F Train 7th Avenue Closed

If you are heading to the city via the F you may need to take an alternate train. Lots of police and firemen on the 7 th Avenue platform. Anyone know what is going on?

suicide at 7th avenue station reportedly....

Oh no! That's awful.

Yup, no train service in-sight...

Take the B69 to Grand Army Plaza and from there take the 2 and 3 into the city

Or, walk over to the R, and take that

I was there at 7:45 this morning. Waited a few minutes and then everyone on the G train at the station got off and mumbled something about a jumper. I don't know exactly what happened but I high-tailed it to the R. Lots of firemen and EMTs rushing to the station as I was leaving.

I was about to go down to the F when there were squad cars, ambulances, and firetrucks converging on the station and I thought I'd better start hoofing it to the R because nothing was going to happen at the F station for awhile.

While it's sad to hear about someone possibly killing themselves I was walking next to some woman on her cell-phone all hysterical to someone about how she "can't be alone right now." Lady, if you actually saw what happened you'd be sticking around for the cops...as it is you think your life is a reality show. So fucking dramatic.

pastoralia wrote:

While it's sad to hear about someone possibly killing themselves I was walking next to some woman on her cell-phone all hysterical to someone about how she "can't be alone right now." Lady, if you actually saw what happened you'd be sticking around for the cops...as it is you think your life is a reality show. So fucking dramatic.

or, perhaps she had someone close to her commit suicide at some point in her life. ...and this train incident brought up all that unresolved crap, and she called a friend.

Nope...she was being dramatic...as evidenced by her boyfriend's eye-rolls.

Pastoralia.. You were there and paying attention so I would assume you read the signals right on this woman. Whynot is just suggesting there might be another explanation. Even without witnessing such an event, even being on site when it occurred would not start anyone's morning off in a good way.

Yes, yes...you're all right. It's a possibility that she had a tragedy happen in her past concerning suicide (for the record so have I) but she just had this "It's all about me" attitude that just bugged. Like the first thing she thinks of is to call someone and tell them the bad news.

Back to the topic at hand.....

NEW YORK (1010 WINS) -- Police in Brooklyn are investigating an incident on the subway tracks that has left one person dead and a second in critical condition.

It happened at the 7th Avenue station at 9th Street and 7th Avenue in Park Slope about 7:45 a.m.

One person was pronounced death at the scene, officials said.

Both people apparently were struck by a Northbound 'F' train.

...wonder how the second person was hit?

an attempt at heroics?

Maybe a suicide pact?

suicide is selfish

Even at my very worst I cannot compare to the horror and lack of sensitivity to the posts above.

I'll keep trying - I promise.

Drunken Revival wrote: Even at my very worst I cannot compare to the horror and lack of sensitivity to the posts above.

I'll keep trying - I promise.

For someone to be at such a low ebb as to commit suicide is truly sad. However, it's hard not to be annoyed by people who throw themselves in front of subway trains. You could scar someone for life by subjecting them to something so graphic. Clearly here the conductor nearly had a heart-attack as a result.....

I read somewhere that train station jumpers often look at the conductor, perhaps not to scar them, but to presumably see if they realize what is about to happen. Of course scarring them is just what they do.

The parents of the victim must be feeling pretty awful right now...

http://gothamist.com/2009/11/19/investigation_at_park_slope_7th_ave.php

"The train's operator was also taken to the hospital for trauma."

horrible all around.

Mpmav1 wrote: http://gothamist.com/2009/11/19/investigation_at_park_slope_7th_ave.php

"The train's operator was also taken to the hospital for trauma."

horrible all around.

Yes, horrible and yes it was the operator, not the conductor ( the conductor is in the middle of the train)

i was there just after it happened this morning. it is very sad. i think judgement is really unnecessary - judgement towards anyone connected with the situation in any way. i think a sign of weak character. if you can not conjure up a little sympathy for a victim of suicide you're just really insensitive...perhaps feelingless..or connected with suicide yourself in someway and as such self conscious about it. if someone was in such psychic/physical pain they thought dying in front of a train to be a satisfactory option then i am not going to blame them for being so insensitive to others around them. this person was obviously lacking perspective...

some people have what's called a mental illness. (ever heard of it before?) people who are mentally ill need help. and the reason they 'off' themself is probably because there are sadly too many people like you in the world waiting for the chance to accuse someone else of being weak..but sometimes people who suffer and eventually kill themselves endure great pain because they are sensitive people who are hurting inside. these people are better than those who feel no pain. the worst people are those who feel nothing. and so before you judge consider asking yourself why you might be reacting in such an angry way....it's not making the world any better

MOD NOTE: name-calling redacted

and it puts the focus on the person who is blaming.

Brooklyncommuter, your argument might be better received if you removed some of the expletives and upped the coherency. Also, your reaction seems to be a little disproportionate to the other opinions in this thread.

Over 90% of people in this thread have expressed sadness about the situation. Just because people don't share the same unconditional acceptance of today's events, doesn't mean their opinion isn't valid.

