After reading all the noise-related posts I want to pose this question to you guys. We just had a baby about a month ago (first one, boy). We live in an apartment building. I've always been abnormally concerned with keeping quiet and being courteous and considerate to my neighbors wherever I've lived. But now, with the baby, this is proving much harder! When he cries, you can't lower the volume, you can't shut it off (well legally at least ).
To make it worse, our building has a small courtyard where everyone's windows look onto. This basically serves as an echo chamber for the noise. I'm really anal now about closing windows when he cries, etc - but I'm not sure how much that makes a difference.
So am I thinking way too much about this? No neighbors have said anything so far- and even if they do say something, what can I actually do? I'm just dreading the inevitable night(s) where we try letting him "cry it out". Ayeeee..
Drano Meow Wars Veteran
Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Posts: 1559
Wed Nov 08, 06 1:33 pm EST
1) Your neighbors haven't said anything because it's a baby, and really, what can you do? Trust me, though - they hear it.
2) Closing the windows makes a huge difference in the situation you describe, and it is quite considerate of you.
I tolerate a fair amount of "normal" noise in my building and expect the same leeway. What I don't tolerate is stupid, inconsiderate noise; you have a crying baby or need to hammer on the wall a few times to hang a picture? Fine by me. You leave your yapping dog home by itself all day or decide to let your kids run around the lobby screaming for more than 5 minutes? You're getting a visit.
Rose Ninja
Joined: 10 Nov 2005 Posts: 911 Location: South Slope
Wed Nov 08, 06 1:40 pm EST
If you end up doing the "cry it out" thing, you might want to let your neighbors know in advance.
Congratulations on your new baby!
marie Newbie
Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 17
Wed Nov 08, 06 1:41 pm EST
Don't stress out about this so much. You are obviously very considerate. You are doing all that you can to not bother your neighbors. You can't do anything else. And believe me, the majority of people would not be this considerate and would not think twice about their crying baby, so you are way above the crowd. Don't stress!
FurryGreyBOy Irregular
Joined: 24 Mar 2006 Posts: 193 Location: south slope
Wed Nov 08, 06 1:46 pm EST
I suspect I live in the same building complex as you....and I know what you mean about how the courtyard magnifies sound!
I think it's great that you're being so considerate, but I'm assuming that most of your fellow neighbors (many of whom also have children) haven't even noticed, and if they have, aren't that bothered.
Even folks without children (like me) realize that babies cry and sometimes there's nothing you can do about it. Now, if you were talking about a 5-8 year-old who was having a major tantrum and testing his/her vocal cords to the max, I might not be so understanding...... but you've got all that to look forward to!
willregistersoon Local
Joined: 19 Sep 2006 Posts: 268
Wed Nov 08, 06 1:48 pm EST
Thanks. I know most people probably would never think twice about this - and I'm probably going to far in the oppisite direction - being TOO considerate. When he's crying a lot I like to sit in a room that dont have windows facing the courtyard. Maybe thats going too far? (my wife definately thinks so!)
And then, on the topic of being considerate - there's the whole issue of breastfeeding in public. Ooops! Maybe I shouldn't go there?
FurryGreyBOy Irregular
Joined: 24 Mar 2006 Posts: 193 Location: south slope
Wed Nov 08, 06 1:59 pm EST
willregistersoon wrote:
And then, on the topic of being considerate - there's the whole issue of breastfeeding in public. Ooops! Maybe I shouldn't go there?
Now that's a trickier one.... Personally, I'm absolutely ok with breastfeeding anywhere, anytime... so long as it's discrete. I recently went out for coffee with a friend who's a new mom, and saw way more of her boobs than I was comfortable with.... and I'm not that prudish.
I think I felt uncomfortable b/c I kept thinking about how others around us might feel though.
stacey Beyond Karma
Joined: 01 Mar 2005 Posts: 3105 Location: Underhill Ave.
Wed Nov 08, 06 2:02 pm EST
willregistersoon wrote:
Thanks. I know most people probably would never think twice about this - and I'm probably going to far in the oppisite direction - being TOO considerate. When he's crying a lot I like to sit in a room that dont have windows facing the courtyard. Maybe thats going too far? (my wife definately thinks so!)
And then, on the topic of being considerate - there's the whole issue of breastfeeding in public. Ooops! Maybe I shouldn't go there?
