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Sette on 7th - ick. — Brooklynian

Sette on 7th - ick.

anonymous
edited November -1 in Park Slope
I've been intrigued by the dueling new restaurants on 7th and 3rd: Sette and Miracle Grill. Sette has a nice ambience and a great outdoor-seating area on the street, which makes a nice change from the usual back-garden dining in the Slope. We got the perfect outdoor table on the perfect balmy summer evening and then were promptly disappointed by truly mediocre food. I had an asparagus appetizer that came with a tepid, watery cheese slurry. It congealed somewhat into a more edible consistency, but it was pretty icky. My fish was, like the appetizer, utterly fogettable. My 3 dining partners all felt the same way about their respective meals. Final take: nice to look at through the windows, but stay away.
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  • I had brunch at Miracle Grill a few weeks ago - it was terrible. I had Huevos Rancheros, which was a poached egg on a tortilla, with a small bit of salsa. No beans, no cheese, no sour cream. It sucked. My girlfriend had a version of Eggs Benedict with Chipolte Hollandaise. The teaspoon of hollandaise sauce that it came with was some wierd, frothy watery red-tinted liquid, which tasted like nothing. The food there was really bad, and we wont be going back.
  • Our friends had a similar brunch experience at Miracle Grill... flavorless, lukewarm brunch. It's a shame that some of 5th Ave's charm hasn't rubbed off on 7th Ave. I struggle to think of a memorable restaurant anywhere on 7th. Perhaps Yamato, which has good sushi, and Olive Vine.
  • Mango is my favorite local Thai restaurant - it's a block down from Olive Garden. Much better than the dreck they serve at that 2nd floor Thai place on 7th + Garfield, and better than Lemongras (which isn't that bad for what it is - a Thai version of a neighborhood Chinese takeout). Mango is great, though.
  • Miracle Grill has the bad luck of being in a spot that can't seem to have a good restaurant in it. In the past ten years it seems as though that corner of 3rd st and 7th ave just keeps getting losers. WTF?
  • Anonymous wrote: Our friends had a similar brunch experience at Miracle Grill... flavorless, lukewarm brunch. It's a shame that some of 5th Ave's charm hasn't rubbed off on 7th Ave. I struggle to think of a memorable restaurant anywhere on 7th. Perhaps Yamato, which has good sushi, and Olive Vine.
    I like Santa Fe Grill...I've had some incredibly delicious specials there, the service is very friendly, and who can argue with super-hi-test margaritas? Not fancy, but consistently good. I also love Mango Thai, though I've only done delivery.

    Thanks for the heads-up on those other two places, though.
  • Subject: sette

    honestly, i didn't think sette's food was all that bad - i've been there twice (brunch and dinner) and can't point to any mistakes they made, per se. but the prices are way off. midtown pricing for midtown quality food.
  • I agree about Santa Fe--reliable place. That's where we almost always go when we're down there.
  • Agreed - Mango is quite good. And Yamato is nice as well. I haven't been to Santa Fe (there's just something about Southwestern cuisine that bugs me) but, aside from that, there's not much to speak of on 7th. I wish places like Tutta Pasta, which is drek, would clear out.

    Sette is totally forgettable, which is really a shame for such a nice, new place and a great location. I went there for my first and last time a few weeks ago.
  • Subject: poor taste in park slope

    you people suffer from poor taste. Santa Fe is "reliable" for serving sludge on a plate, poor quality dreck from a can. Mango is bland, tasteless food that is not in any way close to real Thai food. Lemongrass serves sick corn syrup sweet glop that should be illegal.
  • Subject: Re: poor taste in park slope

    george c tilyou wrote: you people suffer from poor taste. Santa Fe is "reliable" for serving sludge on a plate, poor quality dreck from a can. Mango is bland, tasteless food that is not in any way close to real Thai food. Lemongrass serves sick corn syrup sweet glop that should be illegal.
    dare I ask what you consider edible food in the nabe?
  • Subject: edible food

    rosewater
    convivium osteria
    al di la
    ici
  • Right, but if you want a cheap, easy meal without making reservations?
  • cheap easy park slope dinner, without cross streets cause I can't remember them

