Race on DH (again)

daver

sneakyonstmarks wrote: And when i thought about it later and walked by the church again, i saw a metal rod close to where i was attacked. If i would have seen it i would have bashed a head or two and it would have been in self defense!

My experience with that sort of thing is that while it is fun while it lasts, the crowd soon takes it from you and you get the other end.

Don't let me stop yer fun though!

drkman

Subject: Re: Reality

brooklynboy3 wrote: Understood Anthony and on some levels, agree, BUT, and it is a VERY big but...find me someone in PH who was mugged by a white person. You can make all of the socioeconomic arguments you like but the facts are the facts.

Some might think of me as a racist but I am not. I have lived with all kinds of people all of my life but I will not allow myself to be a victim of crime in order to be politically correct. I will not say we are all equal and all the same because we are NOT.

If the majority of violence in PH were done by whites, I would be the first to say it and the first to cross the street in an attempt to be safe. This is not a time to be political correct. This is a time to statements of accuracy.

Tell me Anthony; if you had a daughter who was 16 or 17 ad she was walking the streets at night, would you give her any advice to keep her safe? What might that advice be?

I have read your stuff in the past Anthony. You are a straight shooter. Tell me what you would tell your daughter.

I don't have children but I can tell you what I do tell my nieces and nephews that are around that age and those that are older. For all of them, but I especially stress with the girls, is that if are going out at night, make sure that you have cab fare so that you do not walk the streets at night. If you are with a group of people, make sure that you all stick together if you are using mass transit and if for some reason, you are by yourself and have to use mass transit, give me or someone else a call so that you can be met at the train station or the bus stop. Those are the precautions that I was given growing up and I still believe that they are effective. I am not that concerned about them being mugged per se but of being sexually harassed by some guy in the street (the girls I mean). For the guys, I suggest that they be very aware of their surroundings and don't be concerned with any mano y mano bs. Not worth the effort or the energy that you have to expend. If you are in a situation that appears to be spiraling out of control, extract yourself in the best way possible. All of those things though I consider street smarts. That ability for people to be able to look at a situation, size it up and make a decision based on reality and not on fear because the same person or people that you fear may be the same people or person that will help to protect you.

For example, one day (years ago) on the A train, some guy was harassing a young female. Before the train was able to get to the next station, a group of guys had jumped up to protect this young lady to ensure that she was not being hurt since it was evident that she did not know this guy. Once we got out the station on Nostrand, I approached the girl to make sure she was alright, told her to take a cab and go home and gave her the cab fare. That is just one situation but I have seen it time and time again, where people stand up and help those that are being harassed and that is why I don't think viewing someone and what may happen through the lens of race is a good idea.

Personally, I do not know anyone who had a street crime committed against them by a White person in Prospect Heights but I would not think that I would. Maybe some other type of crime but not a street crime. The reason that this may be is because of the difference in the socio-economic conditions of the majority of White people that live in the neighborhood. Not saying that everyone is rich or upper middle class but I do think that the financial situation is different then "some" of the Black people that live in the neighborhood or in my neighborhood (Crown Heights). To be honest, it would not surprise me if the majority of street crime is being committed by people from my neighborhood since the socio-economic conditions are very different. From my understanding the median income in Prospect Heights is around 49,000 while the average is around 66,000. In neighboring Crown Heights the median is 33,000 while the average is around 47,000. Big difference in neighborhoods that border each other and I could see crime overlapping due to this difference.

I did not take your statement as being racist but I was trying to convey that making a judgment of crime based on race is not the best way to protect yourself from crime. I'm basing this on living in New York and the different neighborhoods that I have lived and found that everyone basically deals with the same kind of issues regardless of what race the majority of the neighborhood was. In a Puerto Rican neighborhood most crimes are committed by Puerto Ricans, in a White neighborhood by Whites, Dominican area, Dominicans, Black area, Blacks and so on and so on but I have never felt threatened by crime in any neighborhood that I have lived in and I would not base my opinions on crime based on who is committing it in that area. I try and look at the actions of the people to determine if a real threat exists. Thanks for the response.

whynot_31

drkman and Daver, I couldn't agree with you more. Thanks for elevating the rhetoric.

