'snice and environs

Subject: 'snice and environs

i love 'snice...great addition to the neighborhood, but every time i walk by, the outside of that place looks so uninviting. that outside area on 3rd is covered with graffiti and scraped paint, and even the pull down gates are quite graffiti covered and makes for quite an eyesore after closing.

firstly, i'm shocked that they don't take over that outdoor space on 3rd street and fix that little dirt patch up a little bit, and secondly...for such a well respected establishment, i'm surprised they don't have a little more pull with the landlord to get him/her to clean up the graffiti and repaint that outside wall. it really just looks rundown.

too much to ask? anyone else notice this?

I've noticed it. I also get a kick out of the hipsters who work there taking their smoking break on the bench right in front of the store. That is not very appealing, but it is a touch ironic given the fact that the food is all-natural and vegan. :roll:

Jamzer wrote: it is a touch ironic given the fact that the food is all-natural and vegan.

Well, lots of people have reasons for eating or cooking "all-natural" or vegetarian that're pretty orthogonal to the various issues raised by tobacco. So you've got to make a lot of presumptions to find it ironic.

CHE wrote: So you've got to make a lot of presumptions to find it ironic.

Nah - just one. I have to walk through the cigarette smoke to get to my healthy food.

the smoking doesn't bother me..we've become so freakin uptight in this country. i suppose one could say the same about my comment about the graffiti. if it were at least GOOD graffiti, i wouldn't care.

one would need to sit and inhale smoke directly from said hipsters lips for 5 hours a day to significantly raise your chances of adverse health affects.

i understand not loving the smoke for the sake of the foul smell, but to suggest that the 2 seconds of walking through it somehow negates the good affects of the healthy meal you'll soon eat/just eaten is taking this all a bit too far, don't ya think?

If you're a business owner, and you care, you clean up the graffiti yourself. All it takes is a bucket of brick red paint--and instead of waiting for "the landord" or "the city" or "someone" to do something; you do it yourself. It's easy and cheap.
Personally I never noticed the graffiti, and that corner is pretty busy considering...so, why nitpik?

Subject: Re: 'snice and environs

belzjm wrote: secondly...for such a well respected establishment, i'm surprised they don't have a little more pull with the landlord to get him/her to clean up the graffiti and repaint that outside wall. it really just looks rundown.

I don't think you know how the commercial tenant/commercial landlord relationship works.

Chipster's on the money: the business wants improvements, the business has to do it. Landlords won't do shit.

i never claimed to know the relationship between commercial landlords and their tenants.

why is everyone so freakin rude on this board...?

please tell me.

and i'm not "nitpicking" i'm simply pointing it out. there's no graffiti convering stone park across the street, and that seems like an equally busy corner. i just think a nice restaurant like this should be free of graffiti, that's all.

maybe the store manager will see this and paint it. or maybe next time, i'll mention it. this sure is a lot more productive, in my opinion than a lot of the other crap people talk about on here.

it has to do with improving the neighborhood. sorry i'm not accusing people of making up stories about getting gay bashed.

You wondered why they don't have pull with the landlord and I'm saying not a lot of businesses do. A business rents the space and the assumption is that they'll improve it/keep it up/etc. The landlord isn't obliged to do anything. They might I suppose --- depending on the relationship --- but from what I know, they normally don't. If a business wanted stuff like that or added fixtures, paint job, the landlord would pretty much say, I'll just rent to someone else.

Old Time Brooklyn - You have no idea what you’re talking about. As a commercial space owner near snice I can assure you that I have spent allot of time and money assisting the commercial tenant.

Having a successful business run out of my space is good for the business owner, the neighborhood, and me...the landlord.

.....oh, and I know of many other landlords who have went out of their way as well.

Not my experience, but hey, good for you.

funny, I live right near them and go there all the time and have never noticed the graffiti. maybe being a born and bred NY'er I am immune to it?

As for the outdoor space-I was in there last week and heard them talking about how it is being worked on and they are waiting for a special permit to be able to use it and all.

belzjm wrote: the smoking doesn't bother me..we've become so freakin uptight in this country. i suppose one could say the same about my comment about the graffiti. if it were at least GOOD graffiti, i wouldn't care.

one would need to sit and inhale smoke directly from said hipsters lips for 5 hours a day to significantly raise your chances of adverse health affects.

i understand not loving the smoke for the sake of the foul smell, but to suggest that the 2 seconds of walking through it somehow negates the good affects of the healthy meal you'll soon eat/just eaten is taking this all a bit too far, don't ya think?

