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What would it take to have a board dedicated to East New York ?


  • Usually we add a new board when we see a measurable percentage of members posting about that area or from that area. Traffic wise it needs to make sense.
  • I understand, thank you.

  • I have tried to get ideas exchanged here about East New York but none have panned out.  The only talk we've had of my old neighborhood is with regard to crime and police shakedowns of innocents.  Luckily for me I'm old enough to remember when it was a vibrant area.  So sad to see it fall apart.  Hopefully it will rise up like the Phoenix but I sure won't be around to see it.
  • They might create their own board.

    ....that's allowed.
  • Thanks for all the links. East New York needs gentrification !
  • I don't know that gentrification is the exclusive solution though some change is definitely better than what it has at present.

    Will we ever again see the days when ENY was the cricket capitol of the USA? Will it ever have a new Eastern Park which was the Mecca of American sports in the 1890s?   Not  likely.  But some change - any change for the better - sure would be appreciated. 
  • I don't think will see a resurgence in Cricket in ENY during this Mayor's administration, but we are certanly going to see a lot of new housing replace the unregulated 3/4 Houses.

    If all goes as per plan, the new folks are going to be much different than the old.

    What is a 3/4 house?

    How big are the changes planned? http://therealdeal.com/blog/2014/06/15/big-changes-coming-to-east-new-york/

  • you are correct, any change is welcome. Thanks whynot_31, I never knew that.

  • http://gothamist.com/2014/07/30/see_east_new_york_apartments_gentri.php

    "Check out the NEW FRONTIER!" this East New York rental listing screams. "Come claim your LOT." Sure, it may be lonely for settlers braving this empty new frontier, but the Gentrification Homestead Act of 2014 promises every plucky pioneer a fresh new start.
  • edited July 2014
    It is kind of weird to walk around NYU and Columbia in Manhattan.

    There used to be college bars and whatnot in the surrounding areas, but now much of the run down "student housing" has been upgraded and is therefore out of students' reach.

    Now, you see throngs of young undergrad and graduate students gathering in places like Bushwick, and -soon- ENY.

    Should I take a "before photo" of Broadway Junction now?
  • $1500 per month as rent in the worst ghetto in Brooklyn history?



    As for fotos of Broadway Junction, yes please put some on the board.  Hopefully it will change for the better though it likely will not match the days when it as the Mecca of sports:

  • Prodigalson, do you remember the stores along Belmont Avenue selling dry goods, eggs, and pickles? (maybe not all in the same store)
  • Fortunoff's started on Livonia. They had six or seven store fronts before they went upscale and built their own store in Westbury. Belmont was great to go to up to around the mid 60s. I remember going there with my parents.
  • Prodigalson, do you remember the stores along Belmont Avenue selling dry goods, eggs, and pickles? (maybe not all in the same store)

    Do I ever!!!!!!

    I remember some old timer selling knishes,  a Puerto Rican from my hometown of Mayaguez selling piraguas,  the many fruit & veggies stands, the knitting shops, the candy stores, etc. In fact, I have often dreamed of these things.  Ad how about those shops where you could buy live fish?  I cannot forget the fresh of all that good, fresh stuff.

    As for pickles, I still love my kosher pickles and buy Mt Olive brand which is sold here in St Paul. My favorite shop back then  was Sussman's on Blake near Sheffield Avenue where I grew up.  

    Ah, the memories!
  • Fortunoff's started on Livonia.

    My dad operated the parking lot on Sheffield & Livonia Avenue.  My first job in life was helping him out when I wasn't in school -  PS 174. 

    Max Fortunoff gave jobs to lots of neighborhood folks.  Losing the stores cost ENY a lot of vitality and led to its downfall.
  • @prodigalson -

    You are not the only one looking at Broadway Junction:

    Sounds like they are proposing to dismantle the subway depot.  I'd hate to see it go.  But if they are going to create new housing, I hope it may include a new ballpark of some kind. That would GREATLY revitalize the area. 

  • edited September 2014
    I doubt the subway and bus depot are going anywhere. DeBlasio and the real estate industry don't control them.

