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      danaeo

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      Help support residential permit parking in central Brooklyn!
      State legislation required to limit demand for car travel to Barclays Center

      What: Hearing of the New York City Council Committee on State and Federal Legislation
      When: Wednesday, 11/2 at 10:30AM
      Where: 250 Broadway, 14th Floor

      According to the Empire State Development Corporation, when the Barclays Center opens in September 2012, an expected 35-40% of arena patrons will arrive for events by car1. That means as many as 6,100 cars travelling to the site2 for each of the more than 200 events3 anticipated to be held each year. This barrage of traffic is expected to cause significant delays at more than half of the intersections within a half mile of the arena4. It will add to the vehicular, pedestrian and bicycle accidents that have already make Atlantic Avenue Brooklyn's most dangerous road. And it will result in up to 3,000 arena patrons taking curbside parking spots5 in Park Slope, Boerum Hill, Fort Greene, and Prospect Heights, clogging already-congested residential side streets.

      Among all of the impacts to neighborhood character and quality of life that will come from locating Atlantic Yards' arena within residential communities, none are of greater consequence to more residents than the traffic generated by arena events. But there is a way to reduce the demand for our local streets. It's called "residential permit parking," or RPP, and it's been effective in other cities, like Boston and Chicago, where sports facilities are located in densely-populated areas. By limiting on-street parking during arena events to local residents, RPP will create a disincentive for arena patrons to drive, reducing congestion and making streets safer.

      New York City requires authorization from the State legislature before it can implement RPP. On Wednesday, 11/2 at 10:30AM, the City Council will hear testimony on legislation authorizing the City to enact residential permit parking programs in the five boroughs. The BrooklynSpeaks sponsors urge you to participate in this critical hearing and make your voice heard.

      Please email us with your plans to attend and interest in testifying, and thanks for speaking up!

      1. Atlantic Yards Final Environmental Impact Statement, table 12-10.
      2. FEIS, table 12-11.
      3. FEIS, page S-2.
      4. FEIS, page 12-3
      5. FEIS, page 12-56.

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    2. whynot_31

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      I fear this will be defeated by the same logic that defeated congestion pricing (aka East River tolls):

      "Thou shall allow no law that allows New York City to obtain revenue from those who live outside its borders"

      My one piece of good advice: Bet on the Harlem Globetrotters.
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      booklaw

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      WN, you may be correct about the fate of the current proposal, but I question your assumption that congestion pricing was opposed solely by those who live outside of the 5 boroughs. Believe it or not, some NYC outer borough residents do have cars, and object to being charged for entry into the sacred precincts of Manhattan.

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    4. whynot_31

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      Will you accept this clarification?

      "Thou shall allow no law that allows a New York City borough or neighborhood to obtain revenue from those who live outside its borders"

      My one piece of good advice: Bet on the Harlem Globetrotters.
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      booklaw

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      Much better!

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    6. whynot_31

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      I'm of the opinion that no debate is complete is without inflammatory rhetoric.

      Do you think those who support the permits will refer to themselves as Prospect Heights Patriots?

      ...while those opposed to the permits will derisively refer to them as the Prospect Heights Nativists?

      My one piece of good advice: Bet on the Harlem Globetrotters.
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      danaeo

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      Not sure how RPP would violate that tenet.

      This isn't about charging a fee to people from outside NYC, but it is about limiting on street parking to only residents/businesses owners in the neighborhood during arena events. Otherwise, we'll have thousands of cars circling around looking for on street parking 220+ days of the year. And during the circus and ice shows, it'll be 3x a day.

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    8. whynot_31

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      By denying out of neighborhood people (hereafter referred to as "invading infidels") the ability to park free on the street, this proposal will effectively force them to pay a fee to park in the lot, or ride public transit with unwashed people like myself.

      While RPP may be what should happen, do not under estimate the power of the invading infidels.

      I wish you well, Prospect Height Patriot. May those who believe in God, think that s/he is on your side.

      My one piece of good advice: Bet on the Harlem Globetrotters.
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    9. idlewild

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      If anything, Ratner should support it so as to fill his Mother of All Parking Lots. Which in turn, will put money in his pocket, and pocket change in the City's & State's coffers.

      "Clamato! Straight Up! No chasah!
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    10. whynot_31

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      ....supporting the permits would be consistent with Ratner's mantra:

      "If you give me what I want now, I will promise to give you a crumb at some date that is always in the future"

      My one piece of good advice: Bet on the Harlem Globetrotters.
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      Brooklynviews

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      Actually, the problem is that the City currently lacks the ability to “pass, enforce or maintain any ordinance, rule or regulation requiring from any owner of a motor vehicle or motorcycle . . . any . . . fee . . . for the use of the public highways.” (see http://www.dartmouthlawjournal.org/articles/88-105.pdf
      ). It's not at all about who lives where, it's just the history of who has the authority.

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    12. whynot_31

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      I do love posters who link law journals on their first post!

      ...I do hate that this authority resides with Albany, regardless of the logic they use as they exercise it.

      My one piece of good advice: Bet on the Harlem Globetrotters.
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      danaeo

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      That's what the public hearing is about. The city council is deciding if they will ask Albany to grant them the authority to have permit parking regulations on NYC streets. This is, in City Council parlance, a "home rule message." Then the state legislature needs to pass a bill allowing it to happen.

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    14. dailyheights

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      stickied by request.

