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The Repurposing of the Armory at Bedford and UNION

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  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    CAMBA's Mother Gaston development will soon be ready for occupancy, and the lottery for its affordable units is now open.

    http://www.brownstoner.com/real-estate-market/affordable-housing-brooklyn-brownsville-603-mother-gaston-boulevard/

    (CAMBA will operate the recreation facility planned at the armory, and may have a role in operating the residential building)
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    edited April 2017
    That writer (Mr Davis) will benefit from far below market office space.

    This writer will administer the $500k fund described above: http://www.brooklyneagle.com/articles/2017/4/4/opinion-let’s-work-together-succeed-bedford-union-armory

    (Cut and paste, don't merely click)

    As one might expect, both are in support of the current plan.
  • Rick656
    Rick656
    Anybody disagree with what seems to be the bottom line here: "Here’s one thing I know for sure: If we kill the deal, we won’t get any more affordable housing. We will get nothing. No rec center for our youth, no office space for our nonprofits and no housing for low- and middle-income families. The armory will simply sit vacant for many more years to come."
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    Those who believe in killing the deal seem to believe that money to support their utopian visions will magically appear.

  • crownheightster
    crownheightster
    I don't disagree. I think if this deal gets killed, the best we can hope for is an empty, unused Armory. I fear the City or State might stick it to us/Diana Richardson and give us a sister homeless shelter to the Bedford Atlantic Armory. You know how petty those politicians can be.
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    edited April 2017
    The Democratic Socialists of America are going to march in opposition on April 12th

    https://www.facebook.com/events/213779502440511/?ti=icl

    I hope they remember to wear red.
  • Marco555
    Marco555
    edited April 2017
    They're marching in Fort Greene park! Seems like a funny location to do this?
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    edited April 2017
    At first glance, you would think so.

    However, this was basically a march through Laurie Cumbo's district by Ede Fox.

    Ms. Cumbo is one of the main supporters of the present deal, and Ms. Fox is running against her in the next election.


    Her campaign, along with the construction union that would like to be hired for the project, is behind much of the opposition.
  • yesbrooklyn
    yesbrooklyn
    edited April 2017
    "experience with community land trusts" hahahaha please
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    edited April 2017
    As discussed above, Mr Davis and First Baptist are both receiving benefits from the developer.

  • yesbrooklyn
    yesbrooklyn
    Does anyone know anything about the substation across the street?  How would one get information about it?
  • yesbrooklyn
    yesbrooklyn
    Yes, I'm curious what the MTA uses it for too.  Thanks for this brownstoner link :)
  • dmiami2
    dmiami2
    The old car dealership is not a substation... I think it's just a garage used by the city.   

  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    Ede Fox seems to be making Laurie Cumbo's support of the present armory plan a central component of her campaign against her.

    However, it is not clear to me how much the average voter cares or is informed.

    Not a big voter turnout in our district
  • crownheightster
    crownheightster
    I will make sure to go out and vote for Laurie. She has a good head on her shoulders.
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    No one is running against Jesse Hamilton, but he knows that his constituents are afraid of being priced out of their homes


    If the development was 100% affordable (defined by him as apartments renting for under $1000), there would be no money from the development to subsidize the recreation center.


  • doughmane
    doughmane

    His announcement of joining the IDC, just prior to election day, illustrated his clear dedication and commitment to fostering his own career and interests, instead of the needs and interests of citizens in his district.   

    And stop wasting paper on those flyers, Jesse!      

  • b_funk
    b_funk
    edited April 2017

  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    As result of BFC's moves, it's opposition is no longer able to paint the project as being not for the community (which seems to be a euphemism for low income long term residents, which is a euphemism for black people).

    As you maybe aware, one of the main forces opposed is unions: They want only (expensive) union labor to be used in the project.

    However, this group comes into conflict with the opposition people who want it to be "100% affordable"

    So, the opposition is at risk of falling apart now that First Baptist, WIADCA and Davis have signed on in support of the project.

    Sorry, there isn't enough money that EVERYONE can get more than they deserve.
  • crownheightster
    crownheightster
    "As part of the partnership in development, CAMBA will oversee the rec space, which will include Team First, New Heights Youth, Central Brooklyn Soccer Club, Imagine Swimming and the Kings County Tennis League. Additionally, all programming will be free or discounted for Crown Heights residents. There will be more opportunities for other operators at the Armory’s rec center and additional operators are expected to join in the near future." 


    I swear to god, if the "community" effs up this deal, I'm gonna throw a hissy fit.
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    Dare I ask how they are going to define "Crown Heights"?

    Does PLG and Brownsville have less of a claim to this city owned armory?
  • b_funk
    b_funk
    @crownheightster ... call our councilwoman and tell her you want this.  http://council.nyc.gov/district-35/
  • crownheightster
    crownheightster
    @b_funk -- I've called Laurie so many times that her chief of staff knows me by name :)
  • b_funk
    b_funk
    lol.  me too.  just wanted to make sure she's hearing from the supporters too!
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    Construction Unions have become so weak that they can no longer compete for many market rate projects, and must really fight to get the government and quasi government ones.

    This is a quasi government one.

    I won't be sad if they do not get it.
  • mac1
    mac1
    Whynot, what's your sense of what happens with this project now?  And when will we know?  

  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    I believe we will know after Laurie Cumbo's re-election in November.

    ...and it will happen, but take far longer than it should because it won't be very profitable to construct, and developers will prioritize other projects as a result.

    Note: In the unlikely event that Cumbo is defeated by Ede Fox, it will still happen but take even longer.

    ...and we may end up with a rec center that is always closed because it lacks a subsidy.