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The Repurposing of the Armory at Bedford and UNION

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  • Nothing's perfect!  
  • edited November 2016
    That daylight shading analysis is severely warped. It doesn't truly show how Union Street will be in darkness most of the time due to the massive residential building. As it is right now, the roof of the armory blocks most of the sunlight to the West side of the block.
  • edited November 2016
    In a move I perceive as obvious, BFC partners has almost given away rental space to one of Crown Heights' most popular community organizations: the West Indian Day Carnival Association. 

     Suddenly, the project is again "community serving" and -um- "black". Critics: the ball is now in your court. 

     Um, good luck.
  • BFC now has money, EDC and "community support"

    Now it just needs a big developer that is smart enough to have a POC as spokesperson, to silence the MWBE folks.

    5-4-3-2-.....
  • I like the Art Deco towers in the CHSA powerpoint.
  • edited November 2016
    I like how they look, but they don't create a lot of livable square footage.

    ...and therefore income.

    As a general rule, tenants are quite concerned with square footage, this will be a rental building that needs a solid income stream that might subsidize the rec center.

    So, I'd like a "ugly" boring, big box building, please.
  • Seems there was a big shooting right by the armory last night. Looks like folks are doing there best to literally resist gentrification.
  • jong said:
    Seems there was a big shooting right by the armory last night. Looks like folks are doing there best to literally resist gentrification.
    Are you suggestion the shooting was part of a conspiracy to resist gentrification?
  • nope. but folks worried about rapid gentrification should keep in mind (dog crap everywhere, abundant litter, loud car stereos constantly, open drug dealing, shootings) that conditions in the area will continue naturally deter some folks from moving in. as long as the people involved in criminal activity continue to be in the area committing crimes, gentrification will proceed more slowly than it would if they weren't doing so - these are facts
  • edited November 2016
    If recent history is reliable, the forces of social change (aka gentrification or migration) are so strong that they will overwhelm such conditions.

    Those who shy away from an area as a result of such conditions, are merely replaced by those who are not, as well as those who view the conditions as temporary.

    The armory will do its part by serving whoever has the right combination of cash and power.
  • What was the big shooting last night? Not seeing anything about a shooting in the usual places.
  • edited November 2016
    I saw this repot of shots fired at Bedford and Montgomery, but no one was reportedly injured.

  • edited November 2016
    jong said:
    nope. but folks worried about rapid gentrification should keep in mind (dog crap everywhere, abundant litter, loud car stereos constantly, open drug dealing, shootings) that conditions in the area will continue naturally deter some folks from moving in. as long as the people involved in criminal activity continue to be in the area committing crimes, gentrification will proceed more slowly than it would if they weren't doing so - these are facts
    I respectfully disagree. 


    1. The dog crap is not as abundant as it was years ago. Case in point - Carroll Street on both sides of the Shuttle tracks. 

    2. Re:" gentrification will proceed more slowly than it would if they weren't doing so" If that were the case, gentrification would not be talked about so much now whether here, on the FB groups, in the media, or even in academic discourse. Places like Starbucks would not have moved in to Eastern Parkway and Franklin Avenue five years ago. (That Starbucks opened two years ago, by the way.) That is a fact.


  • 1. it depends street by street. go look at Montgomery between Bedford and Flatbush, north side. It's horrifying

    2. that's ridiculous. Real estate agents have told me that folks seeing the news of stabbings and shootings, checking in with the precinct, are sometimes turned off from moving to the area. Some people don't care, as Whynot says, some do.
  • jong said:
    1. it depends street by street. go look at Montgomery between Bedford and Flatbush, north side. It's horrifying


    Do you mean Montgomery between Bedford and Washington? Franklin? Montgomery doesn't go through to Flatbush because it ends at Washington.
  • Returning the armory, Bedford Courts has decided it will never again be accused of not benefitting the community. Not only has it formed an alliance with WIADCA, it is now sponsoring events where the local activist types are bound to be present.

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  • Ooo, partnering with Geoff Davis and First Baptist? Hard to stop that machine...
  • This is a serious throwdown
  • edited November 2016
    I don't know to what degree this represents an actual "ongoing partnership" between First Baptist and Bedford Courts.

    But, yes, it is fun to see both sides play the "we represent the ACTUAL community" card.

    There is rarely love between Diane Richards and Mr Davis, and this is no exception.
  • Ooo, partnering with Geoff Davis and First Baptist? Hard to stop that machine...

