Cheering in the Streets

<small>Get your own knuckles at the knuckle tattoo gun.</small>

^ thanks to enormous funding by the mormon church, of all the folks i don't associate with "traditional marriage". don't even get me started.

the arkansas thing is cracker jacks anyway you look at it. i seriously doubt they're plagued by having TOO MANY adoptive/foster parents. and it's not just gays -- it's anyone unmarried. stupid, stupid.

Kudos on all the noise! I was stuck on a long and boring conference call with Asia, when I heard my neighbors just go berserk. Switched the TV on, and yup, there I had it, MY NEW PRESIDENT! : ) It was a great excuse to end the call!

don't worry, the messiah will take care of the gay marriage issue. he's going to fix everything.... mortgages, gas, college tuition, economy

mmm hmmm, just like McCain/Pailin were going to "shake up Washington".

I had a great time yelling at the top of my lungs in PLG and Park Slope.
All the Manhattanites I work with had no general street party, which is just weird. Upper west side and east village, wtf?

3 more months of BUSHIT...yeah baby the countdown is on.

MCCain looks like Frankenstein when he raises his arms,lol.

dude, i'm glad he lost too, but you can't make fun of the arm thing, given that it's from torture. not cool.

sweet tea wrote: dude, i'm glad he lost too, but you can't make fun of the arm thing, given that it's from torture. not cool.

Agreed. Line crossed. There are plenty of other things about him to make fun of, let's all stick to the ones that are personality and judgment related.

sweet tea wrote: dude, i'm glad he lost too, but you can't make fun of the arm thing, given that it's from torture. not cool.

Although in fairness, by the Bush administration definition of torture, which McCain supported, he wasn't tortured.

Nope Carnivore....you cross the line too with what you said there.

veets wrote: Nope Carnivore....you cross the line too with what you said there.

No, I stand by it. I would define what he went through as torture. But although McCain initially had principles on this issue, he ultimately gave them up (as he did on so many other issues in this campaign) and supported the Bush definition.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/was-mccain-tort.html

Carnivore wrote: [quote=veets]Nope Carnivore....you cross the line too with what you said there.

No, I stand by it. I would define what he went through as torture. But although McCain initially had principles on this issue, he ultimately gave them up (as he did on so many other issues in this campaign) and supported the Bush definition.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/was-mccain-tort.html

thanks for posting that link... I get your standing firm on that line.

as for Prop 8, look to your own party for blame:

"If exit polls are to be believed, some 70 percent of African-Americans voted Yes on 8, as did 53 percent of Latinos and 49 percent of Asians; each of these demographics went heavily for Obama; blacks by a 94-to-6 margin. Los Angeles County, heavily minority, went 50-50 on Prop 8. These results have shocked gay activists, who knew from earlier polls, for example, that black voters favored Prop 8, but they were seeing much smaller margins, closer to 50 percent."

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081124/kim

eggcream wrote: as for Prop 8, look to your own party for blame:

"If exit polls are to be believed, some 70 percent of African-Americans voted Yes on 8, as did 53 percent of Latinos and 49 percent of Asians; each of these demographics went heavily for Obama; blacks by a 94-to-6 margin. Los Angeles County, heavily minority, went 50-50 on Prop 8. These results have shocked gay activists, who knew from earlier polls, for example, that black voters favored Prop 8, but they were seeing much smaller margins, closer to 50 percent."

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081124/kim

I don't think most people were shocked by that aspect of the story. It's ironic and sad, but homophobia is a big problem in the black community, as it is in other religious communities.

I too am saddened by the passage of Prop 8 and the homophobic ballot initiative in Arkansas to ban gay adoption (I know, I know it only says you have to be married to adopt but we all know the intent of the law).

That being said, I think we have made some good progress in general and I am happy that the vote in California was pretty close. I think 25 years ago the same initiative would have passed with 70-75% of the vote.

eggcream wrote: don't worry, the messiah will take care of the gay marriage issue. he's going to fix everything.... mortgages, gas, college tuition, economy

I'm so sick of this "messiah" nonsense. He's a leader with a world class intelligence and political temperament, and that's what we are looking for. I've voted third party since I could vote and actually had to be swayed to vote for Obama. But honestly, after 8 years of utter stupidity in the executive branch and the prospect of a president who can't even keep it together during a debate and a vice president who would need to study for years to be an idiot, it's not ridiculous for people to be excited about our president elect.