Congrats on the new baby!! I think you are doing all you can to be considerate. As far as breastfeeding in public - as long as its your wife and not you - you should be fine
friendlypitbull Local
Joined: 06 Oct 2005 Posts: 261 Location: Central Slope btween 4th and 5th
Wed Nov 08, 06 2:03 pm EST
I am in favor of anything that exposes breasts in public - but others get real updet about it (not really sure why) so be discrete if you want to avoid stares, comments and even critisims.
BrooklynJack Ninja
Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 962 Location: Windsor Terrace
Wed Nov 08, 06 2:10 pm EST
Congrats!!! and thanks for your consideration. If he does wake in the middle fo the night and you let him cry it out, please please take him to the living room. My downstairs neighbors let there child cry it out in the bedroom, just under where we are (trying) to sleeep. Sorry you have to have a bad nibht but why must I?
linusvanpelt Jockin my Mercedes
Joined: 12 Oct 2005 Posts: 394 Location: Center Slope, between 4th and 5th Avenues
Wed Nov 08, 06 3:00 pm EST
BrooklynJack wrote:
Congrats!!! and thanks for your consideration. If he does wake in the middle fo the night and you let him cry it out, please please take him to the living room. My downstairs neighbors let there child cry it out in the bedroom, just under where we are (trying) to sleeep. Sorry you have to have a bad nibht but why must I?
Because you live on the planet with other human beings, a species that reproduces sexually.
I think it would be great for your neighbors to do whatever they can to inconvenience you as little as possible. And it sounds like the poster here wants to do that too. But I doubt it's practical to simply move the baby to the living room. Once the baby is moved back to the bedroom, he's probably going to start crying again, because it's a different environment from where he was sleep-trained. I could be wrong, but I think the baby needs to be sleep trained sooner or later in the room he sleeps in.
Crying it out definitely sucks but not crying it out is worse (for the parents and for you), because it just means more and more nights of crying at bedtime, or in the middle of the night, down the road. (Of course, some people strongly disagree on cry-it-out at all, so maybe I should stop before I start a flame war.)
I sympathize with your cry-it-out noise, though, having been on the receiving end of that before. If it lasts more than a few nights, they may be doing it wrong (e.g., breaking down and going in to the baby, which brings them back to square one).
kensingtonmom Guest
Wed Nov 08, 06 3:38 pm EST
Congratulations on your new baby. having lived in a coop with A LOT of tension over crying babies--I do think you need to try to minimize the noise through rugs or homosote/cork board or whatnot. One of the several reasons I sold our coop when we had kids is that I knew the tension between me and one particularly persnickity neighbor was going to get really ugly. We would try to quiet the kids and he would come storming up to our apartment in a rage. On the other hand, we had a neighbor that would start to let her kid cry it out and give up after an hour every night and this went on for weeks. (I wanted to kill them for being so indecisive). That being said, we are living in an urban environment and there has to be give and take on both sides when living together. People are goign to have kids, practice guitars, walk, breath, push strollers etc.
If you are breastfeeding and have to feed your kid--what are you supposed to do? Of course you should feed your child wherever you want. No reason it can't be done discreetly though.
Jack Krohn He's A Whore
Joined: 18 Dec 2005 Posts: 762 Location: Prospect Heights
Wed Nov 08, 06 3:57 pm EST
My wife and I live in a building with paper-thin walls and can hear the baby next door so clearly that it may as well be in our apartment. While this may get annoying, we both understand that it's something we need to live with. Kids will be kids and that's just how it is. But the others are right, you are doing your best to be considerate and that's all that you can do.
willregistersoon Local
Joined: 19 Sep 2006 Posts: 268
Wed Nov 08, 06 4:18 pm EST
Yeah - I've learned recently about the controversy around cry it out. So far its our plan to try it when hes older but I imagine its harder to carry out than it seems. Part of it may be because I'm stressing out about the neighbors! Luckily one of my neigbors is hard of hearing.
I used to be one of the smug non-baby slopers, scoffing and complaining about stroller traffic, uncontrolable kids (although it was never really a big deal to me) - and now I'm on the other side. Hopefully my kid will turn out to be one of those nice types, who sits quiety drawing and twiddling his thumbs and entertaining himself - but I'm sure there will be those inevitable moments of public embarassment. I guess its a rite of passage for parents.