    What does anyone have against First Bsptist?
  • I don't have anything against it. I was just noting that it interesting that BFC is co-sponsoring an event with them. First Baptist is arguably the most powerful church in Central Brooklyn, a real seat of power for the Democratic party in Brooklyn.  And Geoff Davis and the legacy of James E. Davis loom large. BFC is making a power move along with First Baptist. 
  • edited November 2016
    I wonder which entity Mr Davis approached first: BFC or First Baptist?
  • Am I missing something?  How is BFC is involved in this event?  Bedford Courts and BFC are two very separate things.

    And what is WIADCA?
  • WIADCA = http://wiadcacarnival.org

    BFC is the developer behind the thin veneer known as Bedford Courts. 

  • Geez I didn't realize Bedford Courts was BFC.  Thought Bedford Courts was Carmelo Anthony's organization - since disbanded.  They co-opted the name?

    Wondering also if this is the case, seems they're all in bed with each other and this rec center will actually get built?!
  • BFC recruited, and then lost Carmelo Anthony.

    BFC will build the rec center if the housing is "allowed to be" profitable enough..   

    If "the community proponents" force BFC to only build unprofitable/affordable housing, then nothing will be be built because their won't be a large enough $ to allow for profit and subsidize the rec center.

    The rec center won't happen without a subsidy. 


  • edited January 5
    Some more press...  I'm not sure who the Editors at Crains are but I know they share the same ideas about Empire boulevard as others in the community pushing for re-zoning.

  • Note, the term "environment" is not defined. Hence, the scoping study does not have to focus on what the opponents of this project seem primarily focused on, "gentrification contagion"

    Quote:

    Positive Declaration and Public Scoping

    Kings County (Brooklyn) - The New York City Office of the Deputy Mayor for Housing and Economic Development, as lead agency, has determined that the proposed Bedford Union Armory Project may have a significant adverse impact on the environment and a Draft Environmental Impact Statement must be prepared. Written comments on the draft scope will be accepted until February 10, 2017. A public scoping session will be held on January 26, 2017 at 6:30 p.m. at the Dr. Gladstone H. Atwell M.S. 061, 400 Empire Boulevard, Brooklyn, NY 11225.

    The New York City Economic Development Corporation, in coordination with Bedford Courts LLC, is seeking a series of discretionary approvals to facilitate the redevelopment of the historic Bedford Union Armory located at 1555 Bedford Avenue in the Crown Heights neighborhood of Brooklyn, New York into an approximately 542,393 gross square feet three building mixed-use development. Specifically, the redevelopment would result in approximately 390 residential dwelling units (DUs), including approximately 177 affordable DUs; up to 48,997 gross square feet of office space; up to 18,122 gross square feet of academic space; approximately 72,252 gross square feet of community facility space; and a minimum of 118 parking spaces. Should the 18,122 gross square feet of academic space be determined infeasible, 25 additional DUs (including 14 affordable DUs) would be incorporated into the Proposed Development in lieu of the 18,122 gross square feet of academic space.
    The Applicant is seeking discretionary approvals including the disposition of City-owned property, zoning map and text amendments, and special permits to facilitate the Proposed Development. The analysis build year for this project is 2020.

    Contact: Esther Brunner, New York City Office of the Deputy Mayor for Housing and Economic Development, 253 Broadway, 14th Floor, New York, NY 10007, Phone: (212) 6763203, E-mail: ebrunner@cityhall.nyc.gov.
  • edited January 10
    The views of the local politicians have not changed:
    http://www.kingscountypolitics.com/elected-officials-op-ed-public-owned-bedford-armory-100-affordable/

    They seem to have decided it is in their best interests to lose while asking for more.

    If they get to choose between a rec center and non-subsidized housing, I suspect we'd get subsidized housing and a usually closed, unrenovated rec center.
  • NY1 interviews the politicians:

    http://fw.to/2PicwB
  • Meeting tonight at Medgar Evans 6:30pm!
  • here's a video of the meeting.  https://cmlauriecumbo.wordpress.com/2017/02/08/recap-status-update-on-the-bedford-union-armory-part-1/ ;

    sounds like there is some awesome programming planned for the space.  as expected there was some fireworks from some members of the community.  around 37:30 in someone asks alicia to settle down.  is that alicia boyd of the mtopp?  some good stuff in her airbnb profile...https://www.airbnb.com/users/show/4937803 (sunny personality, plugging barclays center, travels to bali). 

    i'm really starting to lose the train of the opposition -- it seems like she wants the programming to be free for community members.  seems very disingenuous to insist on 100% affordable housing and then ask if all the programming and space will be free.  it's also really frustrating that the presenters aren't even able to get through their presentations.  per his intro (in case you don't sit through the whole thing) the gentleman who was being repeatedly interrupted is from the boys and girls club of new rochelle and has been working with BFC to help with youth programming at the armory.  i understand fighting about affordability levels and job creation, etc, but i'm really at a loss as to how someone who actually cares about the community can get all up in bunch over providing low cost enrichment opportunities to kids -- what is her problem?  
  • edited February 17
    We now return to the approval process. The next step, "scoping" takes place on March 7th.

