lower (which they probably wouldn't be), I don't see how it would make sense.
  • It would be different than the gift shop; More of a focus on flowers and upscale plant gadgets.

    Self watering gadgets, fancy pots, seeds, etc.

    People who read things like this magazine could make impulse buys after visiting the garden: http://www.hortmag.com/

    The purchases would be for themselves, not gifts.
  • The BBG gift shop does sell seeds and some fancy plant gadgets (although selection of the latter changes).

    I would like if a potential plant/flower shop were to focus on the urban gardener who wants to grow something fabulous but is limited to growing something compact by space constraints. :) 
  • Not sure why it would be another grocery store. The Associated on Franklin has great products, plus organic. If you want it, talk to the owner, and he'll work to get it. It's better than Bob and Betty's. Cheaper too.
  • I think @dl and I are imagining something like Lincoln Station or Brooklyn Larder.

    ...of the above ideas, I still like my upscale pizza idea the best. If done right, it might be out of reach of the nearby high schools students but not their teachers and adminstrators.

    A little oasis for them.
  • whynot_31 said:

    I think @dl and I are imagining something like Lincoln Station or Brooklyn Larder.

    ...of the above ideas, I still like my upscale pizza idea the best. If done right, it might be out of reach of the nearby high schools students but not their teachers and adminstrators.

    A little oasis for them.



    Sure...if they 1. sell by the slice and 2. deliver. 
  • I'm thinking the school employees would go there right after school gets out.

    ...the museum, Medgar Evers and BBG employees would go there during the more traditional lunch hours. Long term, salaried admin and facilities workers, I am looking at you.
  • I would also like to see a nice deli there. It wouldn't need to be Brooklyn Larder, but a small place with good selections that could complement Associated. I always liked Associated, but when you are at that block on Washington, somehow other options feel like they are too far away. It would be great to have the possibility of picking up items on the way to Prospect Park.

  • The place closed because after decades of being there, the owner wanted three times the rent. The tennants agreed to almost double, but that still wasn't enough. Despite its lackluster apperance, It was a fantastic and friendly bodega that will be missed. 

    Despite the for rent sign still being up, they had a renter mid August. I don't remember what the guys said would be there. But the owner also owns the abandoned space next door. I believe he rented the whole thing out. 
  • That is good news.   I hope he has a great plan for the spaces.
  • The place is dingy but I agree the guys who work there are very nice. Personally, I'd want another bodega/deli. Just needs a bit of a remodel or clean out.
  • Hopefully the folks that @femiredwood mentions have lots capital to invest.    I can't imagine that a similar use will be able to pay the increased rent described.
  • The guys that were there offered to make it prettier and make a few food changes to fit the changing neighborhood but alas....

    I wish I could remember how much they said they rented it for...two very different numbers stick out in my head...either $3,000/month or $10,000, lol. I don't know much about business leases so I'm not sure if either of those are likely numbers. 
  •  organic market
  • Correct ! Banner now declares same

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  • This place was completely gutted, and new display cases are now being installed.

    When complete, it might offer the ability to eat in. It is a good size space.
  • The signs says Wholesome Foods Market. I wonder if it's the same people that run the one down by Lincoln Rd. With the new B&B at Franklin and Union coming soon, that'll be two new, similar shops in close proximity.

    I hope the Associated on Franklin b/w Carroll and Crown survives the competition.
  • I suspect both B&B and Wholesome market will be embraced by the coop owners that now live in the triangle formed by the shuttle tracks, Washington and Union.

    ...as well as the future residents of Tivoli and Sea Crest Laundry

    http://www.brooklynian.com/discussion/44634/links-to-the-big-16-developments-in-western-crown-heights/p1
  • I was thinking the same about the Associated. Perhaps there will be two distinct clientele bases that go to the B&B on Union, and one for the Associated. I will support the Associated. They've been there since at least the '70s, and family owned.
  • I would do the main, basic shopping at Associated. Then get the more fancy stuff, food on the go, and beer (Associated don't sell beer) from B&B or Wholesome. I would go to the P&B/B&B for coffee and bagels.
  • The family that run Associated are nice and helpful. Their employees seem happy and well treated. It's not unusual to see them joking around with the cashiers, the Hispanic guy that packs the shelves is always super cheerful and says hello, and once the owners were giving cashiers some homemade middle eastern food to try and they offered some to me. They also hire a diverse staff, while many businesses prefer to hire among their group.

