Hasid Dormitory Arrest — Brooklynian

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  • edited October 2015
    Commenter #9 gets to the root of how I perceive the issue:

    quote:
    "Yeshiva TT should either sell the building or convert it to housing and allow families to occupy. Most of the bocherim who dorm in the building are either over 25 and have no interest in moving on with life or work for a living. The yeshiva can use the funds to cover years of back payroll."

    A few years ago, I was informed that the building originally started off as a sort of a "free youth hostile" for young men who were considering becoming Rabbis. However, as time went on, it became clear that the owners were not managing the building. No leases were issued. No rent was collected. The building has fallen into a state of disrepair. No one mediates disputes or implements basic rules concerning intoxicants and noise.

    As a result, I began to view the building as one which housed squatters, as opposed to students.

    This incident seems to add to that impression.
    ep
  • I've seen numerous of these 'dormitories' in the neighborhood.  Many in basements of buildings.

  • I suspect FDNY and DOB is a little cautious about shutting them down, and that the members of local community are unlikely to involve such city authorities.

    ...so they proliferate.

  • I knew someone who lived in one of those dorms about two years ago. Was from Italy. His parents paid his rent and tuition while he was studying to be a rabbi but the thing is Chabad rabbis are not anything like a rabbi in a regular temple. They're not educated enough so they're only qualified to be Chabad rabbis. Anyhow, they gave him a bed and his meals and he's back in Milan now.
  • Unlike a university, it isn't clear to me that there is a time limit on how long you have to complete your studies.

    In this instance, the certificate-granting-authority (school) is not running the dorm.

    And, it does not appear that one has to maintain matriculation in order to continue to take classes and live in the dorm.

    Every time I read The Lord of the Flies, I don't like how it ends.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_the_Flies
  • From what he told me, the person giving each course sets a deadline so if they don't pass the test they have to take the whole course over and yes God only knows how long this takes to complete the whole syllabus (whatever that is). The certificate they get is basically useless if they were to apply for a job as a rabbi in a synagogue whether it be Reform, Conservative or Orthodox.
  • edited October 2015
    I doubt many of the Chabad rabbinical students want to work in a reform, conservative or Orthodox synagogue.

    The beliefs of the Chabad Lubavitch are distinct and intense, and I can't imagine giving up such deeply held beliefs for a paycheck.

    BTW, despite dealing with a similar subject matter, the movie the Lost Boys is much better than Lord of The Flies.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lost_Boys
  • Everyone needs a paycheck, even if it comes from donations. They have to eat too. The thing is, they're in competition with synagogues and trust me, they do everything they can to get people to join them instead of a regular temple. But in many cases those that do realize that they made the wrong decision and come back, especially when it comes time for their kids to be Bar or Bat Mitzvah. We get the returnees in our temple and when the kids come in they know nothing and they need an incredible amount of tutoring to catch up.
  • edited October 2015
    This is all sounding sort of akin to convincing a young man to get a certificate in Mixology, so he can run his own bar.

    http://www.mixologyclassesus.com/
  • this is crazy.
  • Everyone needs a paycheck, even if it comes from donations. They have to eat too. The thing is, they're in competition with synagogues and trust me, they do everything they can to get people to join them instead of a regular temple. But in many cases those that do realize that they made the wrong decision and come back, especially when it comes time for their kids to be Bar or Bat Mitzvah. We get the returnees in our temple and when the kids come in they know nothing and they need an incredible amount of tutoring to catch up.
    Are you basically saying that some of these families that leave their temples to join Chabad, eventually return to those temples and their kids can't read Hebrew? The Chabad schools do a great job teaching kids to read Hebrew so what is it that the kids don't know if they come to a Reform temple for a Bar Mitzvah? 
  • I doubt many of the Chabad rabbinical students want to work in a reform, conservative or Orthodox synagogue.

    The beliefs of the Chabad Lubavitch are distinct and intense, and I can't imagine giving up such deeply held beliefs for a paycheck.

    BTW, despite dealing with a similar subject matter, the movie the Lost Boys is much better than Lord of The Flies.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lost_Boys
    You are right, they don't want to work in any type of synagogue other than Chabad. Many of them get other types of jobs or go into business and study Torah because the study of Torah itself is valued. 
  • @BubbyLeah.....the Chabad guy I knew told me they don't teach how to read Hebrew, a cousin of my wife's who had her Bat Mitzvah in a Chabad temple read in ENLGISH a passage from some book called "Women of Valor" and did nothing else and yes, the kids that come back from Chabad to our temple have NO knowledge of Hebrew at all.
  • @BubbyLeah.....the Chabad guy I knew told me they don't teach how to read Hebrew, a cousin of my wife's who had her Bat Mitzvah in a Chabad temple read in ENLGISH a passage from some book called "Women of Valor" and did nothing else and yes, the kids that come back from Chabad to our temple have NO knowledge of Hebrew at all.
    Assuredly, we are absolutely taught to read Hebrew, very, very early in the game :)

    The entire curriculum from elementary through high school and beyond centers around Hebrew texts. 

