Joined: 01 Nov 2005 Posts: 210 Location: prospect place & underhill
Tue Sep 30, 08 11:31 pm EST
for me seven
fucking seven times on my 5 block walk to the park for my run.
and there were these little kids standing in the bike lane trying to flag people down as they ran.
im seriously thinking about getting a hat made online that says "no im not fucking jewish"
oh new york you find new ways to annoy the shit out of me on a daily basis
okay im better now
dapearl9 Haberdasher
Joined: 10 Jun 2008 Posts: 206 Location: Crown Heights - New York Ave
Tue Sep 30, 08 11:56 pm EST
Last year on the Jewish New Year I was running to the park and by the museum a group of about 3 Hasidim hanging around. With my curly hair I get the Jewish question all the time and I could see them scoping me out so I was getting my, "Nope, sorry" response ready (I don't know why I apologize, but whatever). And sure enough one of them asks me, "Excuse me, are you Jewish" and before I can even say anything one of his friends looks at the questioneer with disdain and says, "C'mon [name], really? He's running."
It kept me amused for the rest of my run.
whynot_31 Benevolent dictator
Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 6161 Location: Prospect Heights
Wed Oct 01, 08 12:01 am EST
I was asked twice, but look at the events much differently.
First time, the man approached me and was about to ask, but I preempted him and stated "No, but Happy New Year". He responded back "I was going to ask you if you were a wonderful person". I replied "Thanks" and went down the steps to Eastern Parkway Station...
Second time, Orthodox man begins his approach. I smile and shake my head, "no" before he asks. I then ask him "are you?". He says "am I what?" ...I respond "Jewish?". He laughs, rolls his eyes, and says "yes", and I say "Happy New Year".
...oh new york, I find new ways to amuse myself at you everyday.
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Karl the Druid on facebook i am now
Joined: 18 Aug 2006 Posts: 935 Location: nethermead
Wed Oct 01, 08 12:15 am EST
i've been told i don't look druish _________________ destination: roam
sneakyonstmarks Te Quiero Tanto!
Joined: 21 Feb 2008 Posts: 748 Location: PH
Wed Oct 01, 08 1:12 am EST
Shana Tova, i know that there are many self hating Jews out there, i am not one of them. Proud to be one of the tribe, so happy Fucking New year, the best is yet to come and for all of you non Jews, well i wish you all the same..
Sneaky!! _________________ The life that has borne me me through these years is still in my hands and in my eyes. Wether i have subdued it, i know not. But so long as it is there it will seek its own way out, heedless of the will that is within me. Erich Maria Remarque
Fjord Agitator
Joined: 18 May 2007 Posts: 196 Location: Prospect/Washington
Wed Oct 01, 08 9:23 am EST
Happy New Year to all as well.
So I was asked 4 times. Once leaving the 2,3 at Eastern Parkway/Brooklyn Museum, and 3 times while cycling in the park. One dude sorta jumped right in my path, "excuse me, sir!" and I was like "dude, i am climbing a hill right now!" _________________ "The eagle never lost so much time as when he submitted to learn of the crow."
William Blake
brooklynpotter ceramme ceramma danna
Joined: 11 May 2006 Posts: 4015 Location: near the square that's a circle
Wed Oct 01, 08 9:54 am EST
i was asked once: when i hit south slope while walking back from sunset park. two very young--like maybe 20--hasidic guys (one with a prayer book, one with a shofar) walked by, looked at the red curly hair, doubled back to ask.
i always tell them i'm not, then wish them a happy holiday. it's far easier even though i am (though ethnically, atheist non-practicing anything), because i don't feel like having to turn down prayers, invites, etc... but at least these two were friendly. it makes me nuts when they're not _________________ what would you tell me, if i could hear you speaking?--t.r.
stewart Regular
Joined: 01 Oct 2008 Posts: 97 Location: Eastern Parkway
Wed Oct 01, 08 10:33 am EST
Three.
