Welcome to the neighborhood. We're all glad to have you. I can tell you feel comfortable and safe here because you have lived in your newly renovated first floor apartment for 2 months now and yet have not put up curtains in your bathroom.
As a result, while sitting on my couch in the evenings, or when working in my yard, or while having guests over for a beer on the back patio, I get treated to the sight of your bare ass as you sit down on your toilet right by the window.
If you could just get curtains and put the matter to rest, we would all appreciate it. It's a big crowded city and some boundaries are always appreciated.
Thanks,
Your neighbors on St Marks Ave who really don't want to see your bare white asses anymore.
[mod note: edited to include reference to "racial preferences in curtains" thread] _________________ Don't you have something better to do?
armchair_warrior retsop cixelsyd
Joined: 23 Dec 2005 Posts: 5857 Location: boondocks
Sun Apr 13, 08 11:45 pm EST
pictures or it didn't happen :p. _________________ Fight white guilt and injustice by going to a Native American casino and gamble your money away.
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Maybe a similarly-worded note on the front door of this person's building would get his attention?
brooklynboy3 Regular
Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Posts: 151
Mon Apr 14, 08 10:34 am EST
renoQueen wrote:
Hi New Neighbors on Prospect Place,
Welcome to the neighborhood. We're all glad to have you. I can tell you feel comfortable and safe here because you have lived in your newly renovated first floor apartment for 2 months now and yet have not put up curtains in your bathroom.
As a result, while sitting on my couch in the evenings, or when working in my yard, or while having guests over for a beer on the back patio, I get treated to the sight of your bare ass as you sit down on your toilet right by the window.
If interested, you can refer to past posts in which issues of race are discussed in regards to Curtains vs No Curtains. You, being white are confirming the racial preference for No Curtains. As a fellow white person I too prefer to leave my windows with a more open feel. But, propriety requires that the bathroom be an exception to this rule.
If you could just get curtains and put the matter to rest, we would all appreciate it. It's a big crowded city and some boundaries are always appreciated.
Thanks,
Your neighbors on St Marks Ave who really don't want to see your bare white asses anymore.
Wow!!!
I am amazed this message was not screened out.
It is condescending, racist and not in tune what is supposed to be the spirit of this board.
I for one, could respond in a very strong and unpleasant manner to align with the poster but I have too much respect for the board to do that.
(Should the poster and ever meet, I will be more pointed in my response...)
Best regards,
H _________________ "She watched him turn and walk out of the park, and she wondered about him all of the rest of the day, this strange man with the intense look, who stood in the middle of the park, in love with it."
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renoQueen boondoggled by Cat
Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 29
Mon Apr 14, 08 10:56 am EST
I was trying to be funny, though a little irritation came through. I meant no harm, dear 'hoodies!
The Curtains vs No Curtains debate regarding race was merely a social observation discussed in this forum a while back. (Can anyone find it and add?)
Other posters noted that new residents, mostly young white hipsters had a penchant for lying spreadeagled in their bedrooms with no curtains. Other noted that residents who have had a longer stake in the neighborhood and are more likely to be black, seemed to prefer heavily curtained windows for privacy. I think there is probably a historical context relating to race and experience that makes one want more privacy. It's not across the board, just a phenomenon that will fade as social conditions become more equitable across race and neighborhood's become safer.
If you were to visit Amsterdam, for instance, you might imagine that the Dutch don't even have the word "curtain" in their vocabulary. _________________ Don't you have something better to do?
armchair_warrior retsop cixelsyd
Joined: 23 Dec 2005 Posts: 5857 Location: boondocks
Mon Apr 14, 08 10:57 am EST
i still say take some pics and post them and shame them. _________________ Fight white guilt and injustice by going to a Native American casino and gamble your money away.
