Joined: 18 Aug 2006 Posts: 910 Location: nethermead
Sun Oct 15, 06 1:01 pm EST
Remember BISCUIT? Fall-off-the-bone, NC style BBQ ribs.? Where went Biscuit? Your porcine prayers have been answered. Josh, Kris and Robin will be opening the new BISCUIT soon at 230 5th Avenue.
Authentic BBQ + Killer Margaritas + Live Music + Great Pastries + Cool T-shirts + Tons of Space + Giant Paper Mache Pig.
Joined: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 6489 Location: Utopian Park Slope
Sun Oct 15, 06 1:06 pm EST
I googled the address - 230 5th Avenue is where Night and Day is, at President St.
Are you sure? When?
Karl the Druid on facebook i am now
Joined: 18 Aug 2006 Posts: 910 Location: nethermead
Sun Oct 15, 06 1:15 pm EST
Night and Day will re-open as Biscuit in roughly two to three weeks. That means I have to walk down the hill from PH until they get delivery going. _________________ destination: roam
Carnivore Brooklyn Snark
Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Posts: 13566 Location: St Johns Pl and Underhill
Sun Oct 15, 06 4:37 pm EST
Karl, do you know if they're going to start having the monthly pig roasts again when they reopen? If so, will they offer "season tickets"?
Mmmmm........ Pig....................
Karl the Druid on facebook i am now
Joined: 18 Aug 2006 Posts: 910 Location: nethermead
Sun Oct 15, 06 5:32 pm EST
I don't know about the season tickets but Josh yes to pig pullin', early on, but let me confirm it. I also told him to read the mssg. boards on a regular basis to get a good opinion from the hood. _________________ destination: roam
Jamzer Lifer
Joined: 06 Oct 2005 Posts: 911 Location: Park F'ing Slope
Mon Oct 16, 06 9:28 am EST
Oh my! Oh my! I live right near there! Oh my! Oh my!
DeeDee Regular
Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Posts: 164
Mon Oct 16, 06 10:40 am EST
Well, believe me Biscuit served medicocre bbq and sides when they were located in Prospect Heights. As a native of Alabama, I was thoroughly disappointed with the quality of their food. Hopefully, they will get a new chef otherwise this is nothing to look forward tol
linusvanpelt Jockin my Mercedes
Joined: 12 Oct 2005 Posts: 394 Location: Center Slope, between 4th and 5th Avenues
2. Even assuming there is such a thing as NC-style BBQ ribs, Biscuit was not it. They heavily slathered their ribs in a sweet, thick, tomatoey sauce. If anything, that's maybe KC-style, but frankly it was more like, baked-in-the-oven-with-bottled-BBQ-sauce style.
I didn't hate Biscuit, it was better than no BBQ in the neighborhood at all, but their stuff had no smoke to it. I much prefer Bar B Q, whose stuff is much smokier, plainer and less sauce-y.
Biscuit did, however, have far better sides. If only I could get the same place to deliver Bar B Q's meat (they don't deliver at all) and Biscuit's sides.
linusvanpelt Jockin my Mercedes
Joined: 12 Oct 2005 Posts: 394 Location: Center Slope, between 4th and 5th Avenues
Mon Oct 16, 06 11:36 am EST
Oh, and credit where it's due, I do miss Biscuit's fried chicken.
dailyheights Honorary Fellow
Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 3619 Location: Prospect Heights State of Mind
Mon Oct 16, 06 12:07 pm EST
This is very interesting news. Opinion on the old Biscuit (on Flatbush Ave.) was deeply divided--unusually so--either you loved it or you hated it. You can find comments on these boards if you search. Also, here are some representative comments on the DH blog:
Night & Day sure didn't last long. They were just putting the finishing touches on their back room a year ago. Anyone know what happened there? It was a nice place for an after-dinner drink, but the food never struck me as anything special.
I'm assuming Biscuit will go beyond the Rheingold on tap if they are inheriting that great bat at Night & Day. Anyone know specifics of the reopening?
Carnivore Brooklyn Snark
Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Posts: 13566 Location: St Johns Pl and Underhill
Mon Oct 16, 06 5:24 pm EST
I wasn't impressed with Biscuit's BBQ, but their monthly pig roast was awesome.
8thandPrez Stroller Person
Joined: 09 Sep 2005 Posts: 1130 Location: No longer at 8th and Prez
Mon Oct 16, 06 6:05 pm EST
OnEasternParkway wrote:
Night & Day sure didn't last long. They were just putting the finishing touches on their back room a year ago. Anyone know what happened there? It was a nice place for an after-dinner drink, but the food never struck me as anything special.
