that party space by ripple

calling in a noise complaint to 911 gets you transferred to 311. except .. you told 911 that the nosie makers had vehicles and alcohol. and you still get transferred. and 311 wants your name and phone # if you want your complaint investigated. FUCK 311. 911 is clearly the way to go. but how to get them to pay attention. mention children or violence or both. it's sad, but true - getting a scary situation investigated is difficult in this city.

I mean, when I lived in houston, the 4th largest city in the us, I could get the cops out in 5 minutes when I called to complain about protestors blocking a sidewalk. nyc clearly gives a fuck. not that I'm moving back to texas - I just don't think nyc should be second to texas in anything.

311 doesn't require a name to file a complaint - I've always done it anonymously. You can just say you prefer not to give your name. Of course, no cop has ever showed up to disturb the nightly Lincoln Place block party either so maybe it does help...

The cops were there last night. I don't think that you were the only one that complained. These two though ladie cops told them to close the doors and keep the sound in. NY's finest hard at work...

djuoh wrote: The cops were there last night. I don't think that you were the only one that complained. These two though ladie cops told them to close the doors and keep the sound in. NY's finest hard at work...

oh, good. I was super irritated. the folks from that space are so so so noisy. 10x more noisy than ripple ppl.

What was the scary situation? You said it was a noise complaint - 911 is for emergencies. If 311 isn't doing it for you, call the local precinct. But tying up a 911 operator because people are loud is stupid, and why they started 311.

devincf wrote: What was the scary situation? You said it was a noise complaint - 911 is for emergencies. If 311 isn't doing it for you, call the local precinct. But tying up a 911 operator because people are loud is stupid, and why they started 311.

people from that space pushed in behind me a few months ago.

the noise is accompanied by open containers, vehicles, children, and lots of pushing and shoving.

if you don't care about situations that can and will escalate, that's your problem. since I've already had to experience the terror of the escalated situation, I refuse to tolerate the shit.

Here's your problem:


YOU CALLED 911 ON A NOISE COMPLAINT.





If you can't see what's wrong with that, you are a moron.

lol @ terror

open containers aren't a 911 issue.

noise isn't a 911 issue.

"children" isn't a 911 issue.

Unless the actual specific people who "pushed in behind" you (I am assuming this means into your building?) were out in front of your place, trying to push in again, nothing here was a 911 issue.

I bet these "terrifying" people were black, though. Maybe that was the 911 issue.

I think that any person who is pushed in by another person or persons is entitled to call 911. The race of either party is irrelevant.

uh. who said anything about race? cause I sure as shit didn't, so please, take your race issue and go home.

when the people with open containers are shoving children, pushing women around and getting into cars to drive them, it is a 911 issue. my OP was that I had, at most, a noise complaint, when I was sitting on my sofa. but as I watched through the window, while on the phone with both 911 and 311, I realized the situation was much worse than that I was originally reporting.

the people who shoved in behind me into my building were coming from the same space, were obviously drunk, and were also carrying open containers.

both incidents occurred after midnight.

I'm very sorry if my inarticulateness on my original post didn't make the above clear.

Hey Tony and Devin - stop trying to be intimidating - you can make a point without calling people a moron or belittling their fears -

Jack Krohn wrote: I think that any person who is pushed in by another person or persons is entitled to call 911. The race of either party is irrelevant.

Every night? The pushing in did not occur the night when she called in a noise complaint to 911.

As for the race issue - why is this being intimidating? This looks like a classic race issue - if you had a problem with a patron at Soda, would you assume all patrons at Soda were going to be a problem? No, of course not. But you have problems with people from this space, and you assume all people from this space will be a problem.

As for using open containers as any sort of argument point - please. I hope you have 911 fully alerted to the open wine bottles when there's music in Prospect Park. Open container is a bullshit law that is aimed at giving cops a reason to hassle people.

The thing is that even in the better explained post you come across like a hysterical crybaby. Lock you doors indeed.

You know, and if I'm being harsh, it's for two reasons:

one, you're misusing 911. That's serious and stupid.

Two, you boast about calling the cops on protesters who were "blocking the sidewalk." Oh my goodness, what a problem that must have been for you. Give me convenience or give me death, I guess.

devincf wrote: [quote=Jack Krohn]I think that any person who is pushed in by another person or persons is entitled to call 911. The race of either party is irrelevant.

Every night? The pushing in did not occur the night when she called in a noise complaint to 911.

As for the race issue - why is this being intimidating? This looks like a classic race issue - if you had a problem with a patron at Soda, would you assume all patrons at Soda were going to be a problem? No, of course not. But you have problems with people from this space, and you assume all people from this space will be a problem.