I think this is all part of city living really. When I can afford the $1.8 million brownstone down the street maybe it won't be an issue. What day is the lotto again?
erikka Bruce Ratner's Love Child
Joined: 15 Sep 2006 Posts: 754
Wed Nov 08, 06 4:22 pm EST
linusvanpelt wrote:
BrooklynJack wrote:
Congrats!!! and thanks for your consideration. If he does wake in the middle fo the night and you let him cry it out, please please take him to the living room. My downstairs neighbors let there child cry it out in the bedroom, just under where we are (trying) to sleeep. Sorry you have to have a bad nibht but why must I?
Because you live on the planet with other human beings, a species that reproduces sexually.
Linus, why do you always get so touchy when a childless person DARES say something about someone else's kids affecting them, as if we should have no opinions since we didn't breed? And why do you care if people are anti-child--it''s not like the childless are an oppressed group in Park Slope. Like I said before, I'm sure your kids are fine, but there are kids who are monsters--and people are more likely to remember a negative experience over a postitve one. It's not always all about you--don't take it so personally.
If there was a screaming baby living next door to me, I probably wouldn't be too thrilled. If the parents took measures to control the situation, that'd be great and I'd appreciate it. But it doesnt' change the fact that a baby screams at three in the morning adn wakes me up. Someone expressing their displeasure about being awaken in such a manner is understandable-- I'm sure any reasonable person would find it irritating, no matter how much they like children. That's great that you're trying to get baby to cry it out, but ifi it's a weeknight and I gotta work, I gotta sleep. Just being honest.
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kensingtonmom Guest
Wed Nov 08, 06 4:43 pm EST
erikka wrote:
Linus, why do you always get so touchy when a childless person DARES say something about someone else's kids affecting them, as if we should have no opinions since we didn't breed?.
I *THINK* because those of us with kids have sensed an anti-child sentiment on the board and maybe we think the best defense is a good offense.
I have been on both sides of the issue and think there has to be give and take for everybody. But a crying baby is a hard thing to control and very stressful when you need to worry about neighbors too. And of course a crying baby is annoying when it isn't yours (wait, they are even more annoying when they are yours!). But we do have to live together.
Rose Ninja
Joined: 10 Nov 2005 Posts: 911 Location: South Slope
Wed Nov 08, 06 5:19 pm EST
I was too weak to do the cry-it-out thing. My 12-year-old still does not sleep through the night, and he still has to wake me up to let me know when he can't sleep.
willregistersoon Local
Joined: 19 Sep 2006 Posts: 268
Wed Nov 08, 06 5:48 pm EST
Rose wrote:
I was too weak to do the cry-it-out thing. My 12-year-old still does not sleep through the night, and he still has to wake me up to let me know when he can't sleep.
yikes - so I guess you regret that you didn't do it?
stacey Beyond Karma
Joined: 01 Mar 2005 Posts: 3105 Location: Underhill Ave.
Wed Nov 08, 06 6:00 pm EST
Rose wrote:
I was too weak to do the cry-it-out thing. My 12-year-old still does not sleep through the night, and he still has to wake me up to let me know when he can't sleep.
I think its a male thing my husband does the same thing to me . . . .
linusvanpelt Jockin my Mercedes
Joined: 12 Oct 2005 Posts: 394 Location: Center Slope, between 4th and 5th Avenues
Wed Nov 08, 06 6:21 pm EST
erikka wrote:
Linus, why do you always get so touchy when a childless person DARES say something about someone else's kids affecting them, as if we should have no opinions since we didn't breed? And why do you care if people are anti-child--it''s not like the childless are an oppressed group in Park Slope. Like I said before, I'm sure your kids are fine, but there are kids who are monsters--and people are more likely to remember a negative experience over a postitve one. It's not always all about you--don't take it so personally.
If there was a screaming baby living next door to me, I probably wouldn't be too thrilled. If the parents took measures to control the situation, that'd be great and I'd appreciate it. But it doesnt' change the fact that a baby screams at three in the morning adn wakes me up. Someone expressing their displeasure about being awaken in such a manner is understandable-- I'm sure any reasonable person would find it irritating, no matter how much they like children. That's great that you're trying to get baby to cry it out, but ifi it's a weeknight and I gotta work, I gotta sleep. Just being honest.
Well, you don't sound touchy at all.
If my posts in general piss you off, fine. I'm not going to re-fight every parent-vs.-childless thread that's ever been on Brooklynian.com here. This thread is not about children misbehaving. A baby crying as he adjusts to sleeping alone is not a "monster."
As I said, I too have been the neighbor woken up by someone else's crying baby. It's irritating as crap, as I said to BrooklynJack. But--crying is what babies do. And hearing it is one of the risks you sign up for when you choose to live in an apartment in a city.