I grew up in Philadelphia where there's like one Jew for every 5 million Catholics. And I think they're all Conservative. Which is a long way around way of saying: Why are they asking?
brooklynpotter ceramme ceramma danna
Joined: 11 May 2006 Posts: 4015 Location: near the square that's a circle
Wed Oct 01, 08 10:36 am EST
it's rosh hashanah, and they want you to hear the prayers and the blowing of the shofar (a ram's horn). i believe (and i could be wrong) that hearing the horn is a necessity.
it's the lubavitch hasidim who are approaching you, the most lenient of all hasidim and the only ones who prosletize (sp?). they're the ones who run chabad. _________________ what would you tell me, if i could hear you speaking?--t.r.
Underhill_MT Master of Unenlightenment
Joined: 10 Jan 2008 Posts: 321 Location: Park Pl
Wed Oct 01, 08 10:42 am EST
Yeah, brooklynpotter is right. It's the Lubuvitch crew that go out and ask if folks are jewish. They're the charismatic lenient (so to speak) hasidim who strive to encourage all jews to come back to the fold and embrace the teachings of the rebbe.
I am a jew, technically speaking, but I always say, "No, but Shana Tova and have a beautiful day." This year I've been met with a lot of smiles and enthusiastic "You, too!"s unlike most years when as soon as I say no I get a cold sholder and a turned back. This morning at the Grand Army Plaza 2/3 stop the man from yesterday morning recognized me and said "I hope today is more beautiful than yesterday for you!" It's so refreshing to not be immediately ignored when I (lie) say I'm not jewish.
Happy New Year all! _________________ Be the change you want to see in the... neighborhood.
I always feel kinda flattered when I get asked, for some reason. Your response is great, Underhill_MT!
poppy13 Insider
Joined: 11 Nov 2006 Posts: 357 Location: Prospect Place/Classon
Wed Oct 01, 08 11:59 am EST
stupid question here... is this a new thing?
Underhill_MT Master of Unenlightenment
Joined: 10 Jan 2008 Posts: 321 Location: Park Pl
Wed Oct 01, 08 12:25 pm EST
apollonia666 wrote:
I always feel kinda flattered when I get asked, for some reason. Your response is great, Underhill_MT!
Thanks! I prefer being asked if I'm jewish to being asked if I have "a minute for the environment" or the like. Invariably they always want money... the Lubavitch guys just want your soul! _________________ Be the change you want to see in the... neighborhood.
sterling2000 CIO, Outdated Theatrics, Inc.
Joined: 22 Jun 2005 Posts: 600 Location: The intersection of Blight Street and Gentrification Avenue.
Wed Oct 01, 08 12:57 pm EST
I picked up a great standard response that is a generic enough to use whether it is Jewish guys or one of those pro-insert-cause clipboard folks all over Manhattan:
Question: "Excuse me sir, are you Jewish?"
Question: "Hi, there! Do you have a few minutes for gay rights?"
Question: "Have a few seconds for the environment today?"
Answer: "Nope, but I'm a big fan."
(usually elicits a response of brief confusion before they move on to the next target) _________________ "The jawbone of an ass is just as dangerous a weapon today as in Sampson's time."
--- Richard Nixon
belzjm Carneviento Devotee
Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 1366
Wed Oct 01, 08 5:41 pm EST
feel free to use my stock response to the guy who hangs out on 7th avenue and has literally asked me 600 times in the last year...
him: "you jewish sir?"
me: "no, are you?"
at least i get to walk away with a smile...
sneakyonstmarks Te Quiero Tanto!
Joined: 21 Feb 2008 Posts: 748 Location: PH
Wed Oct 01, 08 5:54 pm EST
At least they are not missionaries trying to steal away your culture and identity ..!! _________________ The life that has borne me me through these years is still in my hands and in my eyes. Wether i have subdued it, i know not. But so long as it is there it will seek its own way out, heedless of the will that is within me. Erich Maria Remarque
flux Insider
Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Posts: 366
Wed Oct 01, 08 8:43 pm EST
They asked me as well. At my place of work. I work at a hospital and they came to my office and asked me if im jewish. I told them i was and they said if i know of any other doctors who are jewish. I told them my boss is. They said that they keep on getting turned down by him and they asked me if i wanted to hear the shofar.