As for using open containers as any sort of argument point - please. I hope you have 911 fully alerted to the open wine bottles when there's music in Prospect Park. Open container is a bullshit law that is aimed at giving cops a reason to hassle people.

The thing is that even in the better explained post you come across like a hysterical crybaby. Lock you doors indeed.

I don't complain every time they have a party there, so no, I don't assume all of the patrons of that space are problematic.

race? I still don't see your argument. maybe it's your problem.

I don't think I'm a hysterical crybaby. violence against women and children is very scary. when I am witnessing it, I think it's something that should be reported to the police. I'm guessing, since my call was initially rerouted to 311, but was responded to very quickly according to a post above, my further comments re-elevated my call to a 911 issue. I should hope so. if I were, either because I was attending a party or walking home and caught up in a crowd, the victim of such violence, I would hope the police would deem my situation an emergency.

Sorry, Stacey, I call em like I see em. Calling 911 for a noise complaint is stupid and irresposible.

You got threatened or hurt or you need to report some other violent activity? Sure, be my guest, 911 is the place to call for urgent police reporting. Calling for a noise complaint, something she said was the subject of her first call, is just ridiculous.

devincf wrote:
one, you're misusing 911. That's serious and stupid.

this is hilarious... goodness gracious, alafarnadia: you should be ashamed of yourself.

(wtf?)

vanilla wrote: [quote=devincf]
one, you're misusing 911. That's serious and stupid.

this is hilarious... goodness gracious, alafarnadia: you should be ashamed of yourself.

(wtf?)

yeah, I know. le sigh. :roll: :roll:

vanilla wrote: [quote=devincf]
one, you're misusing 911. That's serious and stupid.

this is hilarious... goodness gracious, alafarnadia: you should be ashamed of yourself.

(wtf?)

lol, you're right vanilla. I call 911 to get directions sometimes! That's what emergency services are there for!

alafairnadia wrote: [quote=devincf][quote=Jack Krohn]I think that any person who is pushed in by another person or persons is entitled to call 911. The race of either party is irrelevant.

Every night? The pushing in did not occur the night when she called in a noise complaint to 911.

As for the race issue - why is this being intimidating? This looks like a classic race issue - if you had a problem with a patron at Soda, would you assume all patrons at Soda were going to be a problem? No, of course not. But you have problems with people from this space, and you assume all people from this space will be a problem.

As for using open containers as any sort of argument point - please. I hope you have 911 fully alerted to the open wine bottles when there's music in Prospect Park. Open container is a bullshit law that is aimed at giving cops a reason to hassle people.

The thing is that even in the better explained post you come across like a hysterical crybaby. Lock you doors indeed.

I don't complain every time they have a party there, so no, I don't assume all of the patrons of that space are problematic.

race? I still don't see your argument. maybe it's your problem.

I don't think I'm a hysterical crybaby. violence against women and children is very scary. when I am witnessing it, I think it's something that should be reported to the police. I'm guessing, since my call was initially rerouted to 311, but was responded to very quickly according to a post above, my further comments re-elevated my call to a 911 issue. I should hope so. if I were, either because I was attending a party or walking home and caught up in a crowd, the victim of such violence, I would hope the police would deem my situation an emergency.

Also, I call massive bullshit on you. You talked about open containers and vehicles in the first post, and with every post you embellish. I can't wait until they're shooting AKs into the sky and wiring dynamite to the Brooklyn Bridge in a future post.

devincf wrote: Also, I call massive bullshit on you. You talked about open containers and vehicles in the first post, and with every post you embellish. I can't wait until they're shooting AKs into the sky and wiring dynamite to the Brooklyn Bridge in a future post.

I call massive 'prick' on you.

I heard they were allowed to park illegally in front of the police station!

WhyFi wrote: [quote=devincf]Also, I call massive bullshit on you. You talked about open containers and vehicles in the first post, and with every post you embellish. I can't wait until they're shooting AKs into the sky and wiring dynamite to the Brooklyn Bridge in a future post.

I call massive 'prick' on you.

Prick or not, I'm right and you know it.

1) You weren't there.

2) It was a judgement call, she felt that it was the best course of action. We're not talking about Barry Bonds' slugging percentage in 2002 - there is no definite right or wrong, so stop being a prick.

There is a right and a wrong when it comes to calling 911. It is wrong to call it for a noise complaint.

And her first post shows the truth - if there was "violence" happening, how did it not get mentioned right up front? It's like describing 9/11 as "There was a fire at the Twin Towers." You're telling me that people were acting violent in front of her building and all she mentions is open containers?