A considerate parent should try to mitigate the problem, like the original poster here is trying to do. (I totally agree with kmom that there has to be give-and-take.) But that doesn't extend to deciding, "Let's not do cry-it-out, because it'll bother our single neighbors, and after all, they didn't decide to have kids, and society is unfairly stacked in favor of us breeders enough as it is!" So you have every right to be pissed off at 3 a.m., and I have every right to sleep-train my baby, which, in the long run, is in the interest of all our sleep.
BrooklynJack suggested the parents move the baby to the living room to cry it out. I said that, as a practical matter, it wouldn't solve the problem in the long run. But I could add: I don't recall anyone on this board ever suggesting that their neighbors who have noisy sex limit their screwing to the living room.
linusvanpelt Jockin my Mercedes
Joined: 12 Oct 2005 Posts: 394 Location: Center Slope, between 4th and 5th Avenues
Wed Nov 08, 06 6:39 pm EST
erikka wrote:
...That's great that you're trying to get baby to cry it out, but ifi it's a weeknight and I gotta work, I gotta sleep. Just being honest.
In the spirit of the midterm elections, by the way, let me try to find some practical, bipartisan common ground. If you're going to cry-it-out in a noisy apartment situation, it's best to ask neighbors what day of the week would be best for them for you to start. (With the understanding that "Never" is not a reasonable request.) For you, I'm guessing, that would be a weekend, but some people would be more annoyed by losing their weekend sleep.
In my experience, cry-it-out usually takes three days or so on average--if you're doing it right, not breaking down and going to the baby, etc.--although there is no guarantee it will be over in three days. And it has to be done consistently and consecutively: you can't decide just to do it Friday and Saturday nights and then try again next Friday. So it's probably unavoidable to have some crying on a weeknight, whenever you start.
Oh, one other misunderstanding (I think) about "crying it out." BrooklynJack suggested that the parents take the kid to the living room IF he starts crying in the middle of the night. (If I'm reading him right.) If you go to the bedroom and pick the baby up to take him to the living room, that's not "crying it out" and it won't work: the baby has to stay sleeping where he went to bed, and get himself back to sleep after waking in the middle of the night, without being picked up.
willregistersoon Local
Joined: 19 Sep 2006 Posts: 268
Wed Nov 08, 06 6:48 pm EST
"That's great that you're trying to get baby to cry it out, but ifi it's a weeknight and I gotta work, I gotta sleep. Just being honest."
Yeah - what linus said is true - taking him to the living room is not an option. sigggh. i'm trying to think what I would've said here as my pre-fatherhood self but I'm just not sure. i would be pissed as hell to be woken all the time by a crying baby. If I were my own neigbor, I guess I would nicely inform them that the crying baby is keeping me up and see if they can do anything about it. if they are already doing things like I am, closing the windows, etc, I'm not sure what else there is to do? Crying babies are just a part of life - and even more part of city living. if there was a magic way to make a baby stop crying - believe me - i'd be the first in line. Its not like music or guitar practice where people can just shut it off - its biological.
I just thought of another slightly different and offi-topic annoying-neighbor situation. What if your neighbor is constantly cooking some ethnic foods with spices that stink up the whole building and go into your apartment? Is it out of line to ask them to stop cooking with certain spices?
linusvanpelt Jockin my Mercedes
Joined: 12 Oct 2005 Posts: 394 Location: Center Slope, between 4th and 5th Avenues
Wed Nov 08, 06 6:51 pm EST
willregistersoon wrote:
I just thought of another slightly different and offi-topic annoying-neighbor situation. What if your neighbor is constantly cooking some ethnic foods with spices that stink up the whole building and go into your apartment? Is it out of line to ask them to stop cooking with certain spices?
I think they've got to put up with your baby, and you've got to put up with their curry.
willregistersoon Local
Joined: 19 Sep 2006 Posts: 268
Wed Nov 08, 06 6:54 pm EST
linusvanpelt wrote:
willregistersoon wrote:
I just thought of another slightly different and offi-topic annoying-neighbor situation. What if your neighbor is constantly cooking some ethnic foods with spices that stink up the whole building and go into your apartment? Is it out of line to ask them to stop cooking with certain spices?
I think they've got to put up with your baby, and you've got to put up with their curry.
What if I'm also the one doing the cooking?