Be careful not to slip on that soapbox....

Oh wow - this is terrible! I get on at the 15th Street stop some mornings and the 7th Avenue stop other mornings. I did the 15th Street one this morning and must have seen the G-train that went by which is really creapy.

I can't imagine what this person was going through - and the poor train opperator as well.

Wow, I also can't image the poor witnesses. What a tragedy.

legalalien wrote: Brooklyncommuter, your argument might be better received if you removed some of the expletives and upped the coherency. Also, your reaction seems to be a little disproportionate to the other opinions in this thread.

Over 90% of people in this thread have expressed sadness about the situation. Just because people don't share the same unconditional acceptance of today's events, doesn't mean their opinion isn't valid.

Be careful not to slip on that soapbox....

i think it's pretty obvious who i was speaking to...and i think those who are sympathetic realize i wasn't speaking to them. and yes, everyone's opinion is valid...and so then i guess so is mine. as for you...so you are defending the 90% with whom i agree? so what's your point? oh and you seem to feel you are above using 'expletives'. o how very 'soapbox' of you...

Subject: Tragedy

legalalien wrote: Brooklyncommuter, your argument might be better received if you removed some of the expletives and upped the coherency. Also, your reaction seems to be a little disproportionate to the other opinions in this thread.

Over 90% of people in this thread have expressed sadness about the situation. Just because people don't share the same unconditional acceptance of today's events, doesn't mean their opinion isn't valid.

Be careful not to slip on that soapbox....

Sometimes I feel the words of "sympathy" that precede certain arguments are just preemptive statements. Some people say "how sad" only to better (and more inhumanly) criticize someone else.

I guess replying to this thread is like stepping into a shit-storm but I can't help it. I do feel extremely sorry for someone who would commit suicide, but I still agree with others who say it was a selfish act. Not only did they ruin their life, but they most likely scarred the life of the train operator and the witnesses possibly forever. I can't imagine what kind of feelings are going through the train operators head right now. Mentally ill or not- it was a selfish act.

It's like if a mentally deranged person murders someone else - I feel sorry for this person on some level b/c they were deranged enough to commit this act, but I don't excuse their actions one bit.

For once I have to agree with DR. This thread is really sad.

brooklyncommuter wrote: i was there just after it happened this morning. it is very sad. i think judgement is really unnecessary - judgement towards anyone connected with the situation in any way. i think a sign of weak character. if you can not conjure up a little sympathy for a victim of suicide you're just really insensitive...perhaps feelingless..or connected with suicide yourself in someway and as such self conscious about it. if someone was in such psychic/physical pain they thought dying in front of a train to be a satisfactory option then i am not going to blame them for being so insensitive to others around them. this person was obviously lacking perspective...so to the jackass that says this person should have 'offed' themself somewhere else, you are completely fucked up/ignorant to the idea that some people have what's called a mental illness. (ever heard of it before?) people who are mentally ill need help you dumb fuck. and the reason they 'off' themself is probably because there are sadly too many people like you in the world waiting for the chance to accuse someone else of being weak..but sometimes people who suffer and eventually kill themselves endure great pain because they are sensitive people who are hurting inside. these people are better than those who feel no pain. the worst people are those who feel nothing. and so before you judge consider asking yourself why you might be reacting in such an angry way....it's not making the world any better

they're not a victim, they're a perpetrator... if life is too hard and you just can't take it anymore, then OD on sleeping pills or stick your head in the oven instead of making a public spectacle of your death, and inconveniencing everyone... look at the train driver in this situation (heart attack?)... or what if a kid saw it?

i have absolutely no compassion for suicidal people...

Carmen wrote: For once I have to agree with DR. This thread is really sad.

Yep..
First time I am incomplete agreement with DR.
The whole thread is completely sad!

And this will be my only contribution.


p.s.

Sad victim.. of life... RIP

willregistersoon wrote:
It's like if a mentally deranged person murders someone else - I feel sorry for this person on some level b/c they were deranged enough to commit this act, but I don't excuse their actions one bit.

Whilst a little extreme of an example, this is a good point. When does it become acceptable for one to not be responsible for their actions when it so negatively
impacts on others? It's possible to sympathize with someone and still know they are the reason something negative happened.

If the driver were to have had a heart attack and died, that would have been entirely the fault of the jumper. Would everyone still be expected to feel unconditionally sympathetic? Life (and death) is full of grey areas and hardly anything is black and white. Yes, it's sad for the jumper....it just doesn't stop and end there. Sadly they have gone, but they've left an absolute mess now that needs to be addressed.

PS, is it usually as tasty on here? I never knew Park Slope was such a hive of antagonistic people!

The amazing thing is that the G train was moving fast enough to hurt someone.

Station was a mess, of course - told my kid it was probably a typical MTA screw up of some sort. Alas, when she saw the ambulances I had to break the news that it wasn't some bag of apples those guys were trying to trying to find under the train. Strange about the second person though - any updates on that?