MLK Day of Service - clean up Crown Hts

Hello,

In honor of MLK Day of Service I'm gathering a group for another Clean Up Crown Hts event on Monday, Jan 18.
If you are interested, please sign up by emailing me at [email hidden].

Let's meet at noon in front of Bristen's, 751 Franklin Ave (between St Johns Pl & Sterling Pl). We'll work for about two hours, and clean up as much as we can between Eastern Parkway to Atlantic and Classon to Nostrand.

If you cannot be there on Monday but would like to donate supplies (or $ to purchase supplies), we'll need:
Large Black Garbage Bags
Blue or Clear Recycling Bags
Sturdy Gloves
Litter Grabbers, Old brooms, and dust bins


And yeah, the weather is supposed to cooperate this year.
Hope to see you on Monday!

Great ... We just posted this on our blog. Hope to see folks out there!

A great place to start is the empty lot on Franklin (@728). Lots of history laying in there.

*Bump*

Just a reminder about this....starts in about an hour.

I hate to be the contrarian but why would one clean up the streets? If people need a holiday to put trash in the right places as opposed to tossing it anywhere, they deserve to live in trash.

Also, consider this; if you clean it, what is the incentive for them to ever clean it themselves.

It is a nice sentiment; a nice thing to do on the surface but one of life's rules is that if you make a mess, you clean the mess. To clean it for them is simply out of whack.

I walked by the empty lot on Franklin and it is spotless. So clean that kids could use it for a park or playground. If the original poster and crew from Briston's did this it is really exceptional and anybody involved should be commended.

Park Place wrote: I hate to be the contrarian but why would one clean up the streets? If people need a holiday to put trash in the right places as opposed to tossing it anywhere, they deserve to live in trash.

Also, consider this; if you clean it, what is the incentive for them to ever clean it themselves.

It is a nice sentiment; a nice thing to do on the surface but one of life's rules is that if you make a mess, you clean the mess. To clean it for them is simply out of whack.

The people who saw us said "Thank you!" ... one even said that we were making him feel bad about his habits. This is how humans function -- they see trash on the ground, they think "what's one more bottle, bag, etc..." and it gets worse. They see people taking pride in the area and cleaning it, they may think twice about throwing it on the ground.

I _know_ that with kids at least if their school is trashed it gets worse. It is crazy what a fresh coat of paint and some strict guidelines for trash collection can do to a whole outlook on school/life. Adults are no different.

No one will ever make this place better until someone takes the first step. You want a place with less garbage on the ground? Then be the first person to pick something up.

Park Place wrote: I hate to be the contrarian but why would one clean up the streets? If people need a holiday to put trash in the right places as opposed to tossing it anywhere, they deserve to live in trash.

Also, consider this; if you clean it, what is the incentive for them to ever clean it themselves.

It is a nice sentiment; a nice thing to do on the surface but one of life's rules is that if you make a mess, you clean the mess. To clean it for them is simply out of whack.

You clean up trash in your neighborhood, because ITS YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD TOO!

I don't want to live in trash, therefore, it is to some extent my responsibility to clean up chicken bones that have been tossed down on the sidewalk, newspapers that blow into my yard, and leaves that fall from my neighbors tree. Would it be nice if my trashy neighbors were thoughtful enough not to make a mess? Yep, but I'm not going to wade through trash as some sort of protest either.

Society works because everyone makes it work. You make the mess, you clean the mess is great as a teaching tool for children, but the reality is that as an adult member of society we are often called on to do more than simply care for ourselves. I'll continue picking up other people's dog poo, empty 40 bottles, and nickel bags from in front of my house cause I don't want to live in filth. Period.

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homeowner wrote: [quote=Park Place]I hate to be the contrarian but why would one clean up the streets? If people need a holiday to put trash in the right places as opposed to tossing it anywhere, they deserve to live in trash.

Also, consider this; if you clean it, what is the incentive for them to ever clean it themselves.

It is a nice sentiment; a nice thing to do on the surface but one of life's rules is that if you make a mess, you clean the mess. To clean it for them is simply out of whack.

You clean up trash in your neighborhood, because ITS YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD TOO!

I don't want to live in trash, therefore, it is to some extent my responsibility to clean up chicken bones that have been tossed down on the sidewalk, newspapers that blow into my yard, and leaves that fall from my neighbors tree. Would it be nice if my trashy neighbors were thoughtful enough not to make a mess? Yep, but I'm not going to wade through trash as some sort of protest either.

Society works because everyone makes it work. You make the mess, you clean the mess is great as a teaching tool for children, but the reality is that as an adult member of society we are often called on to do more than simply care for ourselves. I'll continue picking up other people's dog poo, empty 40 bottles, and nickel bags from in front of my house cause I don't want to live in filth. Period.

I read your profile. You say you are between a rock and a hard place. How sad. On the other hand, I believe your rage has put you there. I wish you peace.

huh? you have a weird definition of "rage."

Park Place, when was the last time you were actually in Brooklyn?

Boston suburbs that boring?

jeffrey wrote: Park Place, when was the last time you were actually in Brooklyn?

Boston suburbs that boring?

I was there for the week between Christmas and New Years. When was the last time you stepped out of Brooklyn to gain perspective and the broad purview required to know that you do not clean up other peoples garbage because personal responsibility is the bottom line to a civilized world.

Well I guess that settles it.

(just not in the way PP expects, lol)

all hail Park Place!
We must respect his authority over us as he issues decrees from Boston.

whynot_31 wrote: all hail Park Place!
We must respect his authority over us as he issues decrees from Boston.

You are too funny.

Thats all fine. It is good to create a dialogue and disagreement is often the best part of that dialogue. If we all agreed, 90% of us would be unnecessary.

We can just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

I've got a photo and some ramblings about it up on the blog--taking part was definitely a worthwhile experience, at least for me. Thanks for organizing!

Here's the link: http://ilovefranklinave.blogspot.com/2010/01/cleaning-up-crown-heights.html

Park Place wrote: I hate to be the contrarian but why would one clean up the streets? If people need a holiday to put trash in the right places as opposed to tossing it anywhere, they deserve to live in trash.

Also, consider this; if you clean it, what is the incentive for them to ever clean it themselves.

It is a nice sentiment; a nice thing to do on the surface but one of life's rules is that if you make a mess, you clean the mess. To clean it for them is simply out of whack.

Maybe you just haven't thought clearly about this.

Google "Broken Windows"

spnder wrote: [quote=Park Place]I hate to be the contrarian but why would one clean up the streets? If people need a holiday to put trash in the right places as opposed to tossing it anywhere, they deserve to live in trash.

Also, consider this; if you clean it, what is the incentive for them to ever clean it themselves.

It is a nice sentiment; a nice thing to do on the surface but one of life's rules is that if you make a mess, you clean the mess. To clean it for them is simply out of whack.

Maybe you just haven't thought clearly about this.

Google "Broken Windows"

Interesting!

I have found "Broken Windows" ad will look into it.

Many thanks.

BB3

spnder wrote: [quote=Park Place]I hate to be the contrarian but why would one clean up the streets? If people need a holiday to put trash in the right places as opposed to tossing it anywhere, they deserve to live in trash.

Also, consider this; if you clean it, what is the incentive for them to ever clean it themselves.

It is a nice sentiment; a nice thing to do on the surface but one of life's rules is that if you make a mess, you clean the mess. To clean it for them is simply out of whack.

Maybe you just haven't thought clearly about this.

Google "Broken Windows"

Interesting!

I have found "Broken Windows" ad will look into it.

Many thanks.

BB3