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781 Washington goes market rate — Brooklynian

781 Washington goes market rate

As evident from the renovations presently occurring and announced in The Post over the summer, 781 Washington will stop accepting Section 8 during the summer of 2015:

Many people are likely not aware that this building is presently mostly comprised of small apartments, occupied by tenants who qualified for a Section 8 voucher as a result of psychiatric and substance abuse disabilities.

The tenants are not allowed to congregate in front of the building, and some instead congregate in front the nearby businesses along Washington Avenue, on the east side, between St. John's and Sterling.

The disappearance of the present tenant mix is expected to have a major impact on the businesses that cater to them, notably the Kareem Deli, and the men who sell marijuana in front of 3-Ds.

As a result of its impact, this development has been included on the "Big 16 Developments in western Crown Heights" that I write about:


You are welcome to join the conversation....


  • Ha, they congregate all the time under the scaffolding that's currently around the building.  How do you know this building's tenants are the ones hanging out on that block of Washington?  Just common sense?


    Wouldn't want to be one of the first market-rate tenants who moves in there.

  • I have heard the landlord will not move in new tenants until the building is nearly vacant of old tenants.

    As the units become vacant, they are being renovated and combined with adjacent units.

    When this building closes, some supportive housing will remain in the area. For example, the apartments which line the west side of Washington between St Johns and Lincoln serve a similarly disabled population. They receive services from ICL.

  • edited December 2014
    Fires in supportive housing are far more common than regular housing.

    These tenants will be unable to pay their rent once the landlord stops accepting Section 8. 

    As a result of being on SSI/SSD, they are unable to pay the rent on a unit that is "merely" rent stabilized.

    Harassment, arson, buyouts, etc will not be required to cause vacancies.

  • edited November 2014
    Suggested music to accompany this thread:   

    Note, some of the lyrics might be unsafe for work, depending upon where you work.   This clip was chosen because this development is far more likely result in homelessness than the other the big developments I write about.
  • that building has also resulted in some other unpleasant things over the past years


    just saying

  • edited March 2015
    no doubt.

    At present, the building presently has 63 units, all of which are subject to Section 8 maximums:

    One (1) Studio renting for $1,317
    Twenty two (22) 1 Bedroom renting for $1,376
    Thirty five (35) 2 Bedrooms renting for $1,631
    Four (4) 3 Bedrooms renting for $2,098

    The residents pay 30% of their income in rent, and the voucher picks up the rest.

    So, if you received $900 in SSI, your share of the rent is $270 and the government's share is the difference. In the instance that a 1BR was occupied by 1 person, gov would pay $1106 (1376 - 270).

    Once the apartments are renovated, they will likely escape rent stabilization rules.

    Regardless, I expect the new rents to be about 80% more than the old ones, and the full payment to be the responsibility of the tenant. [There is no way the present tenants will be able to afford the new rents]

    It is completely reasonable to expect that those who move into the renovated apartments will have different means, preferences and overall behaviors. They will also be healthier, and thus consume fewer police and EMS services.

    When the landlord is done renovating the building, I wonder if there will still be 63 units. I have heard some units are being combined.
  • edited March 2015
    It will likely come as no surprise to regualr readers, but the landlord has basically stopped maintaining the building now that it is being withdrawn from Section 8.

    The landord does not care if his building will not continue to meet the HUD established criteria for eligiiblity.

    Repairs from the fire are not being adequately made, and the DOB complaints are piling up:

    When the landlord finally stops accepting S8 this summer, many of the tenants will likely be shelter bound. People in such situations stay only because their present housing is better that a shelter, and they are not eligible for shelter if they are determined to have housing.

    [this is a depressing thread]
  • As discussed above, the landlord is expected to make the building almost completely vacant before he moves in market rate tenants.

    In the meantime, units are being renovated as they become vacant. A very unscientific method of seeing what units appear occupied from the outside at night seems to show the building is about half vacant already.

    My theory is that the landlord seems to have not exercised his right to exit Section 8 all at once, or that some tenants have a methods of payment other than Section 8.
  • This site continues to be one of the sites I believe will make a large impact on western Crown Heights:
  • The building now has abut $60,000 in unpaid ECB fines. These fines will likely remain unpaid until the property is sold, when the city will finally has the leverage it needs to collect them
  • Unconfirmed, but Padmapper is showing an Airbnb listing at 783 Washington for a 2 bedroom apartment for a whopping $5k/mo. The terms are monthly, so the rental is presumably above board. But based on the number of reviews for the space it seems unlikely that it is being rented for 30 days minimum.
  • edited January 2018
    That apartment is not in 781. As per the photos, it has been renovated to the degree that it has an A/C split system, which is not consistent with this building.