I said "sure...but only if you blow it right outside my bosses office". they agreed. we stood by the office as the other doctors walked by looking confused as the rabbi blew the horn. after a minute or so I heard foot steps walking toward the door and then I heard my boss slam the door shut.
I had a huge smile on my face all day.....
brooklynlager Regular
Joined: 10 Mar 2008 Posts: 107 Location: washington and st marks
Wed Oct 01, 08 9:06 pm EST
sterling2000 wrote:
Question: "Have a few seconds for the environment today?"
Answer: "Nope, but I'm a big fan."
(usually elicits a response of brief confusion before they move on to the next target)
I use to be the guy who asked that question when i first moved to NYC....fun job, could only take it for so long though.
bobbybrummel lurker
Joined: 08 Jan 2007 Posts: 206 Location: north 11238
Thu Oct 02, 08 12:09 am EST
zero this year, but i used to get it all the time when i had a hasidic sized beard. i've found all of the questioners, chabadniks, environmentalists, etc, really hate it when your response is to try and hug them. the only thing worse than a stranger badgering you for money/soul is a stranger trying to touch you. _________________ I've done a lot of lying in my time. I've lied to men who wear belts. I've lied to men who wear suspenders. But I'd never be so stupid as to lie to a man who wears both belt and suspenders.
withachaser Regular
Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 161 Location: prospect
Thu Oct 02, 08 12:15 am EST
4x today. 3 in bk, 1 in midtown. twice yesterday. lately, i've been answering, with a warm smile to the assertive young men, 'thanks for asking! in fact, i'm lesbian.' none of them have bothered to ascertain, after that, whether or not i'm also a jew. if i'm feeling particularly ironic/friendly/sadistic/jewish, i'll follow it with "l'shana tovah, to you and yours." the reactions often keep me entertained enough to avoid being irritable with them.
Lo Kee Bruce Ratner's Love Child
Joined: 17 Jul 2008 Posts: 602 Location: HOT BIRD
Thu Oct 02, 08 12:28 am EST
withachaser wrote:
4x today. 3 in bk, 1 in midtown. twice yesterday. lately, i've been answering, with a warm smile to the assertive young men, 'thanks for asking! in fact, i'm lesbian.' none of them have bothered to ascertain, after that, whether or not i'm also a jew. if i'm feeling particularly ironic/friendly/sadistic/jewish, i'll follow it with "l'shana tovah, to you and yours." the reactions often keep me entertained enough to avoid being irritable with them.
Lesbian lesbian or experimenting undergraduate lesbian? _________________ giggity giggity
withachaser Regular
Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 161 Location: prospect
Thu Oct 02, 08 12:56 am EST
as an undergrad twenty years ago, i experimented heterosexually. when i do it now, it's probably more about disaffection or opportunism or curiosity
The Invisible Lines Regular
Joined: 16 Jul 2008 Posts: 51
Thu Oct 02, 08 10:00 am EST
belzjm wrote:
feel free to use my stock response to the guy who hangs out on 7th avenue and has literally asked me 600 times in the last year...
him: "you jewish sir?"
me: "no, are you?"
at least i get to walk away with a smile...
I know exactly who you mean. I though maybe he couldn't see very well because he was hanging out in front of Ozzie's on 7th and Lincoln and by the time I went inside, got a coffee, and came out, he'd asked me THREE times. By the third time I just had to laugh and said, "Nope, still not Jewish."
This year I've gotten asked about 5 times. I always get hit walking from the Franklin stop to the Jewish Hospital (how appropriate). I was wearing my giant can headphones yesterday and an older guy approached and I politely said "I'm not Jewish," but he kept looking at me and smiling, so I took off my headphones to hear what he was saying to me, which was "I just wanted to say hello!" I replied by wishing him a happy New Year, but really thought "Yeah right, dude." He was chipper about it, though, so whatever. At least I didn't respond to him the way I responded to that guy in the Union Square station who wears the "Jesus Saves From Hell" t-shirt, which was by saying "Fuck off, asshole."