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Well, believe me Biscuit served medicocre bbq and sides when they were located in Prospect Heights. As a native of Alabama, I was thoroughly disappointed with the quality of their food. Hopefully, they will get a new chef otherwise this is nothing to look forward tol
I'm with you. I thought they really sucked.
street shooter guru
Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Posts: 132 Location: Downtown Brooklyn
Mon Oct 16, 06 6:57 pm EST
I actually really liked Night & Day. I'm sad to see them go. Maybe they just weren't busy enough to pay the rent.
Karl the Druid on facebook i am now
Joined: 18 Aug 2006 Posts: 910 Location: nethermead
Mon Oct 16, 06 7:55 pm EST
Night and Day as a concept seemed like it would've done well on the upper east side. I actually have never been there until recently.
I don't know the specifics as to when Biscuit will be opening, but it's with in two weeks. Give or take a day or two. I guess you can always look in the window, they'll probably have some kind of sign up.
BBQ is personal. I've never been to the South so I can't say what there is to compare, I've been told Virginia is "North South" so that doesn't count. But one of the best places I've been to is on the outskirts of Cleveland. A BBQ trailor called Hot Sauce Williams, lines literally two blocks long and you get meal A, B or C. with three sides. William said he served Missippi BBQ and he came up on the bus.
What's the best BBQ place you've been to and what did you like about it? _________________ destination: roam
sweet tea Cooler Ham
Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 4960 Location: the jewish
Mon Oct 16, 06 9:21 pm EST
i am a north carolina bbq snob -- and whoever said that in nc, bbq means pulled pork is on the money. today i saw a "north carolina style bbq chicken sandwich". in north carolina, i assure you, there is no such thing as bbq chicken. bbq is pork. other items cooked on grills are "grilled".
once you have your pork -- preferably a whole pig-pickin -- you must use the right sauce. my biggest pet peeve is places that list "north carolina style" pulled pork and then serve something drenched in sweet tomato sauce. yuck.
to sum up: north carolina bbq = pulled pork with a thin vinegar-based sauce with a little heat to it. it is superior to all other kinds of bbq and to most other forms of sustenance. and nothing goes with it like sweet tea!
pitu Fake Buddhist
Joined: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 6489 Location: Utopian Park Slope
Tue Oct 17, 06 11:00 am EST
hmmm. Carolina loyalist here too.
What I liked about Biscuit in its first incarnation was that they slowcooked the pig and had different sauces on the side in squeeze bottles (including vinegar hot sauce for NC loyalists)
They had slaw for the sammy, on a hamburger bun . . .
It wasn't what you'd get from a back woods pool hall in NC, but t'wernt half bad.
Come to think of it, that's how it comes down south if you order a pound of pulled pork to go -- you get a red and white paper thingee of meat and a jar of homemade sauce.
I'm wondering about the chicken. I don't feel like making it myself very often, and I don't like that honey-dripping stuff at Blue Ribbon that people rave about . . .
Drano Meow Wars Veteran
Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Posts: 1559
Tue Oct 17, 06 11:17 am EST
street shooter wrote:
I actually really liked Night & Day. I'm sad to see them go. Maybe they just weren't busy enough to pay the rent.
That location is harsh, too. The previous place ( I forget the name...Bebe, maybe) was pretty respectable and didn't last long.
Edit: I don't mean the location is bad per se, it just seems to be bad luck.
pitu Fake Buddhist
Joined: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 6489 Location: Utopian Park Slope
Tue Oct 17, 06 12:56 pm EST
Drano wrote:
street shooter wrote:
I actually really liked Night & Day. I'm sad to see them go. Maybe they just weren't busy enough to pay the rent.
That location is harsh, too. The previous place ( I forget the name...Bebe, maybe) was pretty respectable and didn't last long.
Edit: I don't mean the location is bad per se, it just seems to be bad luck.
I don't think anybody has carved out the right niche there. It's theoretically a great location . . . or rather, look what al di la manages a block away.
An expensive restaurant (Night and Day, or anyplace with entrees over $20) has a LOT of competition on that strip. I went for dinner once, but no way did it beat out al di la or convivium or stone park or (you get the picture)
The jazz thing
well, I just don't know.
At a street fair, their then-new New Orleanian chef made up a deeeeelicious jumbo.