    Bonnie's, Fifth Ave
    Coco Roco, Fifth Ave (the peruvian place, am I getting the name right?)
    Taqueria, Seventh Ave
    Los Pollitos Dos, Fifth Ave
    Miriam's, Fifth Ave
    Long Tan (for jungle curry only), Fifth Ave
    Nana, Fifth Ave
    Y Canteen, Sixth Ave
    Tamales and flowers guy at Fourth Ave (10/11th St)
    Taco place, the one with a bar attached, Fifth Ave (11/12th St)

    I keep that Santa Fe place reserved for unpleasant conversations (designated break up restaurant!) since I never want to go there...
  • pitu wrote: cheap easy park slope dinner, without cross streets cause I can't remember them

    Bonnie's, Fifth Ave
    Pollo Roco, Fifth Ave (the peruvian place, am I getting the name right?)
    Taqueria, Seventh Ave
    Los Pollitos Dos, Fifth Ave
    Miriam's, Fifth Ave
    Long Tan (for jungle curry only), Fifth Ave
    Nana, Fifth Ave
    Y Canteen, Sixth Ave
    Tamales and flowers guy at Fourth Ave (10/11th St)
    Taco place, the one with a bar attached, Fifth Ave (11/12th St)

    I keep that Santa Fe place reserved for unpleasant conversations (designated break up restaurant!) since I never want to go there...
    After hearing lots of good things about Long Tan, I was really underwhelmed when I actually tried it. I wasn't planning on going back because I thought Nana was a much better bet for that type of food.
    However, I didn't get the jungle curry when I went. Maybe I'll give them one more chance.
  • Carnivore wrote: [quote=pitu]cheap easy park slope dinner, without cross streets cause I can't remember them

    Bonnie's, Fifth Ave
    Pollo Roco, Fifth Ave (the peruvian place, am I getting the name right?)
    Taqueria, Seventh Ave
    Los Pollitos Dos, Fifth Ave
    Miriam's, Fifth Ave
    Long Tan (for jungle curry only), Fifth Ave
    Nana, Fifth Ave
    Y Canteen, Sixth Ave
    Tamales and flowers guy at Fourth Ave (10/11th St)
    Taco place, the one with a bar attached, Fifth Ave (11/12th St)

    I keep that Santa Fe place reserved for unpleasant conversations (designated break up restaurant!) since I never want to go there...
    After hearing lots of good things about Long Tan, I was really underwhelmed when I actually tried it. I wasn't planning on going back because I thought Nana was a much better bet for that type of food.
    However, I didn't get the jungle curry when I went. Maybe I'll give them one more chance.

    yeah, it was all much better when they opened a couple years ago, then blah blah chef change leading to what the hell happened to the pad thai and that delicious beef noodle comfort food thing with tomato and coriander. Now it's all too sweet like the rest of the thai-ish food in the slope. Let's hope they don't change the jungle curry too.

    Anyway, I like the room, it's easy for groups, and the bartenders are nice. Extra bonus is they always have fresh mint around for cocktails because of the menu.
  • Not Pollo Roco --
    Coco Roco is the good peruvian place with rotisserie chicken and really good fish dishes. I has a paella there that was off the hook, making everyone at my table jealous for my dinner.[/b]
  • Subject: Jim

    I love Cocotte for brunch. Their French Toast is to die for.
  • Subject: Park Slope Restaurants

    Long-time Park Slope residents can recall when the nabe was a wasteland, restaurant-wise. Any decent restaurant was doomed by boomers who preferred fast-food or trips to Manhattan.

    Then came Cucina. And Al Di La. And Blue Ribbon. And Cocotte. And Belleville. And The Minnow. And now the explosion. What is clear is that the large number of restaurants on Fifth Ave. and the new additions on Seventh cannot all survive. How will things shake down? Well, people vote with their pocket books (and wallets and credit cards). Tastes change, but PS is full of people with sophisticated taste. What tasted good at Belleville two years ago doesn't taste as good now that you've tried Stone Park. Al Di La still creates masterpieces.
    Blue Ribbon's fish is fresher than almost anywhere, except maybe The Minnow. A half-dozen sushi chefs around the slope create inventive sushi. Everyone likes to try the new place.

