Anyone know if this was an art project or just a bad situation?
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Fourth Street was abuzz on Sunday when neighbors awoke to find a woman — in full wedding attire — apparently asleep on a ledge above the door of a Park Slope brownstone.
Police quickly arrived, but no one knew what to make of the mysterious woman or even how she could have gotten up on the ledge without assistance. (See photos, right.)
“They asked me if I knew or recognized her or had any idea why she was there,” said Tom Santisi. “I didn’t know what was going on.”
Cops carried the woman down from the ledge, and questioned her in Spanish and English. But witnesses said she gave no response.
“Maybe she’s a fallen angel,” one cop said.
The woman had a teddy bear-shaped bag with her that contained a wedding ring inside a Tiffany box, a witness told The Brooklyn Paper. When the cops took it away from her briefly, she squealed, a witness said, and the officer gave it back.
“That was the only time she responded at all,” said Magda Grant, who lives across the street. “She was a beautiful girl.”
After EMS workers took her away, neighborhood remained stunned.
“It’s very strange,” said a neighbor. “Was she put there or did she climb up herself? This has been the talk of the block since.”
Another neighbor added, “We all kept thinking, ‘This has got to be some NYU film student prank or something! Where’s Ashton Kutcher to tell us we’re being punk’d?’ But once the cops cuffed her, it didn’t seem like a joke anymore.”
Residents of the brownstone, which is between Eighth Avenue and Prospect Park West, were not home at the time of the incident and haven’t returned yet, neighbors said.
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Fri Jul 20, 07 12:43 pm EST
Weird.
Drano Meow Wars Veteran
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Fri Jul 20, 07 12:57 pm EST
Kinda smells like some sort of ad/publicity stunt. For what I do not know, but should it come to light let the city send 'em the bill.
germfree! Carry On ...
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Fri Jul 20, 07 5:24 pm EST
No, It's actually a sad story about a woman who stopped taking her meds.
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Fri Jul 20, 07 11:35 pm EST
Poor thing, I can sympathize. I hope she has good support, a good doctor, and is able to recognize that she needs help. She looks beautiful in the top pic though. _________________ A man needs a little madness, or else he never dares cut the rope and be free. -Nikos Kazantzakis
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Sat Jul 21, 07 7:19 am EST
i heard about this. sad.
btw, where can i find a brooklyn paper? i hear i'm in there _________________ what would you tell me, if i could hear you speaking?--t.r.
Restless Native Local
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Sun Jul 22, 07 12:33 am EST
Asinine.
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Sun Jul 22, 07 7:56 am EST
Restless Native wrote:
Asinine.
why do you feel you have to be so mean all the time? _________________ what would you tell me, if i could hear you speaking?--t.r.
No, It's actually a sad story about a woman who stopped taking her meds.
germfree!, do you know something that wasn't in the newspaper article, or are you speculating? It's not clear from your post.
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Sun Jul 22, 07 5:27 pm EST
How and why? How did she get in there by herself and I wonder why she would go in there.
Slopehead Dodging strollers
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Sun Jul 22, 07 6:10 pm EST
There is virtually no way in hell she did that by herself - it's got to be some kind of prank, stunt, or ad campaign.
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Sun Jul 22, 07 11:53 pm EST
Slopehead wrote:
There is virtually no way in hell she did that by herself - it's got to be some kind of prank, stunt, or ad campaign.
No. She got herself up there and it wasn't a stunt. She is ill and her parents are coming from overseas to take her home. I guess it was a stunt of sorts, but not in the sense I think you are implying.
(She is a friend of a friend)
dakotas way "Anonymous Guest"
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Mon Jul 23, 07 12:19 am EST
It almost sounds like she got stood up at the altar at some point (what with the ring and the dress) and became more ill than she possibly had been before.
Either way its very tragic.
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Mon Jul 23, 07 8:43 am EST
dakotas way wrote:
It almost sounds like she got stood up at the altar at some point (what with the ring and the dress) and became more ill than she possibly had been before.
Either way its very tragic.
yes, let's all make up our own scenarios.
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dakotas way "Anonymous Guest"
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I was just speculating
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Mon Jul 23, 07 4:22 pm EST
dakotas way wrote:
I was just speculating
That's how rumors get started, though.
Someone had "speculated" that a child had been kidnapped in Carroll Park about a month or so ago. The person had seen a 4 yr old girl leave the park with a man who had a little dog.
The moms went nuts, posting pics of neighbors and registered sex offenders alike on all of the parenting boards. Turns out mom went to the bathroom, leaving her child in the company of......her trusted friend and and neighbor. Said friend had been harrassed by the local mom mafia to no end, and he had done nothing wrong.