Yes Belzjm - why is everyone so "freakin rude on this board?" Maybe because they get a lecture from you about how uptight they are and that second hand smoke is not so bad for you when all they have done is point out that people smoking on a bench by the front door of a restaurant is not that appealing. Just a thought.

Settle down, Beavis...

What the place really needs is a higher class of graffitti, befitting its environs.

CHE wrote: [quote=Jamzer] it is a touch ironic given the fact that the food is all-natural and vegan.

Well, lots of people have reasons for eating or cooking "all-natural" or vegetarian that're pretty orthogonal to the various issues raised by tobacco. So you've got to make a lot of presumptions to find it ironic.

orthogonal? What the hell do you do and why would you think that the proported reasons for eating healthy have nothing to do with smoking? Yeah, I understand that there are always the hard-core peta folks but otherwise...?

I knew an elderly vegan once who smoked like a chimney and drank tons of coffee. She said that it had something to do with Yin and Yang. I'm not so sure, but she was one heck of a character.

filmlover44 wrote: [quote=CHE][quote=Jamzer] it is a touch ironic given the fact that the food is all-natural and vegan.

Well, lots of people have reasons for eating or cooking "all-natural" or vegetarian that're pretty orthogonal to the various issues raised by tobacco. So you've got to make a lot of presumptions to find it ironic.

orthogonal? What the hell do you do and why would you think that the proported reasons for eating healthy have nothing to do with smoking? Yeah, I understand that there are always the hard-core peta folks but otherwise...?

I knew an elderly vegan once who smoked like a chimney and drank tons of coffee. She said that it had something to do with Yin and Yang. I'm not so sure, but she was one heck of a character.

Maybe she only cared about animals' heath and wellness?

[quote=Carnivore]Settle down, Beavis...

What the place really needs is a higher class of graffitti, befitting its environs.



Beavis? Lern to spell Butt Head!

landlord wrote: Old Time Brooklyn - You have no idea what you’re talking about. As a commercial space owner near snice I can assure you that I have spent allot of time and money assisting the commercial tenant.

Having a successful business run out of my space is good for the business owner, the neighborhood, and me...the landlord.

.....oh, and I know of many other landlords who have went out of their way as well.

I wasn't being mean before, I was stating what I know. And my experience is quite the opposite of what you say. It's great when landlords go the extra mile; but most don't. As a business owner, you are the "first responder." Maybe the landlord will reimburse you or help you--and that's great! But I believe in stepping up to the plate. Even if it's not yours. Do something.

raw wrote:

Maybe she only cared about animals' heath and wellness?

No. I've known people like that. That wasn't it.

filmlover44 wrote: [quote=CHE][quote=Jamzer] it is a touch ironic given the fact that the food is all-natural and vegan.

Well, lots of people have reasons for eating or cooking "all-natural" or vegetarian that're pretty orthogonal to the various issues raised by tobacco. So you've got to make a lot of presumptions to find it ironic.

orthogonal? What the hell do you do and why would you think that the proported reasons for eating healthy have nothing to do with smoking? Yeah, I understand that there are always the hard-core peta folks but otherwise...?

Jamzer didn't say "eating healthy," but rather eating/cooking "all-natural and vegan."

A person might choose to do that because he or she:
(a) doesn't enjoy the taste of meat as much as non-meat foods, or
(b) doesn't like harming other mammals and birds, or
(c) thinks it's peachy to kill animals, but doesn't like how they're treated in producing the supply for most restaurants, or
(d) doesn't like how agricultural chemicals wreck ecosystems in "non-natural" farming, or
(e) is concerned about how much food and water is consumed in raising animals, at a time when global food shortages are causing riots, or
(f) notices that meaty-dishes tend to be more expensive at restaurants, or
(g) absolutely loves eating tasty animals, but feels like having/cooking a delicious black-bean burger with sweet-potato fries and spicy mustard tonight!

Jamzer wrote: [quote=CHE] So you've got to make a lot of presumptions to find it ironic.

Nah - just one. I have to walk through the cigarette smoke to get to my healthy food.

And I misunderstood you, Jamzer (though not Fl44's follow-up): I thought you were suggesting that it was ironic of the 'Snice employees to smoke outside their restaurant.