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dailyheights Honorary Fellow
Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 3622 Location: Prospect Heights State of Mind
Mon Apr 14, 08 11:03 am EST
the concern is that this post may be racist. sounds like maybe this was a reference to a previous (hopefully humorous) discussion that involved curtains and race ... and a perhaps not-so-great attempt at making a clever reference to it.
perhaps someone can dig up that thread and link it to the post so it's clear that you are making reference to a previous post? _________________ HOT BOARD | NEW YORK'S BEST THREADS
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Mamacita Stuck in the middle with you
Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 7720
Mon Apr 14, 08 11:52 am EST
I remember that curtain thread! It was hilarious
It's become a running joke in my household.
armchair_warrior retsop cixelsyd
Joined: 23 Dec 2005 Posts: 5857 Location: boondocks
i win at google :p. _________________ Fight white guilt and injustice by going to a Native American casino and gamble your money away.
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renoQueen boondoggled by Cat
Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 29
Mon Apr 14, 08 12:13 pm EST
Armchair Warrior, You are really good at finding...I found squat when I tried to find this old thread.
HOWEVER, it's not the exact thread I was thinking of. The one i recall, was specifically about race and nudity and curtains and such.
Does anyone remember this? _________________ Don't you have something better to do?
Carnivore Brooklyn Snark
Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Posts: 13712 Location: St Johns Pl and Underhill
Joined: 23 Dec 2005 Posts: 5857 Location: boondocks
Mon Apr 14, 08 12:25 pm EST
doh lol i got pwn. should of read the whole thread. i just read the nakedness and thought it was it. _________________ Fight white guilt and injustice by going to a Native American casino and gamble your money away.
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Last edited by armchair_warrior on Mon Apr 14, 08 12:31 pm; edited 1 time in total
Carnivore Brooklyn Snark
Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Posts: 13712 Location: St Johns Pl and Underhill
Mon Apr 14, 08 12:30 pm EST
armchair_warrior wrote:
doh lol i got pwn
lol or osmethne.
armchair_warrior retsop cixelsyd
Joined: 23 Dec 2005 Posts: 5857 Location: boondocks
Mon Apr 14, 08 12:36 pm EST
Carnivore wrote:
armchair_warrior wrote:
doh lol i got pwn
lol or osmethne.
unrelated note. i think i'm one of the very first to use osmethne back in 99. on a message board. i kept typing the typo. and some kid thought it was funny as hell spread from there. i didn't notice the typo. _________________ Fight white guilt and injustice by going to a Native American casino and gamble your money away.
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Carnivore Brooklyn Snark
Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Posts: 13712 Location: St Johns Pl and Underhill
Mon Apr 14, 08 1:36 pm EST
armchair_warrior wrote:
Carnivore wrote:
armchair_warrior wrote:
doh lol i got pwn
lol or osmethne.
unrelated note. i think i'm one of the very first to use osmethne back in 99. on a message board. i kept typing the typo. and some kid thought it was funny as hell spread from there. i didn't notice the typo.
I know, you told us before. That's why I used it on you.
So back to curtains and race or osmethne...
queencallipygos Bruce Ratner's Love Child
Joined: 26 Jul 2006 Posts: 791 Location: Ft. Greene
Mon Apr 14, 08 1:40 pm EST
(reads linked thread)
....wow.
You know, I really wish I'd known about that thread then, as I could have gleefully thrown a whole monkey wrench into things by asking people where the concept of "lace-curtain Irish" fit into the whole curtains-and-ethnicity discussion.
renoQueen boondoggled by Cat
Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 29
Mon Apr 14, 08 2:38 pm EST
Thank you, moderator for adding the original thread! I just re-read it and still find it a hilarious snapshot of the neighborhood and era. It should be put in a time capsule or something. Race, privacy, nudity, curtains, sex...fantastic!
ProspectHeightsGirl where are you? Maybe you can coach your neighbors? _________________ Don't you have something better to do?