I do hope this is a publicity stunt, and am surprised that a 9 year old took such artfully beautiful photographs of the scene.
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Mon Jul 23, 07 9:24 pm EST
How do you know a 9 year old took the picture?
veets "Way Too Incestial"
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Mon Jul 23, 07 10:11 pm EST
I don't really see the "art" in this photograpgh.. I am not putting down a nine year old. All I am saying is that every now and again anyone points the camera and shoots and voila....The subject is just so overwhelming that if that subject is captured in the perameters of the frame we have...... an extraordinary photograph.. That is what I see.
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Mon Jul 23, 07 10:53 pm EST
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veets "Way Too Incestial"
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Mon Jul 23, 07 10:54 pm EST
yes that is the art of it.
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No matter what its intentions; the framing of that moment IS art. Was she a willing participant or not--up to debate. _________________ Ask a burning question, get a burning answer.
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Tue Jul 24, 07 10:51 am EST
The Chipster wrote:
No matter what its intentions; the framing of that moment IS art. Was she a willing participant or not--up to debate.
Very sad. I hope she gets some help. _________________ Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball!
theoryofpractice and a cast of thousands
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Wed Jul 25, 07 9:33 am EST
Yep. Sad story.
Although perhaps for the best -- if the fiancé couldn't help her with this, being married isn't going help either. Looks like he wasn't ready for the "in sickness and in health" part, so good riddance.
veets "Way Too Incestial"
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Wed Jul 25, 07 11:01 am EST
theoryofpractice wrote:
Yep. Sad story.
Although perhaps for the best -- if the fiancé couldn't help her with this, being married isn't going help either. Looks like he wasn't ready for the "in sickness and in health" part, so good riddance.
I so agree with this.
Sometimes the "best marriages" are the ones we are smart enough to back away from before the wedding day. . betting many of us have had that experience.
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Wed Jul 25, 07 2:13 pm EST
I have to say, it would be pretty hard to go through with marrying someone who is bipolar and refusing to take their meds... I hope her family can help her.
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Wed Jul 25, 07 3:05 pm EST
theoryofpractice wrote:
Yep. Sad story.
Although perhaps for the best -- if the fiancé couldn't help her with this, being married isn't going help either. Looks like he wasn't ready for the "in sickness and in health" part, so good riddance.
Hmm. Without knowing a lot of personal information, this seems a bit harsh. Having dealt with a bipolar family member, it isn't as simple as it might seem from the outside.
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Wed Jul 25, 07 3:07 pm EST
daver wrote:
theoryofpractice wrote:
Yep. Sad story.
Although perhaps for the best -- if the fiancé couldn't help her with this, being married isn't going help either. Looks like he wasn't ready for the "in sickness and in health" part, so good riddance.
Hmm. Without knowing a lot of personal information, this seems a bit harsh. Having dealt with a bipolar family member, it isn't as simple as it might seem from the outside.
Exactly. I have dealt with people with mental illness, and when they can't or won't get help, it's a nightmare. Sometimes people simply have to cut themselves off to save their OWN sanity.
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Wed Jul 25, 07 9:26 pm EST
A family member who is bipolar is heartbreaking, especially when they don't feel they have a problem and refuse meds completely.
It affects the whole family and can tear it apart.
It's so hard to turn someone out who isn't thinking clearly.
The worry never ends.......and waiting for the phone call that something has happened to that person can be unending.
All you can try to do is help, hope and pray they find their way.
I think it's just been given a recognized name in recent years.
It would seem that these were the people who would have been called moody or irregular in earlier years.
I think it's much more common than it was thought to be.
And there was always the attitude "Don't tell what happens within the family. Keep it to yourself."
Which is such a shame cause I saw first hand so many suffer needlessly because there used to be such a stigma to mental health issues and going to a psychiatrist.
Hopefully now people realize that they don't have to live that way and can change the chemisty that's out of balance in their body.
veets "Way Too Incestial"
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Wed Jul 25, 07 10:42 pm EST
Manic depression is a hard dx for professionals to make because to really pinpoint this diagnosis a therapist needs to be aware of both extremes.. (bi polar.. get it?)
The person who is on the manic side is having a grand old time . So for instance... if their manic side tells them have a good time shopping and they go on major shopping exploits and are a trust fund babe and CAN pay for their indulgent shopping no big deal..If the bills mounted up and somehow the family got involved and there was no money to cover the outrageous expenses .. then the question comes up.. How the hell did that happen? At that point perhaps the family intervenes.