     Positive Declaration and Public Scoping (Rescheduled) Kings County (Brooklyn) - The New York City Office of the Deputy Mayor for Housing and Economic Development, as lead agency, has determined that the proposed Bedford Union Armory Project may have a significant adverse impact on the environment and a Draft Environmental Impact Statement must be prepared. A public scoping session has been rescheduled for March 7, 2017 at 6:30 p.m. at the Ebbets Field Middle School 352, 46 McKeever Place, Brooklyn, NY 11225. Written comments on the draft scope will now be accepted until March 17, 2017. The New York City Economic Development Corporation, in coordination with Bedford Courts LLC, is seeking a series of discretionary approvals to facilitate the redevelopment of the historic Bedford Union Armory located at 1555 Bedford Avenue in the Crown Heights neighborhood of Brooklyn, New York, into an approximately 542,393 gross square foot three-building mixed-use development. Specifically, the redevelopment would result in approximately 390 residential dwelling units (DUs), including approximately 177 affordable DUs; up to 48,997 gross square foot of office space; up to 18,122 gross square foot of academic space; approximately 72,252 gross square foot of community facility space; and a minimum of 118 parking spaces. Should the 18,122 gross square foot of academic space be determined infeasible, 25 additional DUs (including 14 affordable DUs) would be incorporated into the Proposed Development in lieu of the 18,122 gross square foot of academic space. The Applicant is seeking discretionary approvals including the disposition of City-owned property, zoning map and text amendments, and special permits to facilitate the Proposed Development. The analysis build year for this project is 2020. Contact: Esther Brunner, New York City Office of the Deputy Mayor for Housing and Economic Development, 253 Broadway, 14th Floor, New York, NY 10007, Phone: (212) 676-3203, E-mail: ebrunner@cityhall.nyc.gov.
  • In a display of their savvy, Bedford Courts has begun the process of forming soccer teams. This will likely bolster their image among local children, parents, school teachers and politicians.

    ...throwing the ball back to the politicians.
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  • Protests occured this week in front of the armory with the usual people, claiming things such as "this is our land" and encouraging others to "take it back."  

    I'm not sure if there's anyway to direct message me on this sight, but I'm putting together something for Laurie Cumbo in order to show my support for the project moving forward.  If any one else is interested and wants to show there's solidarity on the "pro" side of moving forward, please let me know.  Power in numbers.  Thanks
  • The folks against the project need to find some city, state, federal or private funding if they want their demands of greater affordability met.

    ...because they are unable to do this, they seem to have no focus.

     
  • Thanks @b_funk and @crownheightster Will direct message you.  And @whynot_31, regardless of their lack of focus besides their general antipathy they can still kill the deal.
  • The ULURP scoping session on March 7th is poised to be either a Jerry Springer episode, or a snooze fest.

    If I am in the mood, I might attend.
  • whynot_31 said:
    The ULURP scoping session on March 7th is poised to be either a Jerry Springer episode, or a snooze fest. If I am in the mood, I might attend.
    Hmm when's that session?
  • Discussed in my Feb 16th post, above:

    "A public scoping session has been rescheduled for March 7, 2017 at 6:30 p.m. at the Ebbets Field Middle School 352, 46 McKeever Place, Brooklyn, NY 11225"

    A lot of the local politicians have been advertising the event.

    I predict 5 underpaid reporters, 100 local residents, 25 politicians and their staffers, and employees of BFC and EDC.
  • To prepare for the mtg, BFC has contracted with a local development corporation.


    Every move is designed to make the opponents of the project look like out of touch marxist idealists.


    ...is it working?
     
  • Marxists at least have a coherent ideology. 
  • edited March 2
    It'd be interesting to see what the final, realistic budget for this project would be.
  • A lot of the budget will depend upon how much they expect the condos to sell for.

    They will subsidize the below market units and (to some degree) the recreation and community center.
  • https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20170302/crown-heights/bedford-union-armory-affordable-housing-fund-bfc-ldcch

    This is everything I love about the scrum of Brooklyn politics. Big developer giving a pittance to a local development corp run by a disgraced ex-politician and leader from within a powerful church. Of course, the disgraced "won't be running the fund"...but his son will...yeah, super Trumpian. The $500,000 is enough to look big and meaningful, and might result in something other than the lining of some pockets, but it is too small to get that local dev corp to be able to buy some buildings. 
  • edited March 3
    Trump should not be credited or blamed for inventing "pay to play" or "extort for support".

    He is only 70.

