Rich kids losing stuff to wealth redistribution. OWS rich kids get jacked. — Brooklynian

Rich kids losing stuff to wealth redistribution. OWS rich kids get jacked.

I has lots of iron for breakfast this morning. anyway if you could afford a mac etc... you're in usually in the high economic bracket or a trend whore :p. Those rich kids in OWS have their stuff stolen by people who probably needed the money more than they do.

It’s a den of thieves!

Occupy Wall Street protesters said yesterday that packs of brazen crooks within their ranks have been robbing their fellow demonstrators blind, making off with pricey cameras, phones and laptops -- and even a hefty bundle of donated cash and food.

“Stealing is our biggest problem at the moment,” said Nan Terrie, 18, a kitchen and legal-team volunteer from Fort Lauderdale.

“I had my Mac stolen -- that was like $5,500. Every night, something else is gone. Last night, our entire [kitchen] budget for the day was stolen, so the first thing I had to do was . . . get the message out to our supporters that we needed food!”

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  • It is difficult to establish and maintain a society based on trust, love and consensus when so many of us have no respect for others.

    It is sad that we need power, structure, laws and punishment.

    ...but we do.

  • When china went communist people thought it was a great idea, everyone is going to get a share of the wealth. my great grand folks lost everything to wealth redistribution. yet the peasants and others were much worse off because the thieves in charge gave it all to themselves. Taiwan is much better off etc.. without communist.

    The children of the communist are in all the ivy league schools in the us and lots of them own expensive houses and condo's they have estimated like over few hundred billion dollars transferred to the us. to their kids and wives etc....

    Hard for a normal person to join the party to be part of the stealing.

    If you look at traditional Chinese stories its always the peasant who becomes hero's and emperors. in western stories it's always been princes etc...

    China has a long history of mobility between the classes. Mobility isn't much there, just some rich folks on top who are connected, small business people can't borrow from banks etc..

    I hope these folks on OWS learn wealth redistribution isn't what is cut out to be.

  • I am pleased that we presently have a city that allows people who are sleeping on the street to be "surprised" that their valuables are stolen.

    I can only imagine how quickly they would have had their stuff taken in the heroin and crack fueled period of NYC (roughly 1960 - 1995).

  • armchair_warrior said:

    When china went communist people thought it was a great idea, everyone is going to get a share of the wealth. my great grand folks lost everything to wealth redistribution. yet the peasants and others were much worse off because the thieves in charge gave it all to themselves. Taiwan is much better off etc.. without communist.

    The children of the communist are in all the ivy league schools in the us and lots of them own expensive houses and condo's they have estimated like over few hundred billion dollars transferred to the us. to their kids and wives etc....

    Hard for a normal person to join the party to be part of the stealing.

    If you look at traditional Chinese stories its always the peasant who becomes hero's and emperors. in western stories it's always been princes etc...

    China has a long history of mobility between the classes. Mobility isn't much there, just some rich folks on top who are connected, small business people can't borrow from banks etc..

    I hope these folks on OWS learn wealth redistribution isn't what is cut out to be.

    Because economically China is very capitalist.

    Modern capitalism is not very much interested in fair wealth distribution.

  • Depending upon how you define capitalism, just about everyone on earth is capitalist.

    We all try to maximize our happiness. Some pursue wealth. Others pursue an afterlife. Some pursue relationships and inner peace.

    Most of us pursue a combination.

  • Boygabriel said:

    Because economically China is very capitalist.

    Modern capitalism is not very much interested in fair wealth distribution.

    it's not the problem of capitalism its the problem of the socialist who control china. who distribute and only allow the higher end to be control by them.

    socialist is only concern with money that isn't theirs. when it comes to their money that's something else.

  • I wonder if the thieves stealing the OWS stuff think they are capitalist, socialist, anarchist or some other ideology?

    I wonder if they think they are practicing their ideology by swiping the stuff.

    After all, every ideology has some provision that legitimates taking what isn't yours.

  • armchair_warrior said:

    anyway if you could afford a mac etc... you're in usually in the high economic bracket or a trend whore :p. Those rich kids in OWS have their stuff stolen by people who probably needed the money more than they do.

    How can you generalize such a thing AW? Just because someone owns something that you think is valuable does not mean they paid full price.

    If that was the case I could generalize you as a trust fund baby too. I also believe that this is NYC home of master thieves and I am sure that there are a few lurking around the park just waiting for their opportunity. The only thing the protesters are guilty of is not using common sense.