(btw, this is a hypothetical question - I haven't encountered this problem but apartment buildings often do smell weird - boiled potatoes and kasha?)
friendlypitbull Local
Joined: 06 Oct 2005 Posts: 261 Location: Central Slope btween 4th and 5th
Wed Nov 08, 06 7:17 pm EST
These threads always amaze me - if you dont want to be inconvenienced or annoyed by other people you have to move away from them. Try Montana
All anyone can be expected to do is try to be reasonably courteous (which the original poster was trying to be) - but some things in life are unavoidable - like babies that cry - or cooking that smells - if you dont like these facts of life and cant accept that your neighbors arent obligated to live their life for your convenience then move out of the city.
BrooklynJack Ninja
Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 962 Location: Windsor Terrace
Wed Nov 08, 06 8:47 pm EST
friendlypitbull wrote:
These threads always amaze me - if you dont want to be inconvenienced or annoyed by other people you have to move away from them. Try Montana All anyone can be expected to do is try to be reasonably courteous (which the original poster was trying to be) - but some things in life are unavoidable - like babies that cry - or cooking that smells - if you dont like these facts of life and cant accept that your neighbors arent obligated to live their life for your convenience then move out of the city.
You are of course correct. We live in a crowded place and so tollerance is needed, but then, so is courtesy. I put up with some things like when my upstaris neighbor who is def as a post plays the TV at high volumns. But then I take my shoes off when I come home and tell my nieces and nephews they can't yell and scream like they do at home because we live in aptartment and have neighbors. Babies crying? Yea, it happens but 5 nights a week for hours on end!! And then dressing your kid in hard shoes and encouraging her to run screaming back and forth inside the apartment? I'm sosrry but that is just rude.
one of the reasons I live in a coop is that I have a lease like everyone else and I agreed to certain things like keeping 80% of my floors ccovered and keeping odors inside my apt, yea, it's in my lease and everone elses.
Drano Meow Wars Veteran
Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Posts: 1559
Wed Nov 08, 06 9:02 pm EST
I will say here that the cry-it-out was a tough two nights for us, but buck yourself up because it's an investment well worth making - at least in our experience.
Congrats!!! and thanks for your consideration. If he does wake in the middle fo the night and you let him cry it out, please please take him to the living room. My downstairs neighbors let there child cry it out in the bedroom, just under where we are (trying) to sleeep. Sorry you have to have a bad nibht but why must I?
You can't just plop a kid in the living room where there is no crib and let him cry. If you are sleep training it has to be done where the kid normally sleeps. Otherwise it is not effective and potentially dangerous.
kensingtonmom Guest
Thu Nov 09, 06 1:14 pm EST
xueling wrote:
BrooklynJack wrote:
Congrats!!! and thanks for your consideration. If he does wake in the middle fo the night and you let him cry it out, please please take him to the living room. My downstairs neighbors let there child cry it out in the bedroom, just under where we are (trying) to sleeep. Sorry you have to have a bad nibht but why must I?
You can't just plop a kid in the living room where there is no crib and let him cry. If you are sleep training it has to be done where the kid normally sleeps. Otherwise it is not effective and potentially dangerous.
There are some inexpensive ways to try to soundproof which is what i would have done if we had stayed in our coop. We would have put homosote on the floor and covered it with a rug and probably hung up a quilt on the wall. I do think parents have to take SOME responsibility on this too--although it is really hard to stop a crying baby sometimes.
linusvanpelt Jockin my Mercedes
Joined: 12 Oct 2005 Posts: 394 Location: Center Slope, between 4th and 5th Avenues
Thu Nov 09, 06 2:49 pm EST
kensingtonmom wrote:
There are some inexpensive ways to try to soundproof which is what i would have done if we had stayed in our coop. We would have put homosote on the floor and covered it with a rug and probably hung up a quilt on the wall. I do think parents have to take SOME responsibility on this too--although it is really hard to stop a crying baby sometimes.
Agree with all of these suggestions although I would add it's not just hard to stop a crying baby, it's inadvisable, at least if you're doing cry-it-out sleep-training. Going to get the crying baby in the middle of the night (assuming he's old enough to sleep through the night and not sick or something) teaches him to cry every time he wakes up in the middle of the night, which is worse for everyone's sleep in the long run.
Of course, when the baby's newborn he's going to get up in the middle of the night to be fed--loudly--so the considerate parent in an apartment should soundproof before the baby's born.
BrooklynJack Ninja
Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 962 Location: Windsor Terrace
Thu Nov 09, 06 7:42 pm EST
willregistersoon wrote:
I just thought of another slightly different and offi-topic annoying-neighbor situation. What if your neighbor is constantly cooking some ethnic foods with spices that stink up the whole building and go into your apartment? Is it out of line to ask them to stop cooking with certain spices?