    Instead, imagine lots of moderately sized and priced apartments, equipped with triple pane glass to keep out the noise.
  • The subway and bus depot should definitely stay. There are a number of shelters over there and crime, how would that affect the new housing ????
  • - moderately priced -

    That's the key.  Hopefully, if ENY/Brownsville/New Lots are to be "gentrified", let's hope it will be done with moderately priced housing.  And let's hope all the parks will be cleaned up so that they can be made for safe, enjoyable family fun.
    moderately sized
    moderately sized
  • The thing about affordable housing is that everyone wants it to be for them.

    However, those who actually FUND and BUILD affordable housing have different incentives.

    The city FUNDS affordable housing: It primarily wants to reduce the cost of shelters and jails, and to comply with court mandates.

    The developers BUILD affordable housing: They primarily want to make money, and don't care who lives in it after it is constructed.

    .....while there a lot of people who want moderately priced and sized housing, they usually aren't more powerful than the above incentives.
  • edited September 2014
    Affordable housing plans hit snag over East New York prices

    Even I saw this coming...
  • You mean the government is not exempt from market forces either?

    (fake gasp)
  • What would it take to have a board dedicated to East New York ?
    Gothamist is on it!

    If having a hipster news blog cover you isn't enough, then what is? :) 

  • At the bottom of the housing market, single people on public assistance receive $215 a month for housing.

    The amount is often paid directly to a landlord, who puts you in a bunk bed filled house in ENY.

    If gov was to announce this rate was being increased, the landlords merely increase the amount they charge.

    I can't fault landlords for trying to maximize their return on their property.

    ...at an individual or macro level.
  • I'm sure the good people of East New York were just fine with not having any hipster news coverage. 
  • Me too.

    But sadly, media is something none of us get to choose.
  • In response to soaring prices for land and construction, gov doesn't have the money it needs to meet its goals.

    It is now looking for ways to make construction of affordable housing be cheaper, and thus more attractive to developers. Allow them to self certify.

  • Self certify... This can get messy.  
  • edited October 2014
    Yup. ...my hope is that they get only experienced architects to develop the affordable housing.

    Otherwise, they will be able to build the housing but not occupy them because DOB won't issue a cert of occupancy when it is "ready".
  • Does anyone remember the old boxing club on Georgia Ave & Livonia?  Anybody have pics of the old place?  How about action photos of sports played at Jefferson Sand Field?

  • edited October 2014
    Open Lottery:
  • Here comes the plan by the city to improve (or, depending on who you ask, "eliminate") East New York:

  • The government issues taxpayer financed agricultural subsidies which enhance incomes and assist farmers in  managing the cost/supply of commodities.   Depending on which website you wish to believe, handouts of this kind are anywhere from $10-30 billion per year. This process has taken place for decades. Perhaps the government can  do the same for those who wish to invest in building up their own houses in the urban areas.  This enables people to invest more of their resources and of themselves in their neighborhoods.  I suggest this would improve an area better than by just increasing public housing. 

    Such a program could well lead to more gentrification.  But it would not necessarily displace people who already live in places like ENY and who wish to invest in private housing.
  • In the future, we may need such programs in order to allow persons who work for the city in very moderate paying positions (DSNY, DOE, HRA, etc) to afford to live here.

    ...but at present, we have hundreds of applicants for such positions.

    They seem to being commuting long distances and/or crowding into apartments.
  • When I first moved to brooklyn a decade ago to start teaching I was making like 38k. I would have loved an apartment building for other teachers/city workers who make enough to survive but not a lot. other cities have such programs to get people with such jobs to live in less-desirable areas.
  • Very little of Brooklyn qualifies as less-desirable today. I think you need to go to the South Bronx for that.

    Which seems like it'd be pretty decent! With the big beautiful buildings on the Grand Concourse, and good train service to Manhattan, and some solid Mexican food around. The schools probably aren't great, but the area doesn't seem that dangerous— the 6 train wasn't running when I was coming home late from a party at a friend's art studio, so I needed to walk over to the 3 train or something with a couple other friends, and it seemed perfectly fine. Not 'wear earbuds and stare at your brand new iPhone' fine, but there seemed to be enough legitimate business & pedestrian traffic along with police patrol that things felt OK.