    What's a person to do? Look for creativity. Look for value. Look for ambience. If you're 25 years old and want to drink, ambience means crowds and noise. If, like me, you're in your forties and accustomed to NYC restaurants, you want a quiet room, the ability to see and hear your dining companion, fresh, inventive food and good wine.

    Communicate with fellow PSers about your experiences. This blog is one forum. An even better forum is chowhound.com. Don't be afraid to tell a waitperson, host or owner what you liked and what you didn't like about their restaurant. (I've eaten at Stone Park frequently since they opened. Following last year's two star NYTimes review, they copped an attitude, which only got more unpleasant during Brooklyn restaurant week. I shared my concern with a hostess and was happy to see things revert back to the old warmth I expected there).

    A year from now, at least a dozen PS restaurants will be out of business.
    That leaves three dozen to thrive and thrill our tastebuds. Support the restaurants that please you.
  • Subject: Sette's future - NY Times

    Coming Wednesday October 5: NY Times review of Sette. By their restaurant critic Frank Bruni.
  • Subject: Rice and Thai Sky

    Forgotten from the lists here of cheap, delicious eateries are Rice on 7th Ave and Thai Sky on 5th. Also, Bar Toto on 6th Avenue. I've had only good experiences at Sette, though I wouldn't say it's cheap. Same for Miracle Grill, though I think the indoor dining room is exceptionally noisy. The main thing that's missing in Park Slope is good Indian food. Everything I've tried is terrible (Kinara, Amin - yuck).
  • Subject: NY Times - 1 Star

    By FRANK BRUNI NY Times 10/5/05

    THERE is much to learn from dining out in New York these days, and the latest lesson is a revised understanding of the proverb "youth must be served."

    You thought it was a commentary on the privileges and demands of being young, on the tyranny of youthful impulses? Think again. It's menu advice, cooking instructions. It must be, because chefs all around the city are treating it that way.

    They trot out not only veal and lamb but also poisson and baby squid. They advertise their visits to the Greenmarket as exercises in robbing the cradle: baby Romaine, baby beets, baby eggplant. The infantilization of vegetables is all the rage, and at Sette Enoteca e Cucina in Brooklyn it extended to two appetizers, the fresh mozzarella with grilled baby leeks and the baby artichokes alla Romana.

    A friend, ordering the latter, couldn't resist a bit of fun.

    "Are the artichokes really, really young?" he asked our server.

    The server didn't miss a beat. "They're mewling," he said.

    The menu descriptions at Sette and the server's sense of humor about them captured the hybrid spirit of this new restaurant, its mix of motives and attributes.

    Sette aspires to sophistication and wants to telegraph that it's in touch with the latest trends and on the hunt for distinctive ingredients. The care with which its menu and best dishes are put together underscores the aim of an increasing number of restaurateurs in Park Slope, which seems to be especially fertile soil for Italian cooking. They shoot for more than just excellent neighborhood restaurants. They shoot for excellent restaurants, period.

    But Sette isn't too full of itself. It doesn't let its ambitions trump the relaxed atmosphere in its attractively dark, oppressively loud dining room. Nor does it let those ambitions distract it from trying to win diners' hearts in direct, unpretentious ways.

    In terms of the half-dozen pasta dishes on Sette's menu, the ratio of portion to price was generous and commendable. These dishes were easily large enough to be main courses, and only one of them, fresh pappardelle with oxtail and pecorino, cost more than $15. Tagliatelle with tomato, eggplant and ricotta salata was $13. Strozzapreti with roasted corn, red peppers and watercress was $12.

    In terms of wine, Sette means to live up to the promise of its translated name, "wine bar and kitchen," by coaxing you to drink. Its persuasive tactic is a featured list of "venti per venti," or 20 bottles for $20 each. Half are red. Half are white. All are Italian, and they range from Piedmont and the Veneto down to Sicily, stopping along the way in less celebrated regions like Lazio, Apulia and Calabria.

    But Sette's good, prudent intentions are not reliably matched by the appeal of what comes out of the kitchen, run by Amanda Freitag. She was the chef de cuisine at 'Cesca, the hugely successful Italian restaurant on the Upper West Side of Manhattan, from its opening in late 2003 until early this year.