Now the depressive side is something else.. more likely the person would be willing to present themselves to a therapist on this end of the problem because they feel so down.. So they go to a therapist and a mis diagnosis is made based on DX of depression which is the state presented at that time. Wrong drugs prescribed.... no real relief and the swing to manic comes back at which time the person is having such "fun" that they stop taking the drugs that didn't work in the first place and stop seeing the therapist anyway!
This is not a problem of just being moody.. It is the extreme swings that can lead to a correct dx and indeed the proper medication can stabilize a person with this problem.
I am thinking about the speculation when this thread started.. an art student trying to get attention for their art? A prankster just getting attention?
Well.. now we know these theories not true. But how can a person remain "sleeping" in a transom above a brownstone entrance without falling? Now that is a question.. isn't it? The heavily drugged?.. Have you ever seen that methadonian who leans over in a daze and the arms almost touch the ground and they remain in that stance but never fall over? For some reason the mentally ill person can do much the same thing.. almost defying gravity.. and that is probably why The Bride of Park Slope remained unconscious/asleep in the transom till the police came.
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Thu Jul 26, 07 11:29 am EST
raw wrote:
What's up with being bi-polar? I've been hearing more and more about more people being bi-polar and needing to be medicated. How common is manic-depression?
Raw, I believe bipolar affects about 1 in every 100 people. So not THAT uncommon.
A possible reason you're suddenly hearing about bipolar more often, I would bet, is because a few new drugs have recently come on the market and are being pushed hard in advertising by pharma companies. An example is Abilify, which was previously used to treat schizophrenia, but later was approved to also treat acute manic phases of bipolar (very similar symptoms.) Since then, those ads have been everywhere. And before now, there were rarely ads for bipolar disorder in mainstream media. I think it's just raising awareness, and people feel like they're hearing about it more.
There have also been a lot of strides lately in diagnosing and recognizing bipolar disorder. It still can be very hard to diagnosis, because there are a number of different types of bipolar, each with their own set of symptoms. For years, I think it was severly UNDER-diagnosed, because it can be so hard to pinpoint. Whether it's now over-diagnosed is up for debate, but I think partly a lot more people are getting treatment that hadn't in the past, which is why you hear so much more now.
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Thu Jul 26, 07 11:48 am EST
Does anyone know if there is any video footage of this event?
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Thu Jul 26, 07 12:35 pm EST
Natascha wrote:
Does anyone know if there is any video footage of this event?
Natascha, what would you do with it? Are you a journalist, and is that why you pm-ed me about this and did not give any indication as to your intentions?
raw "Way Too Incestial"
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Thu Jul 26, 07 9:45 pm EST
Natascha wrote:
Does anyone know if there is any video footage of this event?
I do! I do! The bride is so exciting that I stood outside for hours recording her with my cell phone. I posted it on you tube -- click on the link below.
What's up with being bi-polar? I've been hearing more and more about more people being bi-polar and needing to be medicated. How common is manic-depression?
Raw, I believe bipolar affects about 1 in every 100 people. So not THAT uncommon.
A possible reason you're suddenly hearing about bipolar more often, I would bet, is because a few new drugs have recently come on the market and are being pushed hard in advertising by pharma companies. .
I saw a TV commercial for a drug for bipolar disorder tonight that gave me the impression that everyone is bipolar. On one hand, it's great to bring illnesses out into the open, kill any shame suffers might have, and give people the treatment they need. On the other hand, I hope everyone's not popping pills to avoid the reality of what some might believe to be a crappy world.
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Thu Jul 26, 07 11:10 pm EST
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It's good to have some electric freaks out there to create art and culture that cannot be produced by a "normal" mind.
I agree with this but I have to say that it's not good being the person without the "normal" mind. People who really are bipolar live their lives on an emotional roller coaster, constant ups and downs are very tiring. Even on a good combination of meds, you question every emotion, thought, and action. Did I do this because it's "normal" or because I'm bipolar? Am I sleeping too much because I'm tired or because I'm depressed? Am I just a little hyper or am I manic?
And there's no guarantee that the meds that are working now will continue to work for you. They can just stop working and you have to find others. You can't just take an antidepressant because that can cause you to become manic. You have to take the antidepressant as well as a mood stabilizer or antipsychotic. Sometimes you have to take 2 or 3 medications just to break even. Then there's a chance no medications or combination of meds work for you.
Bipolar Disorder is also not quite as accepted as people think. People have a hard time understanding someone who can't leave the house, let alone their bed, for a few days or a week. Or someone whose behavior is so erratic it seems they must be coked up. Or someone who is so manic they spend their rent money on shoes and other crap they don't need. People still say things like, "Have you ever tried not being bipolar?" It's not fun. _________________ A man needs a little madness, or else he never dares cut the rope and be free. -Nikos Kazantzakis
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