So there are lots of greats businesses on Vanderbilt, and a growing number on Franklin, but just a smattering on Washington. Why is Washington so retarded?
Carnivore Brooklyn Snark
Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Posts: 13712 Location: St Johns Pl and Underhill
Sun Nov 15, 09 9:58 pm EST
The Islands
Tom's
Sit and Wonder
Washington Commons
Gen
3D's
Taqueria De Los Muertos
Prospect Pond
Rawstar
Udom
Cafe Shane
I'd say there's quite a few businesses to be happy about on Washington.
xlizellx Ninja
Joined: 10 Jul 2008 Posts: 855 Location: Park Place
Sun Nov 15, 09 11:03 pm EST
I was just about to say all those places are great plus Way Station is opening up soon and there's a legit sports bar on Washington too while Franklin has a club/restaurant/sports bar (95S) and Vanderbilt has a restaurant/regular bar/sports bar (Plan B).
catwalkertexasranger Local
Joined: 30 Jun 2009 Posts: 293
Sun Nov 15, 09 11:44 pm EST
Teddy's, great chicken or pork souvlaki. Gino"s pizza good pie still 10 bucks, Postal/shipping place nice people and good hours. Half Court, good sports bar,extra clean bathrooms. Not to mention a couple of nice clothing shops.
vanilla Carneviento Devotee
Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Posts: 1434
Sun Nov 15, 09 11:59 pm EST
the traffic on washington with its 4 lanes will always make it seem a bit less fancy.
raisedeyebrow Regular
Joined: 28 Aug 2007 Posts: 105 Location: Park and Underhill
Mon Nov 16, 09 12:24 am EST
We go out on Washington as much as we do on Vandy if not more and We live on Underhill so it isnt a convenience bias. In fact, we probably cater Washington more often. Some real quality places in different price ranges. Can't beat Gen, my wife prefers Sit and..over Joyce, the taqueria is great and Udom holds its own. Wash commons is a great bar that i prefer over Plan B or Soda. Pretty decent wine/liquor store. However, I dont get my hair cut at any of the 500 barber shops and the grocery is inferior to Met.
Viva Washington!
I agree that Vandy Looks a little nicer though. The medians will make a big difference once and if the trees grow and they are maintained well. _________________ Have character, don't be a character.
The Islands
Tom's
Sit and Wonder
Washington Commons
Gen
3D's
Taqueria De Los Muertos
Prospect Pond
Rawstar
Udom
Cafe Shane
I'd say there's quite a few businesses to be happy about on Washington.
Ortine
Ginger Root Cafe
and I got a menu for a place that is supposed to be opening between Sterling and Park, but I've forgotten the name.
WhyFi Staid and Dull
Joined: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 4450 Location: In the Groove
Mon Nov 16, 09 7:25 am EST
raisedeyebrow wrote:
...and the grocery is inferior to Met.
My wife is pretty excited about the renovations happening at NSA (formerly C-Town). She thinks it's going to be a legit grocery alternative. _________________ ...not that there's anything wrong with that.
brownie Regular
Joined: 20 Jan 2006 Posts: 101 Location: E. Pkwy
Mon Nov 16, 09 8:16 am EST
Where is this NSA grocery store? Is it new ownership? AND, I unfortunately need to drive down Washington twice a day & am in constant awe of the # of people who double park, making no effort to actually park their car even when they might even be blocking others from a legit. spot. I wish the traffic cops would ticket them. Or give them lessons in parallel parking.
WhyFi Staid and Dull
Joined: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 4450 Location: In the Groove
Mon Nov 16, 09 9:45 am EST
brownie wrote:
Where is this NSA grocery store? Is it new ownership?
Washington @ Prospect. I don't know about the ownership situation, but someone is pumping money in to the place. I haven't been in there in a couple months, but I think that most, if not all, of the refrigerators and freezers have been replaced along with new shelving. I think that they're going to be doing the floors and whatnot, too. _________________ ...not that there's anything wrong with that.
Carnivore Brooklyn Snark
Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Posts: 13712 Location: St Johns Pl and Underhill
Mon Nov 16, 09 9:47 am EST
WhyFi wrote:
brownie wrote:
Where is this NSA grocery store? Is it new ownership?
Washington @ Prospect. I don't know about the ownership situation, but someone is pumping money in to the place. I haven't been in there in a couple months, but I think that most, if not all, of the refrigerators and freezers have been replaced along with new shelving. I think that they're going to be doing the floors and whatnot, too.
It would be nice if they could renovate the exterior as well. I walk by that place all the time and never go in because it's so unappealing.