    She is a talented cook, and some of what I had at Sette was terrific, a credit to her way of taking familiar dishes and administering subtle tweaks, tiny inventions (maybe baby revisions would be the most apt phrase).

    Take that mozzarella. It was fresh and lovely, but what made it sing was its pairing with those leeks, from which Ms. Freitag wrung a surprising sweetness, amplified by a drizzling of saba, which is cooked grape must.

    An appetizer of roasted asparagus was distinguished by the Parmesan fondue on which the spears rested. It was satisfyingly rich without being heavy, and scattered here and there were crisp bits of pancetta, needed and appreciated less for their salt than for their crunch. The contrasting texture lifted the dish a notch.

    In a city with no shortage of tuna, Sette's stood out. Served as a main course, it was rolled in ground fennel seeds before being seared and topped with olives and preserved lemons.

    Sette has a wood oven, and it produced a firm crust for small appetizer pizzas, with toppings that changed from visit to visit. It also produced a fantastic plum crostata - the fruit also changed regularly - with a crisp shell.

    Ms. Freitag's hand with desserts was especially strong. She often veered admirably from the easy path of sweetness, whether with the whipped cream that accompanied that crostata or the chocolate shortbread cookies brought to our table as a complimentary coda to a long meal. A particular standout: her lemon tart with a pistachio crust.

    But Sette had a few too many letdowns. Fritto misto was so emphatic with the fritto that the misto of ingredients encased by it was a matter of guesswork. Most of the pasta dishes lacked a spark of some kind. Some of them were overcooked.

    And some of them and some of the main courses needed salt. Those main courses were for the most part pleasant, and had pleasant dimensions: a pine nut relish with slices of duck breast, a thorough char on the hanger steak. But they weren't remarkable.

    The wedges of pizza bianca that Sette serves as its bread were stale one night. Servers could be counted on for a warm greeting at the start and a warm goodbye at the end, but they could not be counted on to circle back to the table regularly, a problem in particular on a night when my friends and I ate on the less noisy patio. Except for the feeling of being stranded, it was a lovely place to sit.

    As for the fixation with so-called baby vegetables, Sette merely mimics scores of other restaurants. These vegetables in many cases aren't really immature. They're smaller, different versions of their kin. But apparently the phrase pipsqueak vegetable has a less appetizing ring than the evocation of an adorable toddler.

    What would Jonathan Swift have made of that?
  • I'm surprised he gave it a star with such a mediocre review. Bruni seems to dole them out a bit easier than Grimes did.
  • Anyone else find Bruni annoying?
  • no one has mentioned Bogota Bistro over on 5th and Douglass (don't hold me to that cross street), which is doing an amazing job after a few months. really good pan-latin, awesome drinks, and the kitchen is open until 1 AM. AWESOME chicken and potato empanada.

    no need to knock Sante Fe Grill. it may not be the best Tex-Mex I've ever had, it's a perfectly acceptable neighborhood restaurant that keeps the chips and salsa coming. besides, anything is better than Lobo.

    Mango doesn't compare to Long Tan, but they're cheaper and ok for delivery. I went to Sette once and actually really liked the pasta dish I had, as well as the wine list.

    has anyone had a burger from Elios yet? damn good job.

    what about places like Melt on Bergen between 5th and 6th? the location is perenially doomed, and the menu put me to sleep. has anyone been there yet?

    great site.
  • Subject: The most consistent

    The most consistent reasonably priced are 12th street, Nana and bonnies grill. I am never disappointed with the food or the bill in those restaurants. However, they are not in the same league as Al Di La, Tempo or stone Park, but then they don't charge those rates.
  • Subject: Re: The most consistent

    doldrums wrote: The most consistent reasonably priced are 12th street, Nana and bonnies grill. I am never disappointed with the food or the bill in those restaurants. However, they are not in the same league as Al Di La, Tempo or stone Park, but then they don't charge those rates.
    right on
    now I'll try 12th St - what is it?

    p.s. I think the post above yours is the Bogota shiller

    p.p.