    Many of the people there are struggling to make ends meet and for no reason other than companies are not giving raises and expenses are getting higher (i.e., subway, gas, electric, food).

    There is no way I can afford to pay for my son's college education outside of a SUNY or CUNY school (and I have to take out loans for the full 100%). My husband and I make less than 6 figures combined and those tuitions keep going up. Yet if he does not go to college he will fall into the same cycle as my husband and myself.

    I am tired of the government shitting on us. We give property away for an arena with a promise of housing included. Now we have an ugly empty lot where we could have built a new school for the children of our community but instead the City pushes 3 schools into 1.

  • I have concluded that Herman Cain and Stacey are not the same person.

    "Don't blame Wall Street, don't blame the big banks, if you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourself. It is not someone's fault if they succeeded, it is someone's fault if they failed," the ex-Godfather's Pizza CEO declared.

    source: http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-10-05/news/30265175_1_herman-cain-pizza-ceo-protesters

  • when I was poor i didn't have fancy toys like that hell i wore old clothes and hand me downs etc.. be wearing the same clothes all the time, other kids would make fun of me because i wear the same clothes each year, it builds character.

    mac and products like that a for kids with means.

    if you don't have the money could get a cheap net book instead of a ipad or mac book etc... or hell goto the library to use the free computer and internets there.

    why spend a 100% more for a product that does the same function?

    If they are poor they would know to watch their shit cause in the lower economic end, shit gets stolen all the time. property crime and crime in general happens to poor people more often than rich.

    in schools I had to watch my stuff all the time, because other kids would steal what little you have. the same kids who would laugh at the crappy clothes i got.

    Would steal the school supplies my parents spent money on. and claim its theirs etc.. even though their parents would rather spend the money on fancy clothes etc...

    point is if they were from backgrounds of very little means they would be watching their goods. Like i have learn along time ago.

  • I'm pretty sure even the wealthy lose valuables to NYC's professional thieves.

    NEW YORK, NEW YORK – October 4, 2011 – Irving H. Picard, the SIPA Trustee for the liquidation of Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC (“BLMIS”) announced today that the first pro rata interim distribution of $312 million in recovered monies from the BLMIS Customer Fund to BLMIS customers, whose claims have been allowed by the Trustee, will commence on Wednesday, October 5, 2011.

    “This initial distribution is the first return of stolen funds to Madoff’s defrauded customers,” said Mr. Picard.

    source: http://www.madoff.com/

  • i'm talking about everyday goods in property crime and other crimes.

    white collar crimes involving investments generally happen to rich folks :p.

  • Aww thanks whynot -

    I don't blame anyone for being successful. I personally am doing better than my parents at this age. What upsets me is that I pay taxes, I invest in my community, I have worked more than one job and yet I make too much on paper to get financial aid or medicaid and I don't make enough to pay for private health insurance. There has to be something that works for the middle class.

  • I been robbed like dozens of times in my life in nyc. more than the average i would say. That's when I poor. When we moved into a better area. rarely been robbed and but had a bikes stolen a few times.

  • I'm sorry from where I come from middle class is rich.

    rich is relative to me.

  • Weather it is relative or not, when people live in an environment of inflation and fixed wages, they get poorer. This especially true if you are already poor.

    As Stacey alludes, when government has an asset, the public has the right to demand that it be used in a manner that the public feels will provide the most benefit.

    Creating a for-profit parking lot, for a for-profit arena, does not meet this standard.

  • armchair_warrior said:

    I'm sorry from where I come from middle class is rich.

    rich is relative to me.

    I agree about rich being relative.

    AW I know exactly what you mean about being poor. My father was disabled and my mother worked three jobs to raise myself and four brothers and sisters. I never had new clothes, always hand me downs. I grew up as one of the only white people in my neighborhood so I know what its like to get picked on and robbed - I have the scars to prove it. But its time to break those cycles. We are a society that constantly evolves so should our government.

  • they should start in nyc permits for street parking, that would make some money, also turn those super wide streets into angle parking.

    legalize pot and ho's always a good money maker.

    turn prisons into labor camps. they also a good money maker.

  • I do not want the planned site of Atlantic Yards to become a pot farm.

    Or, a ho farm.

    Or, a labor camp.

    ...keep trying.

  • stacey said:

    I agree about rich being relative.

