In honor of MLK Day of Service I'm gathering a group for another Clean Up Crown Hts event on Monday, Jan 18.
If you are interested, please sign up by emailing me at jeslane@hotmail.com.
Let's meet at noon in front of Bristen's, 751 Franklin Ave (between St Johns Pl & Sterling Pl). We'll work for about two hours, and clean up as much as we can between Eastern Parkway to Atlantic and Classon to Nostrand.
If you cannot be there on Monday but would like to donate supplies (or $ to purchase supplies), we'll need:
Large Black Garbage Bags
Blue or Clear Recycling Bags
Sturdy Gloves
Litter Grabbers, Old brooms, and dust bins
And yeah, the weather is supposed to cooperate this year.
Hope to see you on Monday!
NostrandPark Crown Heights Blogger
Joined: 04 May 2009 Posts: 37 Location: Crown Heights, Brooklyn
Fri Jan 15, 10 8:49 am EST
Great ... We just posted this on our blog. Hope to see folks out there! _________________ http://nostrandpark.com
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catwalkertexasranger Local
Joined: 30 Jun 2009 Posts: 293
Fri Jan 15, 10 4:34 pm EST
A great place to start is the empty lot on Franklin (@728). Lots of history laying in there.
xlizellx Ninja
Joined: 10 Jul 2008 Posts: 855 Location: Park Place
Mon Jan 18, 10 12:10 pm EST
*Bump*
Just a reminder about this....starts in about an hour.
Park Place I will always love Park Place
Joined: 05 Oct 2009 Posts: 89
Wed Jan 20, 10 1:52 pm EST
I hate to be the contrarian but why would one clean up the streets? If people need a holiday to put trash in the right places as opposed to tossing it anywhere, they deserve to live in trash.
Also, consider this; if you clean it, what is the incentive for them to ever clean it themselves.
It is a nice sentiment; a nice thing to do on the surface but one of life's rules is that if you make a mess, you clean the mess. To clean it for them is simply out of whack. _________________ “When he shall die, take him and cut him out in little stars and he will make the face of heaven so fine that all the world will be in love with night and pay no worship to the garish sun.”
catwalkertexasranger Local
Joined: 30 Jun 2009 Posts: 293
Wed Jan 20, 10 6:35 pm EST
I walked by the empty lot on Franklin and it is spotless. So clean that kids could use it for a park or playground. If the original poster and crew from Briston's did this it is really exceptional and anybody involved should be commended.
xlizellx Ninja
Joined: 10 Jul 2008 Posts: 855 Location: Park Place
Wed Jan 20, 10 10:09 pm EST
Park Place wrote:
I hate to be the contrarian but why would one clean up the streets? If people need a holiday to put trash in the right places as opposed to tossing it anywhere, they deserve to live in trash.
Also, consider this; if you clean it, what is the incentive for them to ever clean it themselves.
It is a nice sentiment; a nice thing to do on the surface but one of life's rules is that if you make a mess, you clean the mess. To clean it for them is simply out of whack.
The people who saw us said "Thank you!" ... one even said that we were making him feel bad about his habits. This is how humans function -- they see trash on the ground, they think "what's one more bottle, bag, etc..." and it gets worse. They see people taking pride in the area and cleaning it, they may think twice about throwing it on the ground.
I _know_ that with kids at least if their school is trashed it gets worse. It is crazy what a fresh coat of paint and some strict guidelines for trash collection can do to a whole outlook on school/life. Adults are no different.
No one will ever make this place better until someone takes the first step. You want a place with less garbage on the ground? Then be the first person to pick something up.
homeowner "Way Too Incestial"
Joined: 20 Jan 2006 Posts: 2116 Location: Between a rock and a hard place
Thu Jan 21, 10 6:44 pm EST
Park Place wrote:
I hate to be the contrarian but why would one clean up the streets? If people need a holiday to put trash in the right places as opposed to tossing it anywhere, they deserve to live in trash.
Also, consider this; if you clean it, what is the incentive for them to ever clean it themselves.
It is a nice sentiment; a nice thing to do on the surface but one of life's rules is that if you make a mess, you clean the mess. To clean it for them is simply out of whack.
You clean up trash in your neighborhood, because ITS YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD TOO!
I don't want to live in trash, therefore, it is to some extent my responsibility to clean up chicken bones that have been tossed down on the sidewalk, newspapers that blow into my yard, and leaves that fall from my neighbors tree. Would it be nice if my trashy neighbors were thoughtful enough not to make a mess? Yep, but I'm not going to wade through trash as some sort of protest either.
Society works because everyone makes it work. You make the mess, you clean the mess is great as a teaching tool for children, but the reality is that as an adult member of society we are often called on to do more than simply care for ourselves. I'll continue picking up other people's dog poo, empty 40 bottles, and nickel bags from in front of my house cause I don't want to live in filth. Period.
Park Place I will always love Park Place
Joined: 05 Oct 2009 Posts: 89
Fri Jan 22, 10 2:32 am EST
homeowner wrote:
Park Place wrote:
I hate to be the contrarian but why would one clean up the streets? If people need a holiday to put trash in the right places as opposed to tossing it anywhere, they deserve to live in trash.
Also, consider this; if you clean it, what is the incentive for them to ever clean it themselves.
It is a nice sentiment; a nice thing to do on the surface but one of life's rules is that if you make a mess, you clean the mess. To clean it for them is simply out of whack.
You clean up trash in your neighborhood, because ITS YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD TOO!