No but if your lease reads like mine it is not out of line to ask them to do as they said they would when they signed the lease and keep the cccooking odors inside the apt.
eggcream Carneviento Devotee
Joined: 29 May 2006 Posts: 1237 Location: PS Bklyn
Mon Nov 13, 06 5:42 pm EST
What's the deal with letting a baby "cry it out"? How is an infant supposed to comfort themselves back to sleep? The best thing in the world for a baby is a loving and comforting parent and a feeling of security as they grow older. This time passes very quickly, I have teenagers, and I would enjoy every moment of your waking crying baby. It didn't do my kids or those of my friends kids any harm.
willregistersoon Local
Joined: 19 Sep 2006 Posts: 268
Mon Nov 13, 06 5:51 pm EST
eggcream wrote:
What's the deal with letting a baby "cry it out"? How is an infant supposed to comfort themselves back to sleep? The best thing in the world for a baby is a loving and comforting parent and a feeling of security as they grow older. This time passes very quickly, I have teenagers, and I would enjoy every moment of your waking crying baby. It didn't do my kids or those of my friends kids any harm.
Apparently there are several schools of thought on this. I don't think it's recomended until the baby is at least 2 or 3 months old. They've also done studies that show that babies who learn how to soothe themselves to sleep end up being more self-secure and confident adolescents and adults. From what I've realized so far, this is a hotly debated topic with very differing opinions. The main thing I've learned is that every parent is different and every baby is different. There is no one thing that works for everyone.
raw "Way Too Incestial"
Joined: 14 Jun 2006 Posts: 2036
Wed Nov 15, 06 10:50 pm EST
willregistersoon wrote:
And then, on the topic of being considerate - there's the whole issue of breastfeeding in public. Ooops! Maybe I shouldn't go there?
Isn't feeding babies what breasts are for? As long as you have real breats you should be OK.
It's awesome that our society views breasts as sex toys.
doctorj Abstruse Goose
Joined: 09 Apr 2006 Posts: 2509 Location: Underbilt btwn Carwash and Parking Pl.
Sat Nov 18, 06 12:48 am EST
Anonymous wrote:
It's awesome that our society views breasts as sex toys.
If our species didn't view breasts as sex toys, they would never have evolved into impressively large encumberances over the last few hundred thousand years, rather than small practical devices like on other great apes. Just be thankful ladies that your rear no longer swells and turns bright red or purple around the time of ovulation. _________________ The world will little note nor long remember what we say here. -- Abraham Lincoln
renopithicus Guest
Fri Dec 08, 06 10:06 am EST
If your baby is crying and you CAN move the baby in order to spare your neighbors, then OF COURSE you owe them that minor courtesy. Even if this results in more sleepless nights for you, you should still move the baby. And I find that most people are willing to do this. Most parents are good people and good neighbors, but occasionally someone has a child and all of a sudden feels as though s/he no longer has to have even an iota of concern for anyone who is not their biological offspring. By the same token, most neighbors are understanding when you have a baby that's crying at night. It is only occasionally that someone is a jerk and expects you to go to unreasonable lengths to quiet your baby. Bottom line: Show a reasonable degree of concern and courtesy to your neighbors, and everything will work out just fine.
Jane Guest
Fri Dec 08, 06 10:14 am EST
When our last child was doing serious crying at night, we simply moved his crib into the living room in order to spare our neighbors. This way he could cry without bothering anyone.
Is it so wrong and so anti-child to show just a little bit of consideration to your neighbors?
Carnivore Brooklyn Snark
Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Posts: 13566 Location: St Johns Pl and Underhill
Fri Dec 08, 06 10:20 am EST
Okay, that's 3 different "guests" posting on the same topic from the same IP using 3 different usernames within a span of less than 10 minutes (one has been moved off-site for obvious trollery).
Guest, please do not post under multiple names to bolster your position by agreeing with yourself (see wikipedia under "sockpuppet"). Also, if you register a username, it will allow moderators to PM you rather than addressing you in an open forum as I am doing now.
It's awesome that our society views breasts as sex toys.
If our species didn't view breasts as sex toys, they would never have evolved into impressively large encumberances over the last few hundred thousand years, rather than small practical devices like on other great apes. Just be thankful ladies that your rear no longer swells and turns bright red or purple around the time of ovulation.
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