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The Repurposing of the Armory at Bedford and UNION

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  • whynot_31
    whynot_31

    @homeowner -

    St John's lists women's swim as happening on Tuesday's at 7:30. 

    https://www.nycgovparks.org/facilities/recreationcenters/B245/schedule#Pool

    ...once it is built, the armory pool might be nicer and -um- more exclusive.

  • DDC
    DDC
    Hearing this project may have stalled due the expiration of 421-a. Can anyone confirm or deny?
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    edited July 2016
    I can't confirm or deny 421a's impact on the site.

    However, I will add the this site is subject to ULURP, as a result of being publicly owned and a portion being sold for town homes.

    It is a lengthy process.
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    edited August 2016

    The developers now want nonprofits that would like to use the facility to provide their opinions via a questionarie :

    http://files.ctctcdn.com/3d484e69501/4003cf63-a12a-4555-8ff5-65587d39ecdb.pdf

  • yesbrooklyn
    yesbrooklyn
    Seems like a lot of moving parts in this project and a lot to manage considering 'Bedford Courts' is a newly established organization and therefore never done something like this.  I hope they get some real savvy for-profit-world business advisors who are experienced so this doesn't turn into chaos.  I wonder why they are seeking to do so much at once as opposed to filling space organically over time and taking it slow in the beginning.

    Surprised the questionnaire is from Bedford Courts and not CAMBA?  CAMBA while experienced doesn't have a reputation for being organized or for being the best managers.

    Much like charter schools community organizations need time to get a strong team together to run the place before they start cranking at full-tilt (or in the case of charter schools opening to every single grade).  Charter schools start with 1 or 2 younger grades and built up.  Seems like the sports facility aspect of this project is a big enough endeavor and then adding the office spaces and non-profits at the same time could be alot to manage.
  • nateasensky
    nateasensky
    Man, I want that pool...
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    edited August 2016
  • yesbrooklyn
    yesbrooklyn
    This presumes a couple of things.  

    1.  Non-shady developers exist
    2.  CB9 protest leaders can rationalize and understand complicated economics in play
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    Those opposed to it now include Bertha Lewis.

    http://therealdeal.com/2016/08/10/activists-call-on-carmelo-anthony-to-pull-support-from-bedford-union-armory-project/

    ...locals may remember her from her days with ACORN and cashing in on Barclays center.


    DeBlasio might not even like her:
    http://m.nydailynews.com/news/politics/exclusive-de-blasio-aides-refuse-bertha-lewis-roundtable-article-1.2310233
  • yesbrooklyn
    yesbrooklyn
    edited August 2016
    Can someone explain to me why contracts would be awarded to people based on gender and skin color as opposed to natural economic forces?  Not so sure I understand the nuance of why women and people of color work for only certain companies?  

    What Lewis is asking for seems like preferential treatment just because?  Just trying to understand here...

    And nevermind the whole Slate issue for the moment...
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    As you may recall, Lewis dropped her objections to Atlantic Yards after receiving a large donation from FCR, and some mandates re: hiring people who live in NYCHA.

    She may be hopeing for a similar outcome here.

    ...money is a lot easier to count than impact. This community is for sale, and she wants to be the seller.
  • crownheightster
    crownheightster
    After protest against Slate, it sold its interest in the Bedford-Union Armory project to BFC (its co-partner)

  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    edited August 2016
    My wife and I engage in similar practices.    Like Slate and BFC, we have different last names.

    When we think her last name will result in better service, we use it.
    Likewise, there are occasions when we feel mine will help us out, and use it.
  • FromSuchGreatHeights
    FromSuchGreatHeights
    Hmm...That article has a picture of the wrong armory, no? That's the other one at Bedford and Pacific, which is currently a homeless shelter. 
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    edited August 2016
    yup, it may have been written (and edited) by someone who has never been to the area.

  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    edited August 2016
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    bed
  • crownheightster
    crownheightster
    OMG. I can't wait to hear how this meeting goes.
  • yesbrooklyn
    yesbrooklyn
    Now that's Slate is gone what's the new bone to pick?
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    edited August 2016
    Well, I think it is safe to say that several of the bidders that were not chosen in favor of Slate are going to want to be selected as the replacement.

    Depending upon how they perceive the audience, each will state how they are more community focused, will hire locally, will use union labor, and/or be able to construct facility that is able to provide services for free to the elderly and under privileged.

    We have only begun...


  • crownheightster
    crownheightster
    Does BFC even need a replacement for Slate? I mean, is it required that there be two developers?
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    I have no idea whether one is legally required, but will state that BFC is massive enough that it likely does not need the help of an additional developer.    

     Here's a list of their present and past projects:


    BTW, I assume BFC bid on the armory with the assumption that they would be partnered with a developer, and had a defined set of responsibilities.

    ... adjusting such contracts after the fact may be problematic.
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    EDC is screwed

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  • crownheightster
    crownheightster
    This makes me sad. I was so looking forward to having a pool in the neighborhood. 
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    Maybe in 2025, as opposed to 2020.
  • crownheightster
    crownheightster
    Something to look forward to. Like the Barclays Center.
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    Tonight's town hall mtg should be interesting
  • yesbrooklyn
    yesbrooklyn
    someone live blog!  i was so hoping to go but stuck at work...