RBG Local
Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 286
Tue Apr 15, 08 2:33 pm EST
Hi..Its RBG...the original poster of the "black people like curtains, white people don't" hypothesis. I stand firmly behind my original observation as it pertains to Prospect Heights. A quick walk down St. Johns place will enable you to peer into the really nice, newly updated apartments of the new people, who in these cases, happen to be white. Why don't we do an informal study? Next time you pass an apartment without curtains, take a peek a make note of the ethnicity of its inhabitants. I bet you'll find that my premise is indeed, true.
queencallipygos Bruce Ratner's Love Child
Joined: 26 Jul 2006 Posts: 791 Location: Ft. Greene
Tue Apr 15, 08 2:45 pm EST
RBG wrote:
Hi..Its RBG...the original poster of the "black people like curtains, white people don't" hypothesis. I stand firmly behind my original observation as it pertains to Prospect Heights. A quick walk down St. Johns place will enable you to peer into the really nice, newly updated apartments of the new people, who in these cases, happen to be white. Why don't we do an informal study? Next time you pass an apartment without curtains, take a peek a make note of the ethnicity of its inhabitants. I bet you'll find that my premise is indeed, true.
....I can't believe I'm really going to get to do this...
RBG, where does the existance of "lace curtain Irish" fit into your premise? Assuming your presence is true, does this indicate that the Irish, since there is the adage that they are fond of lace curtains, are actually ethnically black?
RBG Local
Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 286
Tue Apr 15, 08 2:48 pm EST
Queen...it fits into my premise perfectly...haven't you heard of the Black Irish?
queencallipygos Bruce Ratner's Love Child
Joined: 26 Jul 2006 Posts: 791 Location: Ft. Greene
Tue Apr 15, 08 2:48 pm EST
RBG wrote:
Queen...it fits into my premise perfectly...haven't you heard of the Black Irish?
In all seriousness -- do you know what the term "black Irish" actually means?
brooklynboy3 Regular
Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Posts: 151
Tue Apr 15, 08 3:13 pm EST
do tell...
H _________________ "She watched him turn and walk out of the park, and she wondered about him all of the rest of the day, this strange man with the intense look, who stood in the middle of the park, in love with it."
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RBG Local
Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 286
Tue Apr 15, 08 3:18 pm EST
Since the mid-18th century there were small numbers of black people resident in Ireland, mainly concentrated in the major towns, especially Dublin. Many of those in the 18th century were servants of wealthy families. Slavery as such did not exist in Britain[citation needed] or Ireland at this date, although the legal position remained unclear until a judgement of 1772: Somersett's Case. Other people of colour were tradesmen, soldiers, traveling artists or musicians. Never very numerous, most of them were assimilated into the larger population by the second third of the 19th century.
queencallipygos Bruce Ratner's Love Child
Joined: 26 Jul 2006 Posts: 791 Location: Ft. Greene
Tue Apr 15, 08 4:55 pm EST
RBG wrote:
Since the mid-18th century there were small numbers of black people resident in Ireland, mainly concentrated in the major towns, especially Dublin. Many of those in the 18th century were servants of wealthy families. Slavery as such did not exist in Britain[citation needed] or Ireland at this date, although the legal position remained unclear until a judgement of 1772: Somersett's Case. Other people of colour were tradesmen, soldiers, traveling artists or musicians. Never very numerous, most of them were assimilated into the larger population by the second third of the 19th century.
that's as may be.
But the term "black Irish" is actually of United States origin, and was actually coined to refer to "an Irish person with black hair", because a black-haired Irish person bucked the "all Irish folk have red hair" stereotype. They even had a whole tale spun to explain the origin of black-haired Irish people, stating that they had been sired by sailors from the Spanish Armada who had swum to safety in Ireland during a battle with the English navy in the 1600's and took refuge among the fellow British-hating Irish.
Of course, the real reason why you will find Irish people with black hair is due to the much more mundane explanation that, well, there have ALWAYS been black-haired Irishmen, and the stereotype that "all Irish folk have red hair" is a myth.
The moral: it's usually incorrect to attribute a single trait to an entire class of people. Like "all Irishmen have red hair." Or, "white people don't use curtains."
RBG Local
Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 286
Tue Apr 15, 08 6:15 pm EST
I never said "ALL white people don't use curtains."
vanilla Carneviento Devotee
Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Posts: 1434
Tue Apr 15, 08 9:13 pm EST
i love how the posts are currently ordered:::
1.) Is this apartment worth $645K?
2.) Can you put Curtains on your Bathroom Window Please?