He's going to make tons of mistakes, and I'm sure I will be disappointed in his policies half the time, but I don't foresee myself being completely embarrassed like I've been for the last eight years.

Agitpunkt wrote: ...after 8 years of utter stupidity in the executive branch and the prospect of a president who can't even keep it together during a debate and a vice president who would need to study for years to be an idiot, it's not ridiculous for people to be excited about our president elect.

He's going to make tons of mistakes, and I'm sure I will be disappointed in his policies half the time, but I don't foresee myself being completely embarrassed like I've been for the last eight years.

In a nutshell, indeed.

eggcream wrote: as for Prop 8, look to your own party for blame:

"If exit polls are to be believed, some 70 percent of African-Americans voted Yes on 8, as did 53 percent of Latinos and 49 percent of Asians; each of these demographics went heavily for Obama; blacks by a 94-to-6 margin. Los Angeles County, heavily minority, went 50-50 on Prop 8. These results have shocked gay activists, who knew from earlier polls, for example, that black voters favored Prop 8, but they were seeing much smaller margins, closer to 50 percent."

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081124/kim

Oh, I don't doubt that it's bigoted Democrats that pushed Prop8 to victory. 37.1% voted for McCain in CA and 52.5% voted for Prop8. That means somewhere on the order of 15% of those who supported Obama also supported Prop8. Mystifying, but true.

I was more surprised that it passed after Obama and Schwarzenegger came out against it.

eggcream wrote: don't worry, the messiah will take care of the gay marriage issue. he's going to fix everything.... mortgages, gas, college tuition, economy

Oh, I don't think Obama's the "messiah." I never did.

....However, I do think he was the REAL maverick in the 2008 election.

I was in San Fran and people were going nuts in the street.

Unfortunately, it was bittersweet for CA residents with the approval of Prop 8.

Oh, and I just spoke with my gay boyfriend who lives in San Fran. He was shocked and disappointed to find out that his own parents (who love and support him) voted yes on 8.

I asked "WTF?"

He said that his mom (who is an educated woman) did not make the connection to equal rights as a whole, or she would have never voted yes. Her church sent a very strong message that this was an issue related to MARRIAGE (which she believes should be man/woman). Somehow she had a disconnect to protection of other rights.

Sadly, I don't think she was alone in this.

8thandPrez wrote: Oh, I don't doubt that it's bigoted Democrats that pushed Prop8 to victory. 37.1% voted for McCain in CA and 52.5% voted for Prop8. That means somewhere on the order of 15% of those who supported Obama also supported Prop8. Mystifying, but true.

I was more surprised that it passed after Obama and Schwarzenegger came out against it.

In fairness, that's assuming all Republicans voted for t it when there's undoubtedly a large number of fiscal conservative/social liberal Republicans that voted against it. The percentage of Democrats and Independents that voted for Prop 8 was surely much greater than 15%.

Carnivore wrote: [quote=8thandPrez]Oh, I don't doubt that it's bigoted Democrats that pushed Prop8 to victory. 37.1% voted for McCain in CA and 52.5% voted for Prop8. That means somewhere on the order of 15% of those who supported Obama also supported Prop8. Mystifying, but true.

I was more surprised that it passed after Obama and Schwarzenegger came out against it.

In fairness, that's assuming all Republicans voted for t it when there's undoubtedly a large number of fiscal conservative/social liberal Republicans that voted against it. The percentage of Democrats and Independents that voted for Prop 8 was surely much greater than 15%.

Fiscal conservative-social liberal Republican. Ha ha ha ha!!! Kidding, right? Those are called Democrats.

8thandPrez wrote: Fiscal conservative-social liberal Republican. Ha ha ha ha!!! Kidding, right? Those are called Democrats.

The Libertarian Ron Paul supporters probably didn't vote for Obama or Prop 8.

You're going to find homophobia across the board. Religious and political. Religious reasoning is self-explanatory by now, politicos feel it's not productive for the State and/or it's a mental disease. Then there are people who just don't like homosexuals.

Oooooooh.......guess we're not all on the same page after all.