    AW I know exactly what you mean about being poor. My father was disabled and my mother worked three jobs to raise myself and four brothers and sisters. I never had new clothes, always hand me downs. I grew up as one of the only white people in my neighborhood so I know what its like to get picked on and robbed - I have the scars to prove it. But its time to break those cycles. We are a society that constantly evolves so should our government.

    it builds character and makes you work harder than the next guy and want to do better for future generations and know what you have.

    but don't forget those lessons and go oh "i shouldn't put my kids through this." they should know how hard it is in life. make them work for it, would make them work harder for those goals. if everything is given this won't teach them the true value of a dollar.

    motivation is lacking in alot of middle class kids. Alot of my friends won't take less paying jobs because oh it's not what they train for or much less than their fancy degrees are worth.

    mobility is still part of the system, things still can be changed.

    but lately seems the rich and the politically entrench classes is only benefiting themselves.

    voters should vote out all the current politicians, the political power that is in nyc is democrats and don't bother with republicans either just vote in anyone that isn't part of the power structure.

  • there is nothing wrong with legalizing drugs or whoring.

  • armchair_warrior said:

    there is nothing wrong with legalizing drugs or whoring.

    I think that Atlantic Yards could be put to greater use.

  • armchair_warrior said:

    they should start in nyc permits for street parking, that would make some money, also turn those super wide streets into angle parking.

    legalize pot and ho's always a good money maker.

    turn prisons into labor camps. they also a good money maker.

    I agree with you on pot and somewhat on street parking.

    I don't agree with prison as labor camps but I do think that by utilizing the talents of our students in local colleges we can stop paying all these outside contractors that we pay top dollar to to tell us we need a street light on this corner, etc. All we would have to pay these students is an extra college credit. Then some of these kids could come out of school with a little experience in their respective field.

    I also think that ANYONE who receives a check (pay, welfare, SSI, etc.) in NYC should pay a $1.50 per pay tax that goes directly to NYC schools and colleges. Many of us waste more than that on a damn ATM fee. No one complains about little $1.20 a pay check SUI tax.

    And about those ATM's: I also believe that these bodega ATM's should pay a percentage (into the community i.e., local school, hospital, community activists) of their damn $1.50 and up fees.

  • I'm talking about whoring and legalizing drugs and street permit parking and prison labor in general not specifically for AY.

  • To get back to the issue of the OWS folks getting robbed, part of the problem is the perception of the "type" of people that would rob them. If those kids were occupying Franklin Avenue, they would be a lot more conscious of their belonging and surroundings and would be far more vigilant. But being on Wall Street surrounded by their partners in the struggle makes it easy to be all rainbows and unicorns instead of gritty, hardscrable life. And that is how $5500 Macs grow legs and walk away.

  • armchair_warrior said:

    it builds character and makes you work harder than the next guy and want to do better for future generations and know what you have.

    but don't forget those lessons and go oh "i shouldn't put my kids through this." they should know how hard it is in life. make them work for it, would make them work harder for those goals. if everything is given this won't teach them the true value of a dollar.

    See I think you are wrong. Maybe for you it build character but many people I know who went through the same thing as we did are scarred for life for some of the things they had to endure. There is a difference between teaching my son the value of a dollar and learning how to work hard for something and putting them in harm's way. Ask your parents why they went through what they did and I guarantee you they say "we did it to make a better life for you and your children". So what type of legacy are you giving them by continuing the cycle?

  • homeowner said:

    To get back to the issue of the OWS folks getting robbed, part of the problem is the perception of the "type" of people that would rob them. If those kids were occupying Franklin Avenue, they would be a lot more conscious of their belonging and surroundings and would be far more vigilant. But being on Wall Street surrounded by their partners in the struggle makes it easy to be all rainbows and unicorns instead of gritty, hardscrabble life. And that is how $5500 Macs grow legs and walk away.

    Some of them seem to have been "surrounded by their partners in the struggle" for so long that they think consensus is a valid form a government.

    ...and there is no need for the police, or laws.

  • I didn't say put them in harms way, I think kids shouldn't be given everything. they shouldn't get all the new fancy clothes or toys etc... if they want something they should work for it.

    They want that college education, they should work for it or help around the house when they are not in school instead of going to hangout with friends etc...

  • homeowner said:

    To get back to the issue of the OWS folks getting robbed, part of the problem is the perception of the "type" of people that would rob them. If those kids were occupying Franklin Avenue, they would be a lot more conscious of their belonging and surroundings and would be far more vigilant. But being on Wall Street surrounded by their partners in the struggle makes it easy to be all rainbows and unicorns instead of gritty, hardscrable life. And that is how $5500 Macs grow legs and walk away.

    if they were street smart and grew up poor they would of watch their stuff and watch everyone carefully and see who the thieves are.

