Sorry guys, there'll be no Wilding tonight...

Subject: Sorry guys, there'll be no Wilding tonight...

At 5:15 this evening a group of thugs were arrested at the 15th st/ prospect park station.

They were jumping the turnstiles and were grabbed by the Police..

Hamilton, while I wasn't there, and didn't see them, and I certainly do not condone turnstile jumping, I gotta say... they don't look especially thuggish in the photos... they just look like teenagers.

Hamilton, while I wasn't there, and didn't see them, and I certainly do not condone turnstile jumping, I gotta say... they don't look especially thuggish in the photos... they just look like teenagers.

Hey Hamilton,

Just curious about what prompted your pic and post?

I have a friends who are clothed and under police who work the upper east and west side in Manhattan. I always marvel
at their tales of the neighborhood folk in those areas who are routinely arrested for theft of service (fare-beating) or more recently shoplifting at Whole Foods.

I suspect if i snapped pics of those perps, you might find it a tad awkward to label them as thugs,...or reference their arrests with a no wilding tonight. Historical reference: wilding was the tabloid NYPOSTIAN term applied to the youth arrested and convicted of raping the Central park jogger. Sadly, but conveniently not mentioned, after spending several years in jail, all the guys were released when DNA testing revealed they could not have committed the rape. The only link the DNA provided was to the joggers boyfriend.

In my humble opinion, anyone who gets arrested for this kind of stuff is a poor sap who had a lapse in judgement about the rewards & risks of their behavior. Not much more serious than my own behavior this week, got slapped with a ticket for $115 for parking in an illegal sp[ot while I dashed into a store for a quick pick up.

Not trying to bust chops here, but we should all remember that were not living in a post racial world...we all have to point these things out when we're guilty of these slip ups.

Hey Hamilton,

Just curious about what prompted your pic and post?

I have a friends who are clothed and under police who work the upper east and west side in Manhattan. I always marvel
at their tales of the neighborhood folk in those areas who are routinely arrested for theft of service (fare-beating) or more recently shoplifting at Whole Foods.

I suspect if i snapped pics of those perps, you might find it a tad awkward to label them as thugs,...or reference their arrests with a no wilding tonight. Historical reference: wilding was the tabloid NYPOSTIAN term applied to the youth arrested and convicted of raping the Central park jogger. Sadly, but conveniently not mentioned, after spending several years in jail, all the guys were released when DNA testing revealed they could not have committed the rape. The only link the DNA provided was to the joggers boyfriend.

In my humble opinion, anyone who gets arrested for this kind of stuff is a poor sap who had a lapse in judgement about the rewards & risks of their behavior. Not much more serious than my own behavior this week, got slapped with a ticket for $115 for parking in an illegal sp[ot while I dashed into a store for a quick pick up.

Not trying to bust chops here, but we should all remember that were not living in a post racial world...we all have to point these things out when we're guilty of these slip ups.

Those kids look extremely NON-thuggish. I hope this is a joke post.

Those kids look extremely NON-thuggish. I hope this is a joke post.

The fact that we had a woman murdered last year and an armed robbery in the neighborhood last week, I felt it might be in the neighborhoods interest to let them know about another incident.

I think if you ask your friends who are on the force they will probably tell you that the quite a few of the fare beaters have outstanding warrants.

I also feel when you have a group of seven jumping the turnstiles , it's not a lapse of judgement, it's display of arrogance.

But I guess we all have our standards.

The fact that we had a woman murdered last year and an armed robbery in the neighborhood last week, I felt it might be in the neighborhoods interest to let them know about another incident.

I think if you ask your friends who are on the force they will probably tell you that the quite a few of the fare beaters have outstanding warrants.

I also feel when you have a group of seven jumping the turnstiles , it's not a lapse of judgement, it's display of arrogance.

But I guess we all have our standards.

"The only link the DNA provided was to the joggers boyfriend."

Not true. Actually, the only DNA evidence that proved positive belongs to an incarcerated felon named Matias Reyes, who confessed to doing everything inflicted on that poor woman. He is serving a life sentence for numerous rapes and murders.

"The only link the DNA provided was to the joggers boyfriend."

Not true. Actually, the only DNA evidence that proved positive belongs to an incarcerated felon named Matias Reyes, who confessed to doing everything inflicted on that poor woman. He is serving a life sentence for numerous rapes and murders.

no one looks thuggish when cuffed, if you weren't there you didn't hear their ranting.

Break out the communion pictures

no one looks thuggish when cuffed, if you weren't there you didn't hear their ranting.

Break out the communion pictures

harrytrav wrote: Hey Hamilton,

Just curious about what prompted your pic and post?