    In terms of products, they've been gradually introducing new items that cater to the changing demographics, while not jacking up the prices. They offer good sales, too.

    I'd go to B&B or Wholesome for specialty items not found at Associated. I hope the prices are reasonable. I've been disappointed by the prices of several new establishments in the area, like Mountain.
  • I also like the owner of the Associated. The cashiers and stockers are friendly, and aren't clannish to folks, be they old timers or new comers. AND the prices are in general lower than any other store around. I've have asked the owner personally for items and he remembers to order them.
  • I think that once Tivoli is repopulated and Sea Crest is built, Associated will not have much to worry about from the increasing number of gourmet markets in the area.

    While the smaller markets will be able to provide more convenience for similar goods, they will not be able to compete with Associated on price. Hence, Associated will continue get the customers making larger shopping trips.

    Those unable to afford the name brands carried by Associated will continue to go to Western Beef.

    ...until Western Beef inevitably cashes in its incredibly valuable land.
  • I agree that Associated has done a good job of evolving through the years (though some of the people who work there haven't exactly been friendly to me over the years, not gonna hold that against the owners though).  That store looks very different now than it did a decade ago.  It's been my go to grocery store for years, though my newfound love for Freshdirect will limit how frequently I shop at any of these stores.  I live on the block with the new Bob & Betty's, so that will likely become my drop-in spot if I need anything on my way home from work, including beer.  Associated is for basic essentials between Freshdirect deliveries.  I might hit up the spot on Washington when visiting the Botanic Garden, but that's about it for me.  The faster those other nearby developments are up and running the better the chances of this place surviving and carving out a niche with local shoppers.
  • Esperanza said:

    I was thinking the same about the Associated. Perhaps there will be two distinct clientele bases that go to the B&B on Union, and one for the Associated. I will support the Associated. They've been there since at least the '70s, and family owned.



    Yes.

    In the 80s though it was a Key Food. 


  • Signage up:

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  • I passed by the store when it was dark. The sign has strobing, multi-colored lights, think a la Vegas strip. If I was epileptic, I'd be seizing. Hope the neighbors have black out curtains.
  • I'll be interested in see what hours this establishment has. 
  • I believe the prior store was open 24 hours, but suspect this one will be closed from something like midnight to 6 AM.

    It also appears as if the new store will not sell tobacco or lottery tickets.
  • The prior store (at least in recent years) wasn't 24 hours and I even remember thinking their hours were shorter than most bodegas. 

    I walked by tonight and the shelves are stocked so I expect this place will open soon.
  • If they play their cards right, they will sell something like sandwiches to the construction workers who build the 209 unit complex that will replace Sea Crest, and then prepared foods to those who live in it once it is complete.

    http://www.brooklynian.com/discussion/39234/the-sea-crest-linen-site-46-crown-st-#Item_10&nbsp
  • I think they opened today...
  • Someone should go in to take pictures and give us a full report.    I'm out of town this weekend.
  • I walked past it, looks nicely laid out inside. The store was empty of customers when I passed by.
  • Can one eat in? Are there stools/seats?

    Do they have a lot of prepared foods, like Wholesome on Flatbush?
  • Not sure if there is seating. The place reminds me a lot of the small store on St. Johns, just bigger.
  • I stopped in the store today. It seems like a really fancy bodega. Like Wholesome Gourmet, it sells conventional products alongside the organic/natural brands.

    You can tell that the space was gut-renovated. The floors have been stripped down to the concrete.

    I didn't see any space for seating. This place does allow you to order a sandwich or salad.

    The store isn't ready to accept EBT of SNAP yet, nor is it selling lotto tickets yet.


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