BKChickie Bagel Hole Girl
Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 738
Thu Oct 02, 08 10:03 am EST
Underhill_MT wrote:
Yeah, brooklynpotter is right. It's the Lubuvitch crew that go out and ask if folks are jewish. They're the charismatic lenient (so to speak) hasidim who strive to encourage all jews to come back to the fold and embrace the teachings of the rebbe.
I am a jew, technically speaking, but I always say, "No, but Shana Tova and have a beautiful day." This year I've been met with a lot of smiles and enthusiastic "You, too!"s unlike most years when as soon as I say no I get a cold sholder and a turned back. This morning at the Grand Army Plaza 2/3 stop the man from yesterday morning recognized me and said "I hope today is more beautiful than yesterday for you!" It's so refreshing to not be immediately ignored when I (lie) say I'm not jewish.
Happy New Year all!
Happy New Year, indeed!
That was a great response! I was asked once yesterday, at GAP, by a pair of men. When I said "No." the man's response was "Well, have a great day." The entire interaction took, like, 5 seconds, and I really didn't mind. They had no handouts (which I HATE, because people take those handouts and end up flinging them all over the place). It's just part of living in a diverse borough, and I wouldn't want it any other way.
Although, once on a Friday night while walking on Vanderbilt, I was asked that question. My response was the same, but the response caught me by surprise: "Great! Can you help me push my son's carriage up to the corner?" Apparently the eruv hadn't been extended to the synagogue or had broken (I couldn't quite understand). Anyway, I was happy to help.
arches Bruce Ratner's Love Child
Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 745 Location: Sterling & Underhill
Thu Oct 02, 08 10:47 am EST
Any faith-based questioning is more than compensated for by the four joyous days when Jews and Muslims work in harmony to cancel alternate side of the street parking regulations!!
bobbybrummel lurker
Joined: 08 Jan 2007 Posts: 206 Location: north 11238
Thu Oct 02, 08 5:03 pm EST
The Invisible Lines wrote:
I was wearing my giant can headphones
you better be careful, man. you could get bomped on the back of the head for your sweet cans. _________________ I've done a lot of lying in my time. I've lied to men who wear belts. I've lied to men who wear suspenders. But I'd never be so stupid as to lie to a man who wears both belt and suspenders.
bobbybrummel lurker
Joined: 08 Jan 2007 Posts: 206 Location: north 11238
Wed Oct 08, 08 12:18 pm EST
did no one notice that we got blagged? http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/10/things_t....._say_to_jews_who_ask.html _________________ I've done a lot of lying in my time. I've lied to men who wear belts. I've lied to men who wear suspenders. But I'd never be so stupid as to lie to a man who wears both belt and suspenders.
Anytime I've been asked it's always by a pair of friendly young guys. I always say "nah sorry guys". I think I say "sorry" because they're obviously trying to find people who are, and they got a swing and a miss with asking me. I don't mind being asked about religion by strangers, except by the Jesus nutjobs who bombard me after I say "nope definitely not". After that it's nothing but "do you believe in God? WHY NOT? WHY DONT YOU FEEL YOU NEED A RELATIONSHIP WITH CHRIST? WHY DO YOU WANT TO GO TO HELL? JESUS WILL SAVE YOU! OMFG UR GOIN 2 HELL LOLZ!". Those folks I'd like to sometimes push down the steps to the subway. _________________ "the radio makes hideous sounds"
-bob dylan
Figures. _________________ Be the change you want to see in the... neighborhood.
supreme_ian "Anonymous Guest"
Joined: 10 Aug 2008 Posts: 462 Location: BKLYN
Wed Oct 08, 08 1:01 pm EST
i got asked if i was jewish once.. but then i took my hood off and showed my fitted hat and du rag and i think they realized i wasnt jewish ! _________________ hello.thank you.good bye.