I have a friends who are clothed and under police who work the upper east and west side in Manhattan. I always marvel
at their tales of the neighborhood folk in those areas who are routinely arrested for theft of service (fare-beating) or more recently shoplifting at Whole Foods.

I suspect if i snapped pics of those perps, you might find it a tad awkward to label them as thugs,...or reference their arrests with a no wilding tonight. Historical reference: wilding was the tabloid NYPOSTIAN term applied to the youth arrested and convicted of raping the Central park jogger. Sadly, but conveniently not mentioned, after spending several years in jail, all the guys were released when DNA testing revealed they could not have committed the rape. The only link the DNA provided was to the joggers boyfriend.

In my humble opinion, anyone who gets arrested for this kind of stuff is a poor sap who had a lapse in judgement about the rewards & risks of their behavior. Not much more serious than my own behavior this week, got slapped with a ticket for $115 for parking in an illegal sp[ot while I dashed into a store for a quick pick up.

Not trying to bust chops here, but we should all remember that were not living in a post racial world...we all have to point these things out when we're guilty of these slip ups.

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The term wilding was also the practice of groups of young people invading and looting stores and gang assaults on innocent people.

harrytrav wrote: Hey Hamilton,

Just curious about what prompted your pic and post?

I have a friends who are clothed and under police who work the upper east and west side in Manhattan. I always marvel
at their tales of the neighborhood folk in those areas who are routinely arrested for theft of service (fare-beating) or more recently shoplifting at Whole Foods.

I suspect if i snapped pics of those perps, you might find it a tad awkward to label them as thugs,...or reference their arrests with a no wilding tonight. Historical reference: wilding was the tabloid NYPOSTIAN term applied to the youth arrested and convicted of raping the Central park jogger. Sadly, but conveniently not mentioned, after spending several years in jail, all the guys were released when DNA testing revealed they could not have committed the rape. The only link the DNA provided was to the joggers boyfriend.

In my humble opinion, anyone who gets arrested for this kind of stuff is a poor sap who had a lapse in judgement about the rewards & risks of their behavior. Not much more serious than my own behavior this week, got slapped with a ticket for $115 for parking in an illegal sp[ot while I dashed into a store for a quick pick up.

Not trying to bust chops here, but we should all remember that were not living in a post racial world...we all have to point these things out when we're guilty of these slip ups.

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The term wilding was also the practice of groups of young people invading and looting stores and gang assaults on innocent people.

The most recent use of the term "wilding" I've seen is the guys who beat up some dude in Tompkins Sq. Park last week.

Farebeating was at the core of Giuliani's "start small" NYPD strategy that nabbed tons of criminals with dangerous pasts and took them off the streets.

I've been damn broke plenty of times, but I've always found a way to fork over the 2 bucks (no matter the friends I might have been trying to impress), and I don't think I'm in the minority.

The most recent use of the term "wilding" I've seen is the guys who beat up some dude in Tompkins Sq. Park last week.

Farebeating was at the core of Giuliani's "start small" NYPD strategy that nabbed tons of criminals with dangerous pasts and took them off the streets.

I've been damn broke plenty of times, but I've always found a way to fork over the 2 bucks (no matter the friends I might have been trying to impress), and I don't think I'm in the minority.

Hey jf22561,

you wrote:
""The only link the DNA provided was to the joggers boyfriend."

"Not true. Actually, the only DNA evidence that proved positive belongs to an incarcerated felon named Matias Reyes, who confessed to doing everything inflicted on that poor woman. He is serving a life sentence for numerous rapes and murders.

Correction noted, thanks.

The boyfriend question came up during the hysteria, and was never seriously pursued once a conviction seemed imminent.
(http://www.nytimes.com/1990/07/12/nyregion/jogger-hard-to-identify-in-hospital-friend-testifies.html)

The actual presence of the boyfriends semen, at the time was deemed inconsequential, in view of the larger body of evidence. Helen Benedict's narrative points to the sensationalized and racialized treatment that rape gets in just this circumstance. It doesn't deal with with the years later confession, where everything seemingly fits neatly together.

(http://books.google.com/books?id=O1E_d54kK94C&pg=PA226&lpg=PA226&dq=central+park+jogger+dna+link+to+her+boyfriend?&source=bl&ots=CLajI9CDNK&sig=w_Gkrc-2ccEPNnNVHpsNH2Twcuc&hl=en&ei=JGcXSpmpIMaGtgezx8TfDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#PPA252,M1)

However it is a great reference for this post, and how the perception of crime is influenced. Even in this day and age, I have friends who talked about feeling a kind of silent racial scorn when hearing Bernie Madoff being discussed. Different crime, but similar perceptive racial processing.