WhyFi Staid and Dull
Joined: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 4450 Location: In the Groove
Mon Nov 16, 09 9:52 am EST
I'm sure that they'll do something to increase curb appeal and let people know about the renovations happening inside...
I'm just glad that the wafting smells from the produce area don't push me back out the door anymore. _________________ ...not that there's anything wrong with that.
Cool The Kid Still in the hood like expensive cars
Joined: 16 Jan 2007 Posts: 715
Mon Nov 16, 09 11:35 am EST
Ugh...
They will really have to gut renovate the place....
I stopped bothering with items that had to be fresh at C-Town when I saw rotten produce on the floor. I dry heave just thinking about it.
Washington is a little grimy and could use some more trees. Plus it has those car repair shops up at the north end, and kind of a dead zone in the middle (between Atlantic and EP). But overall it is better than Franklin, and a viable alternative to Vanderbilt. _________________ "Is this really, the way it is?
Or a contract in our mutual interest?"
-Gang O' Fore
What's 3D's? _________________ "My main objective is to be professional but to kill him." - Mike Tyson
WhyFi Staid and Dull
Joined: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 4450 Location: In the Groove
Mon Nov 16, 09 12:38 pm EST
Cool The Kid wrote:
Ugh...
They will really have to gut renovate the place....
It looks like this is exactly what they're doing - I just took a walk through, I had to pick up a few things.
Right now, the produce section is gutted - new shelving is being taken off the flatbed and being installed today, it seems. All of the interior shelving for dry goods has been replaced. Matching refrigerated shelving for the meat section and dairy sections has been installed, too. New freezer cases, as well.
Floors are patchy and the lighting is still a tad depressing, but I'd be surprised if these issues aren't addressed. Overall, it does look pretty promising. _________________ ...not that there's anything wrong with that.
Axel Foley Regular
Joined: 18 Sep 2005 Posts: 188 Location: Park Place
Mon Nov 16, 09 12:48 pm EST
Yeah, this thread would have made sense about a year and a half ago. Since then, Washington has really improved. And I, too, am excited about the NSA renovations. Parts of it now look like a real grocery store, and hopefully all of it will at some point soon.
Carnivore Brooklyn Snark
Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Posts: 13712 Location: St Johns Pl and Underhill
Mon Nov 16, 09 1:39 pm EST
Hatemail wrote:
What's 3D's?
Caribbean place between Sterling and St Johns on the Crown Heights side of Washington. They have good patties. I've also had a tasty shrimp curry from there; it wasn't as good as the Islands, but I got it much quicker.
My wife is pretty excited about the renovations happening at NSA (formerly C-Town). She thinks it's going to be a legit grocery alternative.
Amen. That place was awful but it's coming around. New aisles, freezer/cooler cases.
BKChickie Bagel Hole Girl
Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 738
Mon Nov 16, 09 2:39 pm EST
I buy my non-perishables at NSA. It's a lot cheaper than the Key Foods on Flatbush or even the Met on Vanderbilt.
J0518 Crabby Native
Joined: 06 Oct 2005 Posts: 593 Location: Park Place
Mon Nov 16, 09 5:18 pm EST
While it hasn't gone through the ridiculous metamorphosis that 5th Ave. and Vanderbilt have gone through, that is not the Washington Ave. I remember when I first moved to Brooklyn in 2001. Not by a long shot.
jgregorie Local
Joined: 01 Nov 2005 Posts: 210 Location: prospect place & underhill
Mon Nov 16, 09 6:45 pm EST
I think the northern part of washington is much better than it was just few years ago. When you go south of tom's then it starts to get really crappy.
whynot_31 Benevolent dictator
Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 6160 Location: Prospect Heights
Mon Nov 16, 09 8:41 pm EST
....it is sooooo much better than it was in 2003. _________________ Hey you! Enlighten up.
Cool The Kid Still in the hood like expensive cars
Joined: 16 Jan 2007 Posts: 715
Mon Nov 16, 09 9:28 pm EST
whynot_31 wrote:
....it is sooooo much better than it was in 2003.
2003? Brooklyn existed back then??? _________________ "Is this really, the way it is?
Or a contract in our mutual interest?"
-Gang O' Fore
whynot_31 Benevolent dictator
Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 6160 Location: Prospect Heights
Mon Nov 16, 09 9:46 pm EST
yes, and Washington seemingly had all of the gunshots and crime that have now moved to Franklin and Nostrand.
...the block still has its dealers, but now things are more discreet. That's all I'm asking for, a little subtlety.
P.S. At least I'm not reminiscing about 1952, and doing it in ALL CAPS LIKE THE PEOPLE ON BROOKLYN BACK WHEN. _________________ Hey you! Enlighten up.