"death to emo post whores"
my2cats Newbie
Joined: 12 Oct 2007 Posts: 46
Wed Oct 08, 08 9:35 pm EST
In college I was asked so much that I ended up getting involved with the local Rabbi and I got so much into it I even moved to Crown Heights and then become one of those who ask others.
It is really pushed in the schools for the students to go out and say prayers, give shabbos candles, and put on teffilin with the most amount of people possible.
That stuff does get very old and I am very happy to be out of that insulated community.
sneakyonstmarks Te Quiero Tanto!
Joined: 21 Feb 2008 Posts: 748 Location: PH
Wed Oct 08, 08 11:33 pm EST
Fuck, no boozing tonight, no food, no shower, no sex but it does not matter have not had sex since the ex, frustrating but used to it. I do have to atone for all the fucked up things i did in the last year and most of all ask g-d to give me strength to make the changes that i need to make in my life. Atonement will be!. _________________ The life that has borne me me through these years is still in my hands and in my eyes. Wether i have subdued it, i know not. But so long as it is there it will seek its own way out, heedless of the will that is within me. Erich Maria Remarque
BKChickie Bagel Hole Girl
Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 738
Thu Oct 16, 08 8:44 pm EST
Twice this evening.
I think that the most appropriate answer, no matter what, is "No." Some guy mentioned that his father was Jewish, his mother wasn't. A Lubavitcher just chased him into the gym trying to give him a pamphlet. Talk about inappropriate. Another guy wearing a yarmulke got followed by a pair of men across Flatbush (in traffic!) all the way to the subway. At that point, I think that I would have gotten on the train just to get away from them.
Smokin' Joe Synonymous Quest
Joined: 18 Oct 2005 Posts: 523
Thu Oct 16, 08 10:59 pm EST
i did yesterday. i just said yes, smiled and kept walking.
the fatal mistake is slowing down. _________________ "Great regular flavor."
queen_of_pies Regular
Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Posts: 62
Fri Oct 17, 08 12:52 pm EST
belzjm wrote:
feel free to use my stock response to the guy who hangs out on 7th avenue and has literally asked me 600 times in the last year...
him: "you jewish sir?"
me: "no, are you?"
at least i get to walk away with a smile...
I use a variation on this approach:
[him]:Are you Jewish
[me]: Are you?
[him]: Yes.
[me]: Really? How do you know?
...at this point I'm in control of the discussion and I make it as long or as short as I want. If the reply is "Because my mother is." I can reply "Well that may be what you've been told, but would it change anything if you found out that she wasn't?"
Or if I'm really ready to settle in I reply "Is having a Jewish mother all you need to be Jewish?"
And if I really want to put him through his paces I reply "My son is Jewish but his mother isn't. How can that be possible?" (trick question: we're a two-mom family and one of us is Catholic but we're raising the kids Jewish).
Underhill_MT Master of Unenlightenment
Joined: 10 Jan 2008 Posts: 321 Location: Park Pl
Fri Oct 17, 08 3:35 pm EST
Earlier in the week I was asked while I was walking home from the 2/3...
I said, "No, but have a wonderful sukkot!" The 2 young dudes were so grateful and smiley about having someone tell them to enjoy their holiday they almost didn't know what to say. The one guy said, "Just out of curiosity, what number were we for you today?" When I told him he was just the second he said he felt kinda special. Ha! It was a funny, little cross-cultural exchange that didn't result in me running away or them giving me the cold shoulder. A nice, lighthearted exchange between people who would probably otherwise never have come into contact. _________________ Be the change you want to see in the... neighborhood.
daver who is you is
Joined: 15 Apr 2007 Posts: 3591 Location: the land of the smiling knives
Fri Oct 17, 08 3:40 pm EST
withachaser wrote:
4x today. 3 in bk, 1 in midtown. twice yesterday. lately, i've been answering, with a warm smile to the assertive young men, 'thanks for asking! in fact, i'm lesbian.' none of them have bothered to ascertain, after that, whether or not i'm also a jew. if i'm feeling particularly ironic/friendly/sadistic/jewish, i'll follow it with "l'shana tovah, to you and yours." the reactions often keep me entertained enough to avoid being irritable with them.