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      booklaw

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      I love the idea of keeping parking spaces in my neighborhood reserved for neighborhood residents... but I hate the idea that I might not be able to park... except at meters... in other, nearby neighborhoods. So I suppose it comes down to how the regs are written, i.e. are permits issued inly to residents of a given block, a given neighborhood (and how the boundaries of each neighborhood are defined), a given borough, etc.

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    16. whynot_31

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      This proposal is an effort by my car owning neighbors to prevent parking and street traffic from getting even worse.

      While these goals are admirable, I wonder what is the maximum amount people would be willing to pay for a permit?

      I.E. If I was wealthy, I would want the permits to be so expensive and so restrictive that (in addition to thwarting the invading infidels) a lot of my neighbors would get rid of their cars. This way, I could always be assured of finding a spot on my block.

      My one piece of good advice: Bet on the Harlem Globetrotters.
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      booklaw

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      The wealthy don't need such mechanisms. They keep their cars in garages.

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    18. whynot_31

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      true, but garages are not always plentiful or convenient. While not adjacent to the arena, the permit system could be sought out by communities wherein this is a problem; Brooklyn Heights comes to mind...

      On the other hand, perhaps the battle may not be between the wealthy and other car owners but instead the primary actor is the city government.

      In an attempt to soak the "rich car owners", the voters of the city could play Robin Hood and cause the government to use its newly granted authority to tax on-street parking by huge amounts in other neighborhoods. The costs of garages would naturally follow suit.

      If this scenario took place, today's Neighborhood Patriots could be unwittingly offering up themselves as an easily taxed target.

      My one piece of good advice: Bet on the Harlem Globetrotters.
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      homeowner

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      I lived in a city that had a residental parking system and I found that while it was great for homeowners, it sucked for many people (including myself). For example, there was a limit on the number of permits that could be issued to each resdence. Single-family homes were allowed two permits. Multi-family residences were permitted a greater number, but it was very possible that, for example, if you were living in an apartment building where there were three people sharing an apartment with one name on the lease, you'd only be eligible for one residential permit.

      As someone pointed out above, what residental parking did, was guarantee everyone a spot in their own neighborhood. However, it also meant the odds of you finding a spot outside of your neighborhood was very slim. Any time you wanted to travel to another part of town and you knew you'd be gone for several hours, you had to worry about finding a meter, or contend with moving your car every hour to a new parking spot.

      What I'm really offended by is the fact that not only is Ratner causing all this, but he's singlehandedly going to benefit because he owns all of the nearby parking garages. The overhead on the parking business is extremely low, and its one of those businesses, that has a really high return on investment, especially in NYC.

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    20. whynot_31

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      Arlington VA has a street parking permit system which prevents it from being over run by Metro seeking commuters.

      However, they also have a thing called Flexpass.

      The free FlexPass is a dashboard placard which can be used either for a household's own vehicle or for a guest's vehicle. The FlexPass is specific to the household and displays the zone number and household address.

      http://www.arlingtonva.us/departments/EnvironmentalServices/dot/traffic/parking/EnvironmentalServicesZone.aspx

      A friend of mine lives in Arlington and, every year, makes a chunk of $$ by selling her annual Flexpass via Craigslist.

      If this program passes, I hope it provides Prospect Heights residents with a similar opportunity. I will do the same thing as my friend.

      My one piece of good advice: Bet on the Harlem Globetrotters.
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    21. whynot_31

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      Brownstoner chatter:

      http://www.brownstoner.com/blog/2011/10/a-push-for-residential-permit-parking-near-the-arena/#disqus_thread

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    22. bkchickie

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      whynot_31 said:
      Arlington VA has a street parking permit system which prevents it from being over run by Metro seeking commuters.

      However, they also have a thing called Flexpass.

      The free FlexPass is a dashboard placard which can be used either for a household's own vehicle or for a guest's vehicle. The FlexPass is specific to the household and displays the zone number and household address.

      http://www.arlingtonva.us/departments/EnvironmentalServices/dot/traffic/parking/EnvironmentalServicesZone.aspx

      A friend of mine lives in Arlington and, every year, makes a chunk of $$ by selling her annual Flexpass via Craigslist.

      If this program passes, I hope it provides Prospect Heights residents with a similar opportunity. I will do the same thing as my friend.

      Whynot, I like that idea. We're not car owners, but we do have guests visit us who are. I would support a system that allowed for guest passes, or for the parking permit to be transferable.

      I'm not sure that this program will "guarantee" that every car owner gets a spot in the neighborhood, like someone wrote above. I lived in Boston, and there was some insane statistic that there were six cars for every one resident parking space in some neighborhoods.

      Now, that said, if this were a non-permanently mounted permit, like a placard instead of a sticker, the cynic in me would be worried about people smashing my window to steal the placard. I would especially worry if there were a secondary market in the passes, like in Arlington. In Boston there was at least one neighborhood (North End) where windows were being smashed to get at the resident permits (these were stickers attached to the glass, not just placed on the dashboard.)

      So, there would have to be some kind of online system (like with a MetroCard) where a stolen placard could be immediately invalidated. Maybe the permits could have barcodes, and meter-maids could be equipped with a barcode scanner.

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      danaeo

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      danaeo

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      A petition has been started in case you can't make it to the hearing. You can also add your own testimony to it. Here's the petition:

      http://www.petitiononline.com/rpp4nyc/petition.html

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      stacey

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      As long as I don't have to pay extra for the permits, I think this is a great idea. I also think for this to work they need to cut down alternate side to just one or two days a weeks.

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