I appreciate that you guys are neighborhood busybody buddies, but give me a break. She's adding drama to every post about the event.

devincf wrote: There is a right and a wrong when it comes to calling 911. It is wrong to call it for a noise complaint.

And her first post shows the truth - if there was "violence" happening, how did it not get mentioned right up front? It's like describing 9/11 as "There was a fire at the Twin Towers." You're telling me that people were acting violent in front of her building and all she mentions is open containers?

This is your opinion based upon your assumption.

devincf wrote: I appreciate that you guys are neighborhood busybody buddies, but give me a break. She's adding drama to every post about the event.

Disagree with people if you'd like, that's fine; my beef with you is A) the "My Compass Always Points North" attitude that you project and the fact that you don't have the balls to have these discussions, with said attitude, in person.

Believe it or not, there are situations where there isn't a clear line between right and wrong. Believe it or not, you're not always right. If you do happen to be right (which I, again, not conceding in this case), you don't have to be a prick.

as I said in my ... 3rd post ... the first post was very disorganized/confused/irritated. no add'l drama being added. the series of events, should you care, was:

I heard noise. I was on my sofa. it continued past midnight. I, wrongly, called 911 to make a complaint about the noise. I was transferred to 311. I got up from the sofa to figure out the building number of the noisy spot. I looked out of my window. I saw the more 911-worthy activities at that point. I reported them all to the 311 operator.

devincf wrote: There is a right and a wrong when it comes to calling 911. It is wrong to call it for a noise complaint.

I find you to be misinformed, in addition to being extremely hostile and uncivil to alafairnadia, for reasons that are best known to you.

I have, several times in the past, called 311 about noise issues (car alarms, mostly) and been told--at different times by different 311 operators, mind--to call 911. According to those people, 311 can't help after hours, and they can only really help with something that is ongoing/predictable. For something that is happening right now, I was told, 911 is the number to call. When I expressed skepticism (the first time an 311 operator told me this), the operator stressed that calling 911 was the thing to do.

The idea that calling 911 for things that aren't "big enough emergencies" is bad seems predicated on the belief that 911 doesn't have enough operators for its call volume, so calling 911 for more trivial matters is preventing help from getting to people who need it more. I don't see any evidence that that's true.

Maybe the solution is calling your local precinct after hours, then -- doesn't tie up a 911 operator, but still gets directly to the cops.

alafairnadia wrote: as I said in my ... 3rd post ... the first post was very disorganized/confused/irritated. no add'l drama being added. the series of events, should you care, was:

I heard noise. I was on my sofa. it continued past midnight. I, wrongly, called 911 to make a complaint about the noise. I was transferred to 311. I got up from the sofa to figure out the building number of the noisy spot. I looked out of my window. I saw the more 911-worthy activities at that point. I reported them all to the 311 operator.

so, you're admitting defeat here. you're AGREEING that calling 911 for noise was wrong.

Tony Balls wrote: [quote=alafairnadia]as I said in my ... 3rd post ... the first post was very disorganized/confused/irritated. no add'l drama being added. the series of events, should you care, was:

I heard noise. I was on my sofa. it continued past midnight. I, wrongly, called 911 to make a complaint about the noise. I was transferred to 311. I got up from the sofa to figure out the building number of the noisy spot. I looked out of my window. I saw the more 911-worthy activities at that point. I reported them all to the 311 operator.

so, you're admitting defeat here. you're AGREEING that calling 911 for noise was wrong.

I said I was wrong several posts ago. not sure how that is admitting defeat, though. this isn't a contest. it certainly doesn't give you the right to be a jerk to me.

further, reading EmilyM's post suggests that I wasn't completely wrong to start with 911. next time I'm irritated about noise I'll start with 311 and see what happens. not sure I'll post the results, though.

okay, information first:

i checked out the nypd website, and they advocate calling the precinct (note: not 311) for noise complaints. they also advocate using 911 for "anything requiring immediate attention", so, while calling the precinct is the best choice, it seems like 911 be a better 2nd choice than calling 311, which isn't built for quick response.

now opinion:

calling 911 is, of course, not for fun and games, but for heaven's sake, it's not like it's just one guy on a phone with no call waiting, and you're tying up the line while babies die. they are perfectly capable of determining whether a call should be turfed or responded to. and same thing with the police in general. there's no reason the police can't drive over to check out a noise compaint and leave if there's a sudden exploding baby situation elsewhere. that's why they have radios. someone over there understands triage, i'm sure of it.

and those of you who are taking out some kind of childhood injury or insecurity on alafairnadia, well, i hope you have a better day tomorrow.

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