    I'd guess today's South Bronx is far safer than 1995 (or maybe even 2000) Brooklyn.
  • When I first moved to brooklyn a decade ago to start teaching I was making like 38k. I would have loved an apartment building for other teachers/city workers who make enough to survive but not a lot. other cities have such programs to get people with such jobs to live in less-desirable areas.
    Teachers are unique in that they are younger and more educated than the other groups of city workers I mention.

    As a result, I expect them to move far more often than the residents of developments that were built in the past for that mix.

    ...Ebbbetts Field, Stuyvesant Town, and the Mitchell Lamas come to mind.

  • Returning to East NY, this old bank building is about to be torndown and become a 7 story medical building.


    For those familiar with the area, it is across the street from what may be the most depressing post office in NYC:

  • It is also hard to hate change when it comes in the form of yummy chicken wings.

  • I'm not sure I agree with you about that post office. When I worked in the district office for the schools in that area, I often mailed letters from that office on my way work, generally about 8AM. The service was quick and polite. Mid-morninng was fine also. It was only in the late afternoon that the post officer there was crowded as hell. Was the service as good as the PO on 34th and Park? No, but it was often better than my regular PO on St Johns and Troy.
  • The building on Penn has been vacant since the M & T bank built a new branch at the corner of Atlantic and New Jersey though the owners were trying to rent it for over a year. As for the picture of the post office....that must have been taken a few years back because now ribbon barbed wire runs around the whole roof. I pass by it every morning on my way in.
  • I never thought I would see a mainstream realtor advertise a property on Cleveland Street

  • $675K is not bad considering you get the building and the extra lot. Figure the owner will take 650. So if the building needs about 300K worth of work and you can get two more apartments in the first floor you have nine units for less than $1 mil. Problem is with all the stairs on the side the building looks like a jail. If the parking lot can be rented there might be some money to be made here.
  • I think you are better off tearing it all down and rebuilding from scratch after the upzone.
  • edited May 2015
    These income limits are pretty low.

    "Thousands will enter, 223 will win"

  • In response to low income people being displaced by folks who have more, gov has announced they want no one's rights to be violated. They want this to be a smooth, market transition that plays by the rules


  • Can you believe I grew up in the original 494 Sheffield Avenue building!

    These income limits are pretty low.

    "Thousands will enter, 223 will win"


  • Next up, basic things that should have been in place for decades, but now warrant attention: http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/brooklyn-pol-transfer-east-new-york-subway-stations-article-1.2283534
  • I posted that on the Utica Ave Subway thread.  So... do you think this will happen?  If yes, when?
  • The MTA's capital plan is very underfunded, but this project could still happen if developers think the area needs more amenities in order to fill their units.

    NYC is going to have to do a lot if it wants ENY to become the place where hundreds of thousands of economically viable affordable housing units grow.

    ....it can be done, but isn't going to cheap.
  • For some reason, I get the feeling it can be a relatively cheap fix; that is, if they wanted it to be.
  • Public transportation is just part of the improvements that are needed.

    I hope google street view is driving the area regularly, because even if DeBlasio fails at creating genuinely "affordable" housing ENY is going be far more residential in 10 years than it is now.
  • BTW, this guy grew up in a housing project in ENY and now has a net worth that exceeds $1 Billion. http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20150717/FINANCE/150719890
  • To spoil all the good news....listening to the scanner in my office.....level 1 mobilization, confirmed male shot at 1250 Sutter Ave.
  • Shootings on Blake, Sutter, Pennsylvania and Livonia Aves remain pretty common.
  • When I did proposal writing for my school district in ENY, the "statement of need" section was always the easiest part for me. the 75th precinct had the highest murder rate of any precinct in the city. The #3 train stop at Penn & Livonia was where I usually got on and off. As time went on, I became more and more comfortable there, even when I had to leave work well after 6PM. I have to admit that leaving there one time at 11PM on a holiday weekend was not the most comfortable feeling. I think, though, that crime stats there, while still high, are down compared with my time there.
  • One thing, though. I don't know how one makes that transition between the IRT and the L train at Junius street any less hairy. The free transfer should be an easy and immediate fix, but the block between the two lines is pretty desolate: not nice during the day, but I'm sure much worse late at night.
  • Ms Whynot discovered a statistic recently that stated the safest pct in the 1980s was the Upper Eastside, and that -in 2015- the most dangerous pct (the 75th) has less crime than it.