    BTW, I am somewhat relieved that DeBlasio announced he plans to create 90 new shelters. ...it means that there is now less of a need/temptation for his administration to use this armory as one.

  • The word from the Mayor's office:  http://www.nyc.gov/html/oec/html/ceqr/16DME005K.shtml

    My feeds tell me Tuesday will be a Jerry Springer show..


  • Protests occured this week in front of the armory with the usual people, claiming things such as "this is our land" and encouraging others to "take it back."  


    I'm not sure if there's anyway to direct message me on this sight, but I'm putting together something for Laurie Cumbo in order to show my support for the project moving forward.  If any one else is interested and wants to show there's solidarity on the "pro" side of moving forward, please let me know.  Power in numbers.  Thanks
    I'd like to support the project. Please message me.
  • edited March 8
    The article states that BFC has now lined up 6 local non-profits as tenants, plus Medgar Evers College.

    ...the opponents are going to have a hard time convincing the ULURP voters that this project is one that disproportionately benefits white, wealthy people.

  • The $500,000 that BFC Partners proposes to give to a "fund" for affordable housing, managed in partnership by the Local Development Corporation of Crown Heights, seems woefully inadequate. 

    Average cost for creating one unit of affordable housing is $200,000.  Average sale price of a condo in Brooklyn, for 2016, was $795,000.  

    BFC will be profiting from the sale of 58 condos.  With the $500,000 the LDCCH will have a great start for beginning construction on those two units of affordable housing.    

  • Um...they could try harder to make the "fund" look less like a "bribe."
  • Next you will want them to rent out space to the non profits and MEC at market rates.

    ...bribery takes many forms, @crownheightster
  • Haha, it's all a big bribe. Or tribute?
  • Bertha Lewis may be simply angling for her slice of the pie.

    ....she got a pretty big slice from Atlantic Yards (now known as Pacific Park).
  • Bertha Lewis's slice of the pie is a "handout."

    She argues that "the community" didn't ask for Condos, yet "the community" is also not the entity in charge of supplying subsidized housing. What the city or state giveth, they also can taketh.
  • Check your inbox @crownheightster @Rick656 @b_funk ;

    Let's figure this out!
  • Marco555 said:
    Bertha Lewis's slice of the pie is a "handout." She argues that "the community" didn't ask for Condos, yet "the community" is also not the entity in charge of supplying subsidized housing. What the city or state giveth, they also can taketh.
    The "community" can make their opinions known to their representatives, who can communicate them on behalf of the community to the city and/or state. It'd be in the city's interest/state's interest to listen at least. If the site were owned by a private entity, the private entity legally and morally wouldn't have to give a hoot, right?
  •  If the site were owned by a private entity, the private entity legally and morally wouldn't have to give a hoot, right?
    That's not necessarily true. It's often in a private entity's best interest to listen to its customers since they'll take their money or allegiances elsewhere. 
  • edited March 11
    I find that I have more choice when it comes to services provided by private entities than I do from government ones.  
  • Meanwhile, BFC is building its base of support as well: People who live locally and like sports.

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  • edited March 10
    The supporters of the project may want to be more explicit in their wording.

    Something like "the plan presently being pursued by NYC EDC and BFC demonstrates the skills, experience and knowledge our community needs"

    Put that in, and I'll sign.

    ...but I don't think it will sway any of the ULURP voters. They will be selected based on supporting the project.
  • Crain's has done some digging into the Crown Heights Development Corp that has signed on to be a part of the armory.


    Spoiler alert:   All the names of the Brooklyn Democratic Machine are there.
  • Cuomo may provide some cash toward subsidizing the housing units at the Bedford Union Armory.

  • ...however, it would surprise me if this mysterious "new money" went to new projects as opposed to making up for the loss of federal funding to existing sites:   http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-slash-20m-nyc-affordable-housing-program-article-1.2999393?platform=hootsuite
  • BFC is smart enough to never publish a photo of a wealthy white family pushing a stroller 

    http://files.constantcontact.com/3d484e69501/f91f86ad-f5f5-4c69-8aa5-2001362d98d8.pdf
  • Community land trusts involve properties that already exist.  Meaning no one had to built them, never mind renovate and build out a rec center.  I guess she thinks someone can just pull 100 + million out of a hat with a magic wand and then voila dole out apartments at sub market rates?  That's fascinating logic
  • Neither she or Geoffrey Davis have access to money, a seat on the ULURP committee, or a seat in the body that must ultimately approve this deal (the NYC Assembly).

    ...each is desperately trying to use this issue to appear relevant and the mouthpiece for "the community".

    Things are built for money ...not "communities".


  • whynot_31 said:


    Things are built for money ...not "communities".


    Self-sufficient communities build for "community"...
  • South Crown Heights does not meet that description.
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