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Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 4981 Location: the jewish
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whynot_31 Benevolent dictator
Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 6160 Location: Prospect Heights
Mon Nov 16, 09 10:48 pm EST
SWEET TEA THAT IS EXCELLENT. EVERYTHING IS BETTER WITH SPARKLES AND JACK DANIELS.
GOD BLESS! I HOPE YOUR GRANDCHILDREN ARE WELL.
P.S. "New" places and things I enjoy on Washington:
OK, but not great, Thai food.
Good Sushi place.
Laid back Teddys for Greek food.
A neighborhood cake shop/baking supply store.
Being able to buy unexpired food at Key Food.
Beer Distributor.
An actual chain drugstore, Thiftyway, for prescriptions and shampoo.
A bank operated ATM.
Two places I wish would improve to match the new neighborhood:
1. Ginos pizza. (it's just wrong.)
2. Mayday Hardware. (please join the True Value or Ace alliances so you can get better products and pricing) _________________ Hey you! Enlighten up.
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Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 2987 Location: CrOwN hEiGhTs
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They may live and die never reaching them,
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whynot_31 Benevolent dictator
Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 6160 Location: Prospect Heights
I'm totally happy with the way Washington is right now, with Washington Commons, Sit and Wonder and Ortine's. A decent supermarket is all we need.
Vanderbilt is great, but they can have the endless stream over boutiques, bars, cafes, overpriced soggy designer sandwiches and three-deep streams of hipsters strolling around on the weekend.
A few less bodegas and a few more trees and it would be a great street.
I can't stand the bodega on Washington and Lincoln Place. I think they are really rude to everyone. _________________ "My main objective is to be professional but to kill him." - Mike Tyson
arrgh Newbie
Joined: 20 Nov 2009 Posts: 2
Fri Nov 20, 09 5:57 pm EST
did i miss something? gentrification = displacement of people. if you are rooting for gentrification you are rooting for the destruction of communities, homelessness, and poverty.
development can take place without gentrification. not to mention there is and has been for many years thriving businesses on washington. this isn't to say there isn't room for improvement, but you don't need to fuck over a community to develop an area (good way to do this - build as much affordable housing as condos and bullshit).
it may pain some that they have to walk a few blocks to buy their "vintage" 75 dollar sweater that was bought by the pound in the mid west.
catwalkertexasranger Local
Joined: 30 Jun 2009 Posts: 293
Fri Nov 20, 09 7:41 pm EST
arrgh wrote:
did i miss something? gentrification = displacement of people. if you are rooting for gentrification you are rooting for the destruction of communities, homelessness, and poverty.
development can take place without gentrification. not to mention there is and has been for many years thriving businesses on washington. this isn't to say there isn't room for improvement, but you don't need to fuck over a community to develop an area (good way to do this - build as much affordable housing as condos and bullshit).
it may pain some that they have to walk a few blocks to buy their "vintage" 75 dollar sweater that was bought by the pound in the mid west.
so what you are saying is people are just waiting for the weather to be right and then they will come out and put a coat of paint on everything? People from the hood will build some apt's and bars they are just looking for a hammer and a saw.? Building something new and clean is not fucking anybody. Putting up shops that employee people is not screwing anybody. If you read these posts you will find people like to go out and have drink with friends and actually drink from a glass that somebody else washes rather than a paper bag. This area is improving because new people have higher expectations, every apt/apt building in this area was new at one time . Every empty lot used removes garbage and makes a place for a family to start. Spray paint and litter says I live in the ghetto and so do you. Clean (not always new) says I take pride in my self and surroundings, Empty lots and run down houses are a sign,their repair is also. 75 dollar used sweaters will stay as long as somebody is buying, don't think it will be a big part of the community makeup
pima alton brown evil twin
Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 57 Location: ph
Fri Nov 20, 09 9:34 pm EST
arrgh wrote:
did i miss something? gentrification = displacement of people. if you are rooting for gentrification you are rooting for the destruction of communities, homelessness, and poverty.
development can take place without gentrification. not to mention there is and has been for many years thriving businesses on washington. this isn't to say there isn't room for improvement, but you don't need to fuck over a community to develop an area (good way to do this - build as much affordable housing as condos and bullshit).
it may pain some that they have to walk a few blocks to buy their "vintage" 75 dollar sweater that was bought by the pound in the mid west.
In general, I am not for the destruction of communities, but I am for the destruction of homelessness and poverty. So I guess I am for gentrification.
Is a $75 brand new sweater better than a $75 vintage sweater? Would you be happier if the store sold only brand new sweaters? I don't think so.
Anyone who invests in a community (ie - buys a home or opens a store) is a fool if they do not want the neighborhood to improve.