3.) Bikini Wax
4.) post your MISSED CONNECTION here
sterling2000 CIO, Outdated Theatrics, Inc.
Joined: 22 Jun 2005 Posts: 600 Location: The intersection of Blight Street and Gentrification Avenue.
Wed Apr 16, 08 12:52 am EST
vanilla wrote:
i love how the posts are currently ordered:::
1.) Is this apartment worth $645K?
2.) Can you put Curtains on your Bathroom Window Please?
3.) Bikini Wax
4.) post your MISSED CONNECTION here
Or, in sum:
1.) Another discussion of gentrification and class
2.) Another discussion of race
3.) Seemingly useful info for approximately 50% of local residents
4.) Uhhhhh...there must be a New York Magazine article in here somewhere _________________ "The jawbone of an ass is just as dangerous a weapon today as in Sampson's time."
--- Richard Nixon
armchair_warrior retsop cixelsyd
Joined: 23 Dec 2005 Posts: 5857 Location: boondocks
Wed Apr 16, 08 12:54 am EST
somebody probably is gonna write that article soon. since ph and ps is full of writers. _________________ Fight white guilt and injustice by going to a Native American casino and gamble your money away.
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sterling2000 CIO, Outdated Theatrics, Inc.
Joined: 22 Jun 2005 Posts: 600 Location: The intersection of Blight Street and Gentrification Avenue.
Wed Apr 16, 08 12:57 am EST
armchair_warrior wrote:
somebody probably is gonna write that article soon. since ph and ps is full of writers.
No wonder "Artists, Writers, Actors and Musicians" are starving... _________________ "The jawbone of an ass is just as dangerous a weapon today as in Sampson's time."
--- Richard Nixon
renoQueen boondoggled by Cat
Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 29
Sat Apr 26, 08 8:05 am EST
They got curtains!
And they all lived happily ever after. _________________ Don't you have something better to do?
Putnam-denizen Failing to be less grumpy
Joined: 22 Jul 2007 Posts: 251 Location: Clinton Hill
Sat Apr 26, 08 11:50 am EST
I thought Black Irish referred to the descendents of Spanish sailors shipwrecked off the Irish coast after losing a sea battle with the English in the 17th (?) century.
And it took this long for them to get curtains?
Brooke Lynn Knight Coffee Shop Regular
Joined: 06 Mar 2007 Posts: 276
Sat Apr 26, 08 8:16 pm EST
I joke with my husband (Irish all the way on both parents' sides) about the two kinds of Irish:
"Lace-Curtain Irish"
(Irish who dare to put on airs and put curtains in their window, aping the bourgeoisie)
and
"Pig-in-the-Parlor Irish"
(Muddy-shoed farm folk who can't adjust to 'civilized' life)
It's funny now, but back when those terms were actually used seriously, I don't think we would have been laughing... _________________ i blame such comments on boredom and drinkng, this is why we need more green spaces
-- Karl the Druid
I have to admit, I am guilty of nekkidness and insufficient curtainage, and as a non-skinny white girl, I'm keeping the stereotype alive. I have some filmy curtains that don't really hide jack, and it's more comfortable to lounge around with very little on, especially in the spring & summer. It's not that I don't have sympathy for the ppl across the street, I'm just too lazy to get more window dressing. And sometimes the Polish dudes that work in the bakery stare at me when I sit in the window smoking, which I don't really care for. I do put on something before doing that though. Then brats walk by and think it's a funny joke to yell, "Don't jump!" because I'm sitting on the windowsill.
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lol i got pwn. should of read the whole thread. 
i just read the nakedness and thought it was it.
I have some filmy curtains that don't really hide jack, and it's more comfortable to lounge around with very little on, especially in the spring & summer. It's not that I don't have sympathy for the ppl across the street, I'm just too lazy to get more window dressing. And sometimes the Polish dudes that work in the bakery stare at me when I sit in the window smoking, which I don't really care for. I do put on something before doing that though. Then brats walk by and think it's a funny joke to yell, "Don't jump!" because I'm sitting on the windowsill.