    There are all sorts of 'Chabad' temples, ranging from 770 Eastern Pkwy, where you will struggle to hear any but Hebrew and those in Long Island or Arkansas, which are basically outreach centers whose congregations reflect the composition and background of the local Jewish community. 

    I cannot speak to the circumstances of your wife's cousin -- our girls don't read from the Torah for their bas mitzvah, and reading a meaningful passage in English, does not preclude knowing how to read Hebrew -- and I've not seen any kids leaving our system and 'coming back' to temples of any sort.  
  • edited November 2015
    I wonder how many, if any, become fans of Rabbi Yitzchak Ginsburgh and his Derech Chaim, “The Way of Life" movement.

    http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-11-01/violence-in-the-name-of-the-messiah
  • Yes, it's the wonderfully religious and crazy guys of Chabad who have done this. Hell, they're just out for some fun. But very few of them will get upset over this because it's a reflection of their own way of life. As an aside, the cops were called to 1414 President earlier but I didn't catch the reason.
  • It seems Con Ed has now shut off electricity to 749 Eastern Parkway.


    It is only a matter of time before the DOB follows suit and deems the building inhabitable, gets a vacate order and secures it.
  • I wouldn't be surprised if everyone is still there. Years ago when I lived in NJ the Lakewood, NJ Chabad had taken over an old motel and used it as dorms. Don't recall if the electricity was on but I remember that there was no heat through the winter and the Chabad which ran the place didn't give a crap about the students living there. That place was finally shut down but it took about six months.
  • The central entity that owns this site seems absent.

    I assume it is registered as tax exempt, which may be part of the issue.
  • I wouldn't be surprised if everyone is still there. Years ago when I lived in NJ the Lakewood, NJ Chabad had taken over an old motel and used it as dorms. Don't recall if the electricity was on but I remember that there was no heat through the winter and the Chabad which ran the place didn't give a crap about the students living there. That place was finally shut down but it took about six months.
    There was a Chabad Yeshiva in Lakewood, NJ? What year(s) you talking about?

    To this day, Chabad is almost non-existent in Lakewood.
  • Back in the late 80s, early 90s.
  • Based on how crowded 770 gets, I doubt this sleep-in will last long.
  • As per above link:

    "749 remained dark for nearly a week, and around 20 dorm residents – most of whom are not registered yeshiva students – camped out in the downstairs Shul of 770.

    Late Sunday night, December 20th, at around 2:30am, the lights briefly flickered on in 749. By the next morning, power had been fully restored to the Mikvah, and all the electrical panels in the building had been padlocked with signs stating that the electric was restored and demanding payments of $150 to $350 from each room depending on size.

    Witnesses said that in the dead of night, at around 2:30am, two cars were placed around the manhole while they worked to illegally reconnect the cut service.

    On Monday morning, a large Con-Ed crew arrived once again at 749 – presumably in response to reports about the illegally reconnected service – and made the shocking discovery that not only was the electricity reconnected, but that it had been done in an extremely unsafe manner, putting many lives at risk."


    Yea, DOB is going to need to get control of the building through a court proceeding and then legally evict.   

    ...such a move will allow the owners of the building to state they are not to blame.  



  • http://crownheights.info/communal-matters/523992/large-part-of-749-dorm-receives-vacate-order/

    Quote:

    "On Friday, inspectors with the New York City Department of Buildings, the Fire Department and uniformed police officers served vacate orders on 14 ‘rooms’ inside of 749 Eastern Parkway due to dangerous conditions with the buildings structure and overcrowding.

    749 Eastern Parkway, an infamous address in Crown Heights that has been the scene of recklessness and lawlessness throughout the years, is owned by United Lubavitcher Yeshivoth and has been used over the years as a dormitory for students visiting from abroad.

    In the last 20 years the Yeshiva slowly allowed control over the building to slip from their hands, and has reached a point where they admitted that today they have “no control whatsoever over the premises.” This stunning admission came after a student was viciously and violently assaulted, robbed and thrown from his room.

    Over the years the building has fallen into a serious status of disrepair, which recently has come to the point that the building poses an immediate threat and danger to its occupants.

    A recent inspection by inspectors revealed that one of the main exterior structure walls was bulging and that pieces of the building were falling out from around the window frames. In response the inspector served a partial vacate order for that part of the building.

    Friday, building inspectors from the city entered the building escorted by uniformed police officers and fire safety inspectors and proceeded to issue vacate orders to 14 of the rooms. The orders were posted on each room and on the buildings front door.

    Building residents have ignored these notices by pulling them down.

    According to building department records reveal that 95 complaints were made against this building, with 11 of them still ‘open’, along with 158 major violations and fines."

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