PH or CH, what are the real dividing streets?

pnlop

It seems to me that alot of people living in CH think they are living in PH. I thought from doing a little research at the Library a few years ago, that the limit of PH was Washington, so how come people living at Classon or Franklin think they are in PH? Are real estate brokers really winning this? And by the way I have nothing against CH, it's just that it seems that newbies are being duped.

carnivore

Subject: Re: PH or CH, what are the real dividing streets?

This.

pnlop wrote: ...it's just that it seems that newbies are being duped.

king without a crown

Please lock this thread so we don't have to go through this for the 100th time on here!!!!!

pnlop

King without a crown wrote: Please lock this thread so we don't have to go through this for the 100th time on here!!!!!

Since people are still posting, obviously they haven't gotten it yet.

mr. met

i live on bedford and bergen and the broker i worked with told me it was prospect heights

carnivore

mr. met wrote: i live on bedford and bergen and the broker i worked with told me it was prospect heights

The broker lied to you.

dakotas way

Subject: prospect heights

Baaaad, baaaad broker, Carnivore. You're absolutely right they are.

raisedeyebrow

Washington is what i think

look at wikipedia!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prospect_Heights,_Brooklyn

carnivore

raisedeyebrow wrote: Washington is what i think

look at wikipedia!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prospect_Heights,_Brooklyn

I wouldn't use that as a definitive source. Brokers periodically change that entry to make all kinds of outlandish claims about the boundary, and I've changed it back a few times myself. What it says will depend on when you check it. Thankfully, bolstered by evidence from the Encyclopedia of the City of New York, attempts to change Washington as the main boundary have died down, and now they mostly try to hint that the boundary will be moving in the future.

neene

The neighborhood name Crown Heights has been subject to many interpretations regarding location and boundaries. Based on a survey conducted by the Landmarks Preservation Commission in 1978, the team delineated Crown Heights as being the section bound on the north by Atlantic Avenue, on the south by Empire Boulevard, on the southeast by East New York Avenue and on the west by Washington Avenue

from http://www.crownheightsnorth.com/About_Us_1.html

prospectus

Subject: The Encyclopedia

Thankfully, bolstered by evidence from the Encyclopedia of the City of New York…

That sounds fascinating—for all of us who don't have a copy, what does the Encyclopedia say?

carnivore

Subject: Re: The Encyclopedia

prospectus wrote: That sounds fascinating—for all of us who don't have a copy, what does the Encyclopedia say?

Prospect Heights. Neighborhood in Northwestern Brooklyn, lying along the northern edge of Prospect Park and bounded to the north by Atlantic Avenue, to the east by Washington Avenue, to the south by Eastern Parkway (which begins in the neighborhood at Grand Army Plaza), and to the west by Flatbush Avenue. It was developed after Prospect Park was completed in the 1870s. The population consisted mostly of middle-class Italians, Irish and Jews until after the Second World War, when it became predominantly black. Eventually many buildings were abandoned and the neighborhood declined, and during the 1960s Washington Avenue was the site of severe race riots and arson that destroyed many buildings. In the mid 1980s the city sold off clusters of abandoned buildings to encourage the development of middle-income housing. A wave of speculation resulted, and during teh next eight years almost a third of the neighborhood's housing was renovated, becoming unaffordable for most residents, many of whom were forced from their homes by rising prices. The middle class grew, attracted by relatively inexpensive condominiums and cooperatives, and by the proximity of the neighborhood to Park Slope, Prospect Park and Manhattan. Most of the immigrants who settled in Prospect Heights during the 1980s were from the Carribean, especially from Jamaica, Haiti, Guyana and to a lesser extent from Trinidad and Tobago, the Dominican Republic, Barbados, and Panama. The population in the mid 1990s included working-class and middle-class homeowners and low-income renters and was largely black, with some whites, West Indians, and Latin Americans. Along Eastern Parkway stand the Brooklyn Museum, the Brooklyn Botanic Garden, and teh Brooklyn Public Library; the streets are lined with brownstones and townhouses built at the turn of the century, along with small apartment buildings.

mr. met

yea, i know the broker lied, i was just sayin...

mr. met

are those typos in the encyclopedia? if so, tsk tsk.

rtraindweller

lots of "teh" goin on in that. lying about neighborhood borders is just how brokers work. look how much larger Williamsburg has gotten. And Park Slope apparently goes down into the 30's now as well. According to some brokers Fort Greene has entirely swallowed Clinton Hill and parts of Bed Stuy. It makes me wonder if they have seminars or creepy meetings where they all get together to remap Brooklyn's neighborhoods.

jasonliu

while i'm always up for some broker-bashing, i just want to point out that some of ny's neighborhoods come into existence BECAUSE of real estate people (ex the east village in the old days, nolita more recently). i suspect prospect heights was born from similar origins. propsect heights proper (atlantic, flatbush, eastern pkwy, and washington) is tiny, it just looks like it was carved from a larger neighborhood, ie crown heights.

carnivore

Those were my typos from when I copied it from the encyclopedia (like two years ago, which I just cut and pasted here).