I don't want to live in trash, therefore, it is to some extent my responsibility to clean up chicken bones that have been tossed down on the sidewalk, newspapers that blow into my yard, and leaves that fall from my neighbors tree. Would it be nice if my trashy neighbors were thoughtful enough not to make a mess? Yep, but I'm not going to wade through trash as some sort of protest either.
Society works because everyone makes it work. You make the mess, you clean the mess is great as a teaching tool for children, but the reality is that as an adult member of society we are often called on to do more than simply care for ourselves. I'll continue picking up other people's dog poo, empty 40 bottles, and nickel bags from in front of my house cause I don't want to live in filth. Period.
I read your profile. You say you are between a rock and a hard place. How sad. On the other hand, I believe your rage has put you there. I wish you peace. _________________ “When he shall die, take him and cut him out in little stars and he will make the face of heaven so fine that all the world will be in love with night and pay no worship to the garish sun.”
sweet tea Cooler Ham
Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 4981 Location: the jewish
Fri Jan 22, 10 10:34 am EST
huh? you have a weird definition of "rage." _________________ Bumping ancient threads with bot-like bullshit
jeffrey blimp collector
Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 3521 Location: Prospect Lefferts Gardens
Fri Jan 22, 10 10:39 am EST
Park Place, when was the last time you were actually in Brooklyn?
Boston suburbs that boring? _________________ i extend my battery life by averting extreme injustice and inherent evil
Park Place I will always love Park Place
Joined: 05 Oct 2009 Posts: 89
Fri Jan 22, 10 3:10 pm EST
jeffrey wrote:
Park Place, when was the last time you were actually in Brooklyn?
Boston suburbs that boring?
I was there for the week between Christmas and New Years. When was the last time you stepped out of Brooklyn to gain perspective and the broad purview required to know that you do not clean up other peoples garbage because personal responsibility is the bottom line to a civilized world. _________________ “When he shall die, take him and cut him out in little stars and he will make the face of heaven so fine that all the world will be in love with night and pay no worship to the garish sun.”
jeffrey blimp collector
Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 3521 Location: Prospect Lefferts Gardens
Fri Jan 22, 10 3:29 pm EST
Well I guess that settles it.
(just not in the way PP expects, lol) _________________ i extend my battery life by averting extreme injustice and inherent evil
whynot_31 Benevolent dictator
Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 6160 Location: Prospect Heights
Fri Jan 22, 10 3:42 pm EST
all hail Park Place!
We must respect his authority over us as he issues decrees from Boston. _________________ Hey you! Enlighten up.
Park Place I will always love Park Place
Joined: 05 Oct 2009 Posts: 89
Fri Jan 22, 10 4:41 pm EST
whynot_31 wrote:
all hail Park Place!
We must respect his authority over us as he issues decrees from Boston.
You are too funny.
Thats all fine. It is good to create a dialogue and disagreement is often the best part of that dialogue. If we all agreed, 90% of us would be unnecessary.
We can just agree to disagree and leave it at that. _________________ “When he shall die, take him and cut him out in little stars and he will make the face of heaven so fine that all the world will be in love with night and pay no worship to the garish sun.”
ilovefranklinave Newbie
Joined: 06 Dec 2008 Posts: 29 Location: Crown Heights
Fri Jan 22, 10 11:45 pm EST
I've got a photo and some ramblings about it up on the blog--taking part was definitely a worthwhile experience, at least for me. Thanks for organizing! _________________ http://ilovefranklinave.blogspot.com/
ilovefranklinave Newbie
Joined: 06 Dec 2008 Posts: 29 Location: Crown Heights
I hate to be the contrarian but why would one clean up the streets? If people need a holiday to put trash in the right places as opposed to tossing it anywhere, they deserve to live in trash.
Also, consider this; if you clean it, what is the incentive for them to ever clean it themselves.
It is a nice sentiment; a nice thing to do on the surface but one of life's rules is that if you make a mess, you clean the mess. To clean it for them is simply out of whack.
Maybe you just haven't thought clearly about this.
Google "Broken Windows"
Park Place I will always love Park Place
Joined: 05 Oct 2009 Posts: 89
Tue Jan 26, 10 10:42 pm EST
spnder wrote:
Park Place wrote:
I hate to be the contrarian but why would one clean up the streets? If people need a holiday to put trash in the right places as opposed to tossing it anywhere, they deserve to live in trash.
Also, consider this; if you clean it, what is the incentive for them to ever clean it themselves.
It is a nice sentiment; a nice thing to do on the surface but one of life's rules is that if you make a mess, you clean the mess. To clean it for them is simply out of whack.
Maybe you just haven't thought clearly about this.
Google "Broken Windows"
Interesting!
I have found "Broken Windows" ad will look into it.
Many thanks.
BB3 _________________ “When he shall die, take him and cut him out in little stars and he will make the face of heaven so fine that all the world will be in love with night and pay no worship to the garish sun.”
Park Place I will always love Park Place
Joined: 05 Oct 2009 Posts: 89
Tue Jan 26, 10 10:43 pm EST
spnder wrote:
Park Place wrote:
I hate to be the contrarian but why would one clean up the streets? If people need a holiday to put trash in the right places as opposed to tossing it anywhere, they deserve to live in trash.
Also, consider this; if you clean it, what is the incentive for them to ever clean it themselves.
It is a nice sentiment; a nice thing to do on the surface but one of life's rules is that if you make a mess, you clean the mess. To clean it for them is simply out of whack.
Maybe you just haven't thought clearly about this.
Google "Broken Windows"
Interesting!
I have found "Broken Windows" ad will look into it.
Many thanks.
BB3 _________________ “When he shall die, take him and cut him out in little stars and he will make the face of heaven so fine that all the world will be in love with night and pay no worship to the garish sun.”
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