The stats point to five big indicators: low income (1), poorly educated (2), intoxicated (3), young (4) men (5) as being the prepatrators of many types of crime.

Race is rarely mentioned as being a factor which influences crime.

...so if you come upon a group of folks who are hanging out and meet all five of the criteria, it's a good time to think about your safety. ...the dominant race of the folks really isn't a big influence: whites, hispanic, black, asian, etc.

brooklynboy3

Subject: Re: Reality

drkman wrote: [quote=brooklynboy3] Understood Anthony and on some levels, agree, BUT, and it is a VERY big but...find me someone in PH who was mugged by a white person. You can make all of the socioeconomic arguments you like but the facts are the facts.

Some might think of me as a racist but I am not. I have lived with all kinds of people all of my life but I will not allow myself to be a victim of crime in order to be politically correct. I will not say we are all equal and all the same because we are NOT.

If the majority of violence in PH were done by whites, I would be the first to say it and the first to cross the street in an attempt to be safe. This is not a time to be political correct. This is a time to statements of accuracy.

Tell me Anthony; if you had a daughter who was 16 or 17 ad she was walking the streets at night, would you give her any advice to keep her safe? What might that advice be?

I have read your stuff in the past Anthony. You are a straight shooter. Tell me what you would tell your daughter.

I don't have children but I can tell you what I do tell my nieces and nephews that are around that age and those that are older. For all of them, but I especially stress with the girls, is that if are going out at night, make sure that you have cab fare so that you do not walk the streets at night. If you are with a group of people, make sure that you all stick together if you are using mass transit and if for some reason, you are by yourself and have to use mass transit, give me or someone else a call so that you can be met at the train station or the bus stop. Those are the precautions that I was given growing up and I still believe that they are effective. I am not that concerned about them being mugged per se but of being sexually harassed by some guy in the street (the girls I mean). For the guys, I suggest that they be very aware of their surroundings and don't be concerned with any mano y mano bs. Not worth the effort or the energy that you have to expend. If you are in a situation that appears to be spiraling out of control, extract yourself in the best way possible. All of those things though I consider street smarts. That ability for people to be able to look at a situation, size it up and make a decision based on reality and not on fear because the same person or people that you fear may be the same people or person that will help to protect you.

For example, one day (years ago) on the A train, some guy was harassing a young female. Before the train was able to get to the next station, a group of guys had jumped up to protect this young lady to ensure that she was not being hurt since it was evident that she did not know this guy. Once we got out the station on Nostrand, I approached the girl to make sure she was alright, told her to take a cab and go home and gave her the cab fare. That is just one situation but I have seen it time and time again, where people stand up and help those that are being harassed and that is why I don't think viewing someone and what may happen through the lens of race is a good idea.

Personally, I do not know anyone who had a street crime committed against them by a White person in Prospect Heights but I would not think that I would. Maybe some other type of crime but not a street crime. The reason that this may be is because of the difference in the socio-economic conditions of the majority of White people that live in the neighborhood. Not saying that everyone is rich or upper middle class but I do think that the financial situation is different then "some" of the Black people that live in the neighborhood or in my neighborhood (Crown Heights). To be honest, it would not surprise me if the majority of street crime is being committed by people from my neighborhood since the socio-economic conditions are very different. From my understanding the median income in Prospect Heights is around 49,000 while the average is around 66,000. In neighboring Crown Heights the median is 33,000 while the average is around 47,000. Big difference in neighborhoods that border each other and I could see crime overlapping due to this difference.

I did not take your statement as being racist but I was trying to convey that making a judgment of crime based on race is not the best way to protect yourself from crime. I'm basing this on living in New York and the different neighborhoods that I have lived and found that everyone basically deals with the same kind of issues regardless of what race the majority of the neighborhood was. In a Puerto Rican neighborhood most crimes are committed by Puerto Ricans, in a White neighborhood by Whites, Dominican area, Dominicans, Black area, Blacks and so on and so on but I have never felt threatened by crime in any neighborhood that I have lived in and I would not base my opinions on crime based on who is committing it in that area. I try and look at the actions of the people to determine if a real threat exists. Thanks for the response.

Anthony:

My thanks to you, to your style and your candor!

H