And it is only your opinion that gentrification f***s over a community. _________________ food is my life
arrgh Newbie
Joined: 20 Nov 2009 Posts: 2
Fri Nov 20, 09 10:14 pm EST
gentrification doesn't destroy homelessness and poverty - it moves it. thats an important distinction. please tell me how you think that gentrification eliminates poverty and homelessness (equally senseless: giuliani tried to resolve these issues by removing water fountains and public bathrooms).
it is not my opinion, rather undisputed fact that gentrification displaces people and therefore fucks over community. look back in history - when people are displaced they get scattered. folks living in poverty no longer have the networks that are so important for sustainability (a net of kinship and friendship ties that helps you in times of need). this isn't just hard montaryily but also is a blow to ones mental health. displacement of people hurts them, this is simply common sense. especially among folks that are very poor and rely on community and family to survive.
i highly recommend it. lots of interesting information about the evolution of poor neighborhoods in nyc.
pima alton brown evil twin
Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 57 Location: ph
Sat Nov 21, 09 12:51 pm EST
arrgh,
Read your own first sentence. Or better yet, rewrite it. You said gentrification destroys homelessness and poverty.
Communities change, so I disagee that the community gets f****d. I agree that people can be hurt in many ways by these changes, but it is not an undisputed fact that the net change is negative. _________________ food is my life
whynot_31 Benevolent dictator
Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 6160 Location: Prospect Heights
Sat Nov 21, 09 1:13 pm EST
New York City as a whole has arguably gentrified since 2000.
Where did all those poor people go?
Surely, many of them are now employed in the expanded private sector and/or better supported by the tax revenue that has come from the expanded private sector.
...or is the argument that they all move to out of the city to the Badlands of Philly, Chicago's Southside, or some trailer park?
pardon me as I speed the conversation up a little. _________________ Hey you! Enlighten up.
rockhound LEASH YOU DOGS!
Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 129 Location: Lincoln & Underhill PH
Mon Nov 23, 09 4:59 pm EST
I'm poor and I'm still here. I survived the crack wars of the 80s and the "wild wild west" phase. Only rent stabilization makes it possible for me to live here now on a lower middle class income. I used to be a single mother on welfare. My son's grown up, married, and just bought a house on Long Island, but I'm not going anywhere, sorry, lol.
whynot_31 Benevolent dictator
Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 6160 Location: Prospect Heights
Mon Nov 23, 09 5:16 pm EST
rockhound wrote:
I'm poor and I'm still here. I survived the crack wars of the 80s and the "wild wild west" phase. Only rent stabilization makes it possible for me to live here now on a lower middle class income. I used to be a single mother on welfare. My son's grown up, married, and just bought a house on Long Island, but I'm not going anywhere, sorry, lol.
Well done.
What do you think of the changes in the neighborhood? _________________ Hey you! Enlighten up.
rockhound LEASH YOU DOGS!
Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 129 Location: Lincoln & Underhill PH
Mon Nov 23, 09 7:20 pm EST
I appreciate the fact that I no longer see kids laid out in the street after drug shootouts, and am no longer plagued with death threats from the crack dealers that used to infest my building. Oh yeah, and I don't miss having to worry about my son succumbing to the street culture. Many of his friends did.
I don't have a cell phone and I don't carry an ipod, so for me the hood is safer than ever. I like being able to take a walk without having to dodge bullets. But you still have idiots like that jackass kid who threw a bottle of grape soda at me near the BBG last summer (it was plastic and the moron missed). Maybe he mistook me for a "newcomer" but it's still Brooklyn and you still get to curse people out in very colourful language if they attack you unprovoked.
/yes I am white
modsquad Carneviento Devotee
Joined: 10 Jul 2008 Posts: 1464
Tue Nov 24, 09 2:13 am EST
whynot_31 wrote:
Surely, many of them are now employed in the expanded private sector and/or better supported by the tax revenue that has come from the expanded private sector.
Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 6160 Location: Prospect Heights
Tue Nov 24, 09 9:19 am EST
modsquad wrote:
whynot_31 wrote:
Surely, many of them are now employed in the expanded private sector and/or better supported by the tax revenue that has come from the expanded private sector.
ah, the eternal question: Is a job that sucks better than no job? I don't claim to have the answer.
...but suspect that a rising tide lifts just about all boats. _________________ Hey you! Enlighten up.
armchair_warrior retsop cixelsyd
Joined: 23 Dec 2005 Posts: 5857 Location: boondocks
Tue Nov 24, 09 5:16 pm EST
too many car repair places to ruin washington ave. other wise it could be a good strip. _________________ Fight white guilt and injustice by going to a Native American casino and gamble your money away.
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