I like this one. I'm gonna try the lesbian thing next time too! _________________ "It's only as boring as you make it."
You're making me want to poke my eyes out with a spoon. Stop that.
Bringing the term thin-skinned to a whole new level!
stacey Beyond Karma
Joined: 01 Mar 2005 Posts: 3138 Location: Underhill Ave.
Fri Oct 17, 08 3:43 pm EST
Underhill_MT wrote:
Earlier in the week I was asked while I was walking home from the 2/3...
I said, "No, but have a wonderful sukkot!" The 2 young dudes were so grateful and smiley about having someone tell them to enjoy their holiday they almost didn't know what to say. The one guy said, "Just out of curiosity, what number were we for you today?" When I told him he was just the second he said he felt kinda special. Ha! It was a funny, little cross-cultural exchange that didn't result in me running away or them giving me the cold shoulder. A nice, lighthearted exchange between people who would probably otherwise never have come into contact.
LOL I have been getting them pretty much every day during the holiday at GAP. As soon as they start approaching me and before they even ask I say "Nope but enjoy your holiday" and I get a nice giggle and a thank you from them. They seem to be nice young men and not at all pushy with me.
elitt Regular
Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 97
Mon Oct 20, 08 11:00 am EST
Listen...Jews and non-Jews alike...native NY'ers and Newcomers...there is a reason you are ASKED if you are Jewish in these situations.
One of the tenants of Jewish code and law is that Jewish people of all 'levels' of faith are commanded NOT to convert, or proselytize to the general public...that is why people are asked if they are Jewish.
It's a basic law and custom almost all Jews, regardless of whether or not they are Reform, Conservative, Orthodox or Hassidic, follow.
If the answer is 'no' the conversation ends. No proselytizing! Get it?
This happens during the 'High Holidays and other times of the year like Hannuka...light the menorica...it's time for Hannukah...sing along with me.
Please note, this is not written 'in defense' of the Hassidic community, nor do I condone everything that goes on within that community. The post is written only to clarify why, in certain situations, people are asked if they are Jewish.
brooklynpotter wrote:
it's rosh hashanah, and they want you to hear the prayers and the blowing of the shofar (a ram's horn). i believe (and i could be wrong) that hearing the horn is a necessity.
it's the lubavitch hasidim who are approaching you, the most lenient of all hasidim and the only ones who prosletize (sp?). they're the ones who run chabad.
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Smokin' Joe Synonymous Quest
Joined: 18 Oct 2005 Posts: 523
Mon Oct 20, 08 7:39 pm EST
well they certainly proselytize, but only to other jews. so you're right about that part. still, they proselytize big time. a huge part of what they do is recover lapsed jews. (see any post on this board by rabbi ari.)
another part of the rationale, i think, is that it's a mitzvah for jews to do certain things at certain times, e.g. recite the blessing for succot. according to my understanding of hasidism (which is admittedly superficial, so anyone who knows should feel free to correct me), the more jews performing the more mitzvot, the sooner the messiah comes.
as any mathematician will tell you, god is in the numbers. _________________ "Great regular flavor."
elitt Regular
Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 97
Tue Oct 21, 08 10:40 am EST
agreed / well stated
Smokin' Joe wrote:
well they certainly proselytize, but only to other jews. so you're right about that part. still, they proselytize big time. a huge part of what they do is recover lapsed jews. (see any post on this board by rabbi ari.)
another part of the rationale, i think, is that it's a mitzvah for jews to do certain things at certain times, e.g. recite the blessing for succot. according to my understanding of hasidism (which is admittedly superficial, so anyone who knows should feel free to correct me), the more jews performing the more mitzvot, the sooner the messiah comes.
as any mathematician will tell you, god is in the numbers.
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