But that never made it to the regular menu.
Missed opportunity imho.
They *did* make it into a very pretty space. I bet the back room could be a goldmine for small reception rentals, or monthly pig parties for Carnivore.
I hope Biscuit does LUNCH - there's lots of working-at-home people around here. A couple of good soups, veg sides, and a pig sammy - THAT'S a restaurant plan.
Karl the Druid on facebook i am now
Joined: 18 Aug 2006 Posts: 910 Location: nethermead
Tue Oct 17, 06 5:18 pm EST
pitu wrote:
I don't think anybody has carved out the right niche there. It's theoretically a great location . . . or rather, look what al di la manages a block away.
Yep, location is a weird factor. It's as if some sections of blocks are cursed. Does anyone remember what was in the space that Christie's patties is in now? It's had a few lives. Laundrymat, flower shop party room... I hope they do well. Over the years there stuff has become a bit greasier but I still stop in to get a chicken patty. _________________ destination: roam
pitu Fake Buddhist
Joined: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 6489 Location: Utopian Park Slope
Tue Oct 17, 06 5:27 pm EST
Before N&D was Bibi, but that was BRIEF.
What was in that spot before that? I don't think it was a restaurant...
Karl the Druid on facebook i am now
Joined: 18 Aug 2006 Posts: 910 Location: nethermead
Tue Oct 17, 06 5:37 pm EST
Think back to the early 80s when no one would dare walk past that corner, they'd rather cut up to 6th or 7th av, past the church, working their way around until around 8th street then returning to 5th near Smith's Tavern.
I'm making an educated guess. It's right on the corner and it's not too far from 4th av: Crack-den Bodega or Laundrymat. _________________ destination: roam
Karl the Druid on facebook i am now
Joined: 18 Aug 2006 Posts: 910 Location: nethermead
Fri Oct 27, 06 8:09 pm EST
Ahhhhh Biscuit BBQ, much beloved by some, yet reviled by others launches Monday, October 30 at 5:00 pm. _________________ destination: roam
Jamzer Lifer
Joined: 06 Oct 2005 Posts: 911 Location: Park F'ing Slope
Tue Oct 31, 06 9:10 am EST
I saw that it opened last night. Did anyone go? How was it?
pitu Fake Buddhist
Joined: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 6489 Location: Utopian Park Slope
Tue Oct 31, 06 9:19 am EST
We went. I like the menu ALOT - big salads along with big meat. And a shrimp boil. Most stuff comes in a variety of sizes, which is very handy. It's not cheap, but the portions were big.
I like the collards. The sauces need work...BBQ (sweet and vinegar) and salad dressing on the Cobb were 'meh', or maybe they hadn't dried the salad greens so the dressing wasn't sticking.
They were asking for feedback, so I'm hoping that stuff will get better.
The ribs were good without sauce, and the fried chicken at the table next to us *looked* good. I want to try more of what they're cooking . . .
They are going to do 50 million X the biz of Night and Day, and since it's some of the same owners, Biscuit is way better functioning than the usual startup. The food came fast, they already have liquor license and take credit cards.
AND they still have the same good beers on tap (Six Point, Omegang etc)
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alafairnadia radical quellist
Joined: 08 Aug 2005 Posts: 8272 Location: not washington ave. btwn sterling & st. johns
Tue Oct 31, 06 11:57 am EST
brisket - Texas style - is my BBQ of choice. preferably in a po-boy, drenched in spicy spicy sauce.
that said, I liked the old Biscuit, but hated their biscuits. they were rock hard, tasteless, and generally useless. but I liked their pulled pork and chicken. and their sides were lovely, especially the greens. can't wait to try the new joint. but I will avoid their bread products. _________________ like a smoked meat with an earthy youth overnote
pitu Fake Buddhist
Joined: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 6489 Location: Utopian Park Slope
Tue Oct 31, 06 12:03 pm EST
they make a big deal about the brisket on the menu, but that's the wrong animal for me so I couldn't say . . .
