MTOPP v CB9 - Spring, 2015

whynot_31

She has a lot of beliefs re: rights that appear to be "aspirational" in nature.

For example, an attorney that practices criminal law informed me:

"Your Miranda rights are meant to let you know about your right to remain silent. The police only have to read you your rights if you are in custody, and being questioned by them. If the police fail to read you your rights, the only possible consequence is that if you made a confession or admission, your lawyer can move to suppress the statement. If you didn't make a statement, then "no harm no foul"."

This matches my previous understanding that Miranda affects confessions, but if the NYPD has enough evidence to charge you, they often don't bother to question you OR read you your rights.

...because they believe they can ALREADY make their case without a confession or incriminating statements.

whynot_31

Minutes of the meeting are now available thanks to: http://theqatparkside.blogspot.com/2015/05/ulurp-committee-meeting-minutes.html

whynot_31

@pheightsresident

Q at Parkside states:

"UPDATE: Yes, a quorum was reached. Since Mike Cetera was not reappointed, and four other ULURP members resigned (Diana Richardson, Dwayne Nicholson and Rosemarie Perry, Laura Imperiale) that leaves just 19 members. 12 were present."

http://theqatparkside.blogspot.com/2015/05/ulurp-committee-meeting-minutes.html?showComment=1432244087336

So, it is looking like the request has made it out of the ULURP Committee, and CB9 (or rather, what remains of CB9) can legally vote on sending the request on Tuesday, May 26th.

pheightsresident

Thanks @whynot_31 and Q at Parkside!

I wonder how yesterday's precinct council meeting went. My guess is that they were much better behaved there.

whynot_31

I hear it went without incident. See your PM for details.

whynot_31

Those attending tonight's CB9 meeting may want to wear a protective suit.

I am considering the following:


It seems like it may adequately constructed:
https://www.med-eng.com/products/personalprotectiveequipment/medengeodiedd/eod9suithelmet.aspx

pheightsresident

Getting mentally prepped and clearing enough space on my recorder now! 

lilern

I picked these up from my pharmacist during lunch to help me through it - I do have extras for others in need.... 

whynot_31

Maybe bake the Xanax into muffins that you give to MTOPP members?

Pro-tip: They won't trust you if you are not wearing a green MTOPP shirt.

(Note, doing so would violate several laws. Readers are responsible for their actions, not me.)

whynot_31

Coverage of the May 26 meeting starts here

6:50. The meeting is to happen in the basement cafeteria. Prior meetings have occurred in the first floor auditorium.

We are seated at round tables, that hold about 8 a piece.

whynot_31

7:45, the mtg has yet to begin. About 200 people here.

whynot_31

newguy88

I don't see any green shirts.

whynot_31

Green shirts have fallen out of fashion. One rarely sees more than 10 of them in a group.

There are about 5 here tonight.

Meanwhile, there are about 10 police inside and another 10 loitering at the entrance.

About:
5 reporters.
5 politicians.
10 urban planner/graduate student types.
15 random activist types
30 curious onlookers

75 people over 50 who likely rent and are scared of being priced out due to luxury contagion. 30 community board members.

whynot_31

8:00 the mtg begins, Demetrius Lawrence apologizes for the delay, and warns attendees the police will escort out unruly and disruptive people.

whynot_31

8 - 8:20 the prior chair is recognized by several politicians for his service as Army Chaplin. He retired as a Col.

8:20 a business seeking a sidewalk cafe answers questions from the audience. Some members of the audience strive to show the board is incompetent and did not do basic research re: the request, but the board shows they did.

Alicia believes any such request must come a committee. MTOPP members attempt to assault the application on various basis.

The board moves on to the next topic. No vote?

whynot_31

8:20 - 8:40
Crown Heights Tenants Union presents re: the present struggle to renew rent stabilization rules, and strengthen them.

Alicia wants the politicians present to address the concern raised by the CHTU. They decline.

....she throws hissy fit.

whynot_31

Her supporters begin to chant "we have the right to speak". 10 - 20 keep chanting, the speaker keeps speaking.

whynot_31

The majority of the crowd stretches, talks to each other, takes photos.

...waits to see what (if anything) the NYPD will do.

I spend quality time with Isaac, the 11 year old son of Diana Richardson.

MOD

Wait a minute!!

But we're missing some crucial information here. What's the cafeteria serving? Is it Salisbury steak night?

whynot_31

whynot_31

@mod
The cafeteria is closed

whynot_31

In response to the NYPD telling the crowd to quiet down and take their turns speaking, the crowd chanting grows from 20 to 80.

The chant became "hands up, don't shoot"



This is the most unified the crowd has been all night.

People are now taking turns speaking at the mic, stating how the process leading to now has been sloppy, illegal, yada yada yada.

whynot_31

Role is called. Seemingly every local politician has a representative present, or is present.


CB9's Quorum is clearly met.

whynot_31

The motion to send the request to DCP passes. (I believe the vote was 26 yes, 6 no)

They are now voting on the cafe having outdoor seating. It will pass as well.

mcpoet

Where would said cafe be located?

whynot_31

It already exists somewhere in CB9.   They want to expand their space.     [Update:  Erv's on Beekman]

It was quite amusing to see the various factions exaggerate the impact of the study.    Now everyone has someone to blame:

-Those in support of the study/rezoning are blaming MTOPP for the development that is presently occurring, because they believe that if the prior request had been able to stand, the city would have put a stop to "out of context" development that occurred over the last 14 months.     [I disagree, because I do not perceive the city as powerful enough to pass a zoning which would significantly reduce property rights to the degree they want]

-Those opposed to the study will blame for all of the development that comes after today (including permits already in the works) on those who voted for the the study    They perceive the system as a sham democracy.     Because they don't have much power or numbers, they want a system that is not merely democratic, but is actually based on consensus.  

I wonder how long it will take DCP to do/finish its study and issue its results.


     

pheightsresident

Thanks for the rundown. I was also in attendance (videos coming as soon as they upload to Youtube!) and was upset at the hour delay to the start of the meeting (they clearly had quorum well before then). 

As @whynot_31 (I'd have introduced myself but am not sure what you look like!) writes, AB was AB. When the NYPD moved in to arrest her, her supporters got in the way, she ran to her seat and they all started shouting "hands up, don't shoot." Given the atmosphere in the room and nationally, I wasn't surprised that they backed off.

I took a break to go to Popeyes and rode my bike back over to record the vote.

MOD

Cafeteria is closed

That's your problem right there. Seems to me there's a lot of hangry people at these CB9 meetings.

pheightsresident

"Hands up, don't shoot"