My thought is that we've got to do a better job of quickly referring to the historical stereotypes. The thing we all might be able to agree on, is that most of us would rather feel safer for what unites us, rather than what can divide us.

Hey jf22561,

you wrote:
""The only link the DNA provided was to the joggers boyfriend."

"Not true. Actually, the only DNA evidence that proved positive belongs to an incarcerated felon named Matias Reyes, who confessed to doing everything inflicted on that poor woman. He is serving a life sentence for numerous rapes and murders.

Correction noted, thanks.

The boyfriend question came up during the hysteria, and was never seriously pursued once a conviction seemed imminent.
(http://www.nytimes.com/1990/07/12/nyregion/jogger-hard-to-identify-in-hospital-friend-testifies.html)

The actual presence of the boyfriends semen, at the time was deemed inconsequential, in view of the larger body of evidence. Helen Benedict's narrative points to the sensationalized and racialized treatment that rape gets in just this circumstance. It doesn't deal with with the years later confession, where everything seemingly fits neatly together.

(http://books.google.com/books?id=O1E_d54kK94C&pg=PA226&lpg=PA226&dq=central+park+jogger+dna+link+to+her+boyfriend?&source=bl&ots=CLajI9CDNK&sig=w_Gkrc-2ccEPNnNVHpsNH2Twcuc&hl=en&ei=JGcXSpmpIMaGtgezx8TfDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#PPA252,M1)

However it is a great reference for this post, and how the perception of crime is influenced. Even in this day and age, I have friends who talked about feeling a kind of silent racial scorn when hearing Bernie Madoff being discussed. Different crime, but similar perceptive racial processing.

My thought is that we've got to do a better job of quickly referring to the historical stereotypes. The thing we all might be able to agree on, is that most of us would rather feel safer for what unites us, rather than what can divide us.

There was a drugs bust on Union t'ween 4th and 5th Aves early this evening -- I wonder if there's some Operation going on for the holiday weekend...

There was a drugs bust on Union t'ween 4th and 5th Aves early this evening -- I wonder if there's some Operation going on for the holiday weekend...

Hamilton wrote: The fact that we had a woman murdered last year and an armed robbery in the neighborhood last week, I felt it might be in the neighborhoods interest to let them know about another incident.

I think if you ask your friends who are on the force they will probably tell you that the quite a few of the fare beaters have outstanding warrants.

I also feel when you have a group of seven jumping the turnstiles , it's not a lapse of judgement, it's display of arrogance.

But I guess we all have our standards.

yea, murders and armed robberies, (and the perpetrators were caught fairly quickly in both instances) are pretty much the same as jumping the turnstiles.

Hamilton wrote: The fact that we had a woman murdered last year and an armed robbery in the neighborhood last week, I felt it might be in the neighborhoods interest to let them know about another incident.

I think if you ask your friends who are on the force they will probably tell you that the quite a few of the fare beaters have outstanding warrants.

I also feel when you have a group of seven jumping the turnstiles , it's not a lapse of judgement, it's display of arrogance.

But I guess we all have our standards.

yea, murders and armed robberies, (and the perpetrators were caught fairly quickly in both instances) are pretty much the same as jumping the turnstiles.

JUMPING TURNSTILES???!!! HIDE THE CHILDREN!!


jesus christ.

JUMPING TURNSTILES???!!! HIDE THE CHILDREN!!


jesus christ.

Carmen wrote: JUMPING TURNSTILES???!!! HIDE THE CHILDREN!!


jesus christ.

and LOCK YOU DOORS! IT'S WILDING SEASON

Flexichick wrote: [quote=Carmen]JUMPING TURNSTILES???!!! HIDE THE CHILDREN!!


jesus christ.

and LOCK YOU DOORS! IT'S WILDING SEASON


ahahha great phrase. "Wilding Season"

I spoke with a police officer this am, he said they probably didn't have or refused to show any ID and were taken to the station house to be checked for open warrants.

The police have to be able to act within reason and common sense for an appropriate response. While it's true many turnstile jumpers have other outstanding warrants, etc..these really look like just kids.
Once upon a time, in the Brooklyn you all so lament, this was as common as stickball.
I see how the police responded in force there, just like when 3 patrol cars pull up for going through a stop sign, and I can't help but think of how disproportional our response is.
Sentencing laws are a joke. Rapists and pedophiles get released every day-after serving maybe 5 years.
Maybe this will stop these teens from doing something stupid again, but nothing stops a pedophile.
The system is broken.
(And I admit to jumping a few myself. )

lol at this

my gf jumped the turnstiles at Atlantic and just got a ticket.

srsly, was this a turnstile jumping stakeout or something? ridiculous.