  • stacey said:

    See I think you are wrong. Maybe for you it build character but many people I know who went through the same thing as we did are scarred for life for some of the things they had to endure. There is a difference between teaching my son the value of a dollar and learning how to work hard for something and putting them in harm's way. Ask your parents why they went through what they did and I guarantee you they say "we did it to make a better life for you and your children". So what type of legacy are you giving them by continuing the cycle?

    While some experiences do not put kids in "harms way", they are equally pointless. For example, I do not think a upper-middle class, college bound, 17 year old learns anything from working at McDonalds. Nor, does the individual need the money.

    ...but it is likely that some 20 something, under-educated mother of two could certain use that job.

    Take home message: If you are parent and have the means, find a balance between creating a entitled spoiled kid, and making them experience the cruel world.

  • This reminds me my friend. We both grew up poor. lesson he learn was He gives everything his kid wants. he lets kid choose restaurants to eat at and would fling food and wouldn't bother eating what he ordered. he also buys him all the toys the kid wants. Simply because he didn't have those things when he was a kid.

    reason I stop eating out with him is I can't stand his spoil son. I hope his new daughter would be less spoiled. Which reminds me I should go get her something and soon. she was like born a week ago. I should get off my fat ass and visit the kid.

  • armchair_warrior said:

    if they were street smart and grew up poor they would of watch their stuff and watch everyone carefully and see who the thieves are.

    Regardless of whether they are street smart or poor, they have one bizarre thing in common: They think sleeping outside is a good way to change the world.

  • I disagree if they work in a restaurant and know how hard it is for a working class people, they'll look at people differently and value of the dollar. and know freaking work ethnic. not some self entitled prick.

  • armchair_warrior said:

    I disagree if they work in a restaurant and know how hard it is for a working class people, they'll look at people differently.

    I think respect for others is best taught by the parents, starting at a very early age. Restaurant jobs aren't going to be enough.

  • off course respect should be taught by the parents without saying, but working for something teaches alot of things not just respect.

  • Also damn Stacey :p that's alot of damn kids for American's your parent's had.

  • armchair_warrior said:

    Also damn Stacey :p that's alot of damn kids for American's your parent's had.

    LOL my mother always said she couldn't afford a TV or heat in the winter (we were all born in the summer months ;) ).

  • oh boy LOL. anyone is a black out baby or something too?

  • Besides a lack of infrastructure, leadership, ideology and achievable goals (discussed at length in a different thread) I think one of the biggest liabilities OWS has is that it will be dismissed by most of America if it does not find a way to involve more poor, minority people.

    Whether it is deserved or not, the current image of OWS one of young white people who are disappointed that things are not working out better for them, and that they do not have a larger voice in society.

    When OWS pays attention to minority mothers of two who live in the South Bronx who have never earned more than $10 an hour in their lives, I'll give them credit for paying attention to the countries most pressing problems.

    ...until then, such credit goes to Mr. West and his Poverty Tour. They are successfully merging idealism with actionable goals and policies.

  • whynot_31 said:

    While some experiences do not put kids in "harms way", they are equally pointless. For example, I do not think a upper-middle class, college bound, 17 year old learns anything from working at McDonalds. Nor, does the individual need the money.

    But an upper-class 17 yr old would learn the value of hard work and a dollar if his/her parents said "Now that you have a job, I'm not going to give you any additional spending money. You'll have to learn to budget for what you want versus what you earn." But the reality is that few wealthy parents think that way, so minimum wage jobs become superfluous.

    And its not impossible for wealthy parents to teach their kids this lesson. I happen to know a family where both parents were wall street bankers. When the two kids reached junior high school age, the parents told them that they would get a sizeable allowance each week ($100). However, the parents were no longer going to take on any responsibility for any of the kids personal purchases including clothing or shoes. If the kids wanted anything, they had to purchase it themselves. The mother told me it forced the kids to think long and hard about trade-offs (IPod vs. designer handbag vs. sweater) and that the parents very rarely had to kick in for extras except in extreme circumstances. Unfortunately, parents like that are the exception and not the rule.

  • I've always liked the analogy that compares money to alcohol.

    Basically, it argues that kids who did not learn to drink responsibly with their parents and extended family end up pukeing thru their freshman year of college.

    Likewise, those that have never had money before, borrow lots of money on credit cards and in student aid despite being liberal arts majors.

    Some borrow and puke their entire lives, and try to blame it on their permissive upbringing. Sometimes it is fun to view them as mere 20 somethings ....Union Square is sometimes a good place to spot them.

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