when I asked for hot sauce, a bottle of Tabasco appeared
they could open up any summer issue of Food & Wine and nick a better bunch of BBQ sauces
(sigh)
alafairnadia radical quellist
Joined: 08 Aug 2005 Posts: 8272 Location: not washington ave. btwn sterling & st. johns
Tue Oct 31, 06 12:06 pm EST
at least it wasn't a bottle of "Red Hot"
but yeah, my favorite BBQ joint in Houston has great sauce - you can see bits of jalapeno and serrano peppers, but it's still nice and vinegary/smokey. now I'm hungry. fooey. _________________ like a smoked meat with an earthy youth overnote
pitu Fake Buddhist
Joined: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 6489 Location: Utopian Park Slope
Tue Oct 31, 06 12:14 pm EST
o yeah, and they have a veggie burger called the Token Gesture or something
ha
and oo ooo ooo they make New Mexico green chili stew, which I reeeally hope is good
I had leftover collards for breakfast
linusvanpelt Jockin my Mercedes
Joined: 12 Oct 2005 Posts: 394 Location: Center Slope, between 4th and 5th Avenues
Tue Oct 31, 06 12:26 pm EST
Pitu, how were the ribs without the sauce? I'm not a BBQ purist who believes sauces are evil or anything, but I do think BBQ should taste good -- smoky, full of flavor -- even before you sauce it. My big problem with Biscuit's old ribs was that they tasted like they were baked, not smoked.
erikka Bruce Ratner's Love Child
Joined: 15 Sep 2006 Posts: 754
Tue Oct 31, 06 12:36 pm EST
pitu wrote:
We went. I like the menu ALOT - big salads along with big meat. And a shrimp boil. Most stuff comes in a variety of sizes, which is very handy. It's not cheap, but the portions were big.
I like the collards. The sauces need work...BBQ (sweet and vinegar) and salad dressing on the Cobb were 'meh', or maybe they hadn't dried the salad greens so the dressing wasn't sticking.
They were asking for feedback, so I'm hoping that stuff will get better.
The ribs were good without sauce, and the fried chicken at the table next to us *looked* good. I want to try more of what they're cooking . . .
They are going to do 50 million X the biz of Night and Day, and since it's some of the same owners, Biscuit is way better functioning than the usual startup. The food came fast, they already have liquor license and take credit cards.
AND they still have the same good beers on tap (Six Point, Omegang etc)
I'll def have to try this, thanks for the review. Were the ribs dry-rubbed. I prefer sauce as well but I've had a dry rub here and there that rocked my world. Sounds similiar to ribs at No No, which were dry and disappointing.
pitu Fake Buddhist
Joined: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 6489 Location: Utopian Park Slope
Tue Oct 31, 06 12:54 pm EST
ribs were dry rubbed, and the rub was decent - a little chili bite, a nice bark build-up
(yeah, I just learned that word "bark" a couple months ago)
My rib of choice is Asian in prep, so you folks are going to have to check it out for yourself and tell me.
And NC pulled pork is my 'cue of choice, so I can't tell you if those ribs were in a smoker or not.
I'd guess not.
But they were juicy and tender and very tasty without sauce.
And they offer them as an app, 3 ribs with slaw, $8. Perfect!
Other choice is half or full rack, with sides ($16/$24)
pitu Fake Buddhist
Joined: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 6489 Location: Utopian Park Slope
I'm going to have to start fasting between non-BBQ meals . . .
and linus, I hope you do the side-by-side comparison. I sense you have the will to pull that off
Karl the Druid on facebook i am now
Joined: 18 Aug 2006 Posts: 910 Location: nethermead
Tue Oct 31, 06 1:17 pm EST
I was the guy in the food coma at the end of the bar. I had the 1/2 rack ribs, I had them without sauce with slaw and mac and man oh man they were gooooood. I also bought two full racks to bring to down to Freddy's Bar and I had to stop the bartender from eating through the bag.
I might have to go for the 3 ribs + slaw basket next time or upgrade into bigger sweater with vertical stripes.
Did any of you grab a handful of buttons? _________________ destination: roam
linusvanpelt Jockin my Mercedes
Joined: 12 Oct 2005 Posts: 394 Location: Center Slope, between 4th and 5th Avenues
I'm going to have to start fasting between non-BBQ meals . . .
and linus, I hope you do the side-by-side comparison. I sense you have the will to pull that off
I'm totally going to have to do a 'cue-off between Bar BQ and New Biscuit, then. I'll leave Smoke Joint to our Fort Greene or Proho bureaus for now.
Encouraged by your review, anyway. I so wanted the Old Biscuit to be good, and the new location is way better for me. If it's really that good, then it's probably too good a location for my arteries' sake.
linusvanpelt Jockin my Mercedes
Joined: 12 Oct 2005 Posts: 394 Location: Center Slope, between 4th and 5th Avenues
Tue Oct 31, 06 1:32 pm EST
Hey, do they have brisket on the menu? Or better yet, a website? I'd hate to have to drag my tired ass over and get a takeout menu.
pitu Fake Buddhist
Joined: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 6489 Location: Utopian Park Slope
Tue Oct 31, 06 1:39 pm EST
linusvanpelt wrote:
Hey, do they have brisket on the menu?
yes (see above)
if anything, they're reaching in too many directions -- ribs, brisket, pulled pork, catfish, shrimp boil, fried chicken, burgers, veggie burgers, Hatch chiles, and SALADS for petes sake
And really cute graphics, Karl - they're putting buttons in every check. Do you want mine?
I'm NOT wearing a BBQ button, but I appreciate the tagline
We Smoke Anything
they better get the website/delivery thing going . . .
what/where's Bar BQ? Believe it or not, I usually ignore NYC BBQ places. This one just happens to be right under my nose, so . . .
erikka Bruce Ratner's Love Child
Joined: 15 Sep 2006 Posts: 754
Tue Oct 31, 06 1:42 pm EST
pitu wrote:
what/where's Bar BQ? Believe it or not, I usually ignore NYC BBQ places. This one just happens to be right under my nose, so . . .
It's on 6th and 20th. Food is not so great (I've had their brisket and pulled pork), sides were terrible. Good bourbon selection and decent beer of tap. Overall, I've gone three times and have always been disappointed.
The Chipster Irregular
Joined: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 672
Tue Oct 31, 06 3:02 pm EST
Biscuit was ...ok. And NIght and Day was...ok. I'll take Bonnie's anyway. BUT CRAZY ALERT!! Check out the posting outside their window. I cannot quote verbatim, but it went on to say how Josh ____ (generic sounding jewish last name) was a good ole neighborhood boy, who, they emphasized, had jewish ancestors waaaaaaaaaay back--but WENT TO ST. SAVIORS, etc..thereby implying he's a good ole fashioned brooklyn boy;NOT, god forbid, the JEW his name implies.
I was baffled. WTF?!!
ANd as far as Night and Day went--the woman who "hosted" was rude and unfriendly. Just hope they keep the hot bartender.
next!
Karl the Druid on facebook i am now
Joined: 18 Aug 2006 Posts: 910 Location: nethermead
Tue Oct 31, 06 4:52 pm EST
The Chipster wrote:
thereby implying he's a good ole fashioned brooklyn boy;NOT, god forbid, the JEW his name implies.
I was baffled. WTF?!!
I know, I know... crazy stuff eh? Jewish and Irish people getting together in some natural way, having kids and all... in the borough of churches no less? It's as if it isn't the 1920's anymore. It's just plain wacky, no?
I run into this dilema often, myself being part Druid and part Cleric. I just tell people I'm Druish and I seem to pass. (Can't mix the classes, you know). _________________ destination: roam
OnEasternParkway Regular
Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 156
Tue Oct 31, 06 5:04 pm EST
I saw that posting last night as well and had to read it 2-3 times to comprehend it. The Jewish/Irish thing was confusing, and the "after a series of self-involved chefs" (think those were the words) thing was odd as well.
Finn Regular
Joined: 28 Jun 2006 Posts: 50 Location: St John's at Underhill
Tue Oct 31, 06 9:50 pm EST
Yeah I love that "self-involved chefs" bit.
Jamzer Lifer
Joined: 06 Oct 2005 Posts: 911 Location: Park F'ing Slope
Wed Nov 01, 06 9:11 am EST
Clearly the point of the Jewish/Irish thing was to establish Josh's credentials. As EVERYONE knows - a Jew can't be expected to make halfway decent BBQ ( Sarcasim Alert ).
It just sounded pathetic.
Anyway - I can't wait to go. My standards for BBQ are pretty low considering my Jewish - Long Island upbringing....
steve Cylon
Joined: 17 Nov 2005 Posts: 1263
Wed Nov 01, 06 10:55 am EST
For what it's worth me and a friend have been hitting all of the BBQ places up we can recently. Here are the current rankings according to me.
1. Pioneer -Everything was very good, Mac and Cheese was fantastic
2. Smoke Joint - Incredible Baby Back Ribs. Outer space needs to be insulated better and the door needs to be fixed. Don't run out of things either.
3. BBQ on 6th - Cool place, ok eats.
4. The Place On Columbia- I can't remember the name but they've been around forever. Food was awful.
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