    It might take readers a moment to wrap their heads around that statement.
  • While ENY is waiting for the promised gentrification, the best move for landlords is to rent to people who don't gain tenancy rights.

    Wondering who they are?     Wonder no more:    

  • edited August 2015
    Pre-gentrification crime:

    “This is a prime example of why I don’t let them stay out,” she said.
    “We talk about the violence all the time. It’s not safe. It’s an
    everyday occurrence in East New York.”


    Will it continue after the rezonings and massive influx of new residents?
  • Because I don't see the influx of newer residents changing the makeup of the multiple (often troubled) housing projects in the area (and I don't see the same level of gentrification in the area that we've seen elsewhere as a result), I don't see a real reduction in this kind of senseless violence. But, I'd love to be wrong. 
  • Many of the housing projects (and the immediate areas around them) are large enough that they are neighborhoods unto themselves.    The contact residents have with the outside world is disproportionately NYPD and EMS.

  • Hopefully, the people will cooperate with the police because if no one comes forward nothing will be resolved.
  • The costs of housing in NYC are now so expensive, that tenants who previously could afford to move out of NYCHA are staying put.


    It isn't clear to me whether this will result in more cooperation with the police, or what impact (if any) it will have on the areas that are adjacent to the developments.

    I suspect we will know in -say- five years.
  • Not only the cost of housing but utilities are included in the rent so for that reason alone people wouldn't leave besides they can't throw you out and can't raise your rent to more than 30% of income.
  • The costs of housing in NYC are now so expensive, that tenants who previously could afford to move out of NYCHA are staying put.  

    I've seen that happen here in the Twin Cities as well which  has single family public housing as well as multiple apartment unit public housing.  Housing shortage problems exists here just as it does in NYC:

  • Are there places to eat in those parts of the Twin Cities?

    The choices in ENY are limited.

  • Am I the only one that thinks the diner in that video looks amazing? I'm going this weekend!
  • Great video.

    Walked those same streets many times in the past but not since 1976 and do not remember Paphos.  There used to be a decent German restaurant just at the border of ENY & Cypress Hills but it's probably not there anymore. 

    As for restaurants in St Paul there are some decent places on Grand Avenue in the Bohemian section of this town:

    There might be a handful in downtown as well.   Minneapolis has more choices but I never go to any of these places as cooking is my hobby - and boy do I ever love to eat!

    By the way,  I have had a lot of trouble loggin on.  Let's hope this posts ....
  • Does anyone have current and/or historical photos of Highland Park?

    When I was a little kid the reservoir was still in use but closed, I believe, around 1960. It was a very pleasant place to be for family fun but it descended badly into a haven for druggies and other assorted no goods.  There was talk that it would be cleaned up and made once again into a nice place to be.

    What's the news on HP nowadays ?
  • I pass by the Arlington Village area that's cited in the article on the way home and it's really not that bad of a place and the thing is, it could probably be turned into quite a bit of affordable housing without destroying it. I don't know what the inside of the apartments look like but for the most part the outside doesn't seem too bad. Matter of fact, they look better than the same kind of housing that was built on St. Johns and Howard. Could use updating but instead of trying to get the landlord to sell, the city should be asking the landlord to rent the apartments to families that are living in shelters. Years ago, it was said that high rise apartments breed crime in some of the poorer areas and in fact three huge buildings on Prospect and St. Marks around Howard were knocked down so that low rise housing could be put up. The buildings at Arlington Village are only two floors.
  • I think that any area (be it high rise or low rise) composed exclusively of very low income people it at risk of being crime ridden.

    Mixed income seems to be the way to go.

    ...outside of NYC (Dayton, Philadelphia, Cleveland, Atlanta etc) there are lots of housing authority complexes that are two story "garden apartment style" that have lots of crime...
  • As covered by multiple news outlets, the rezoning plan for ENY has passed the city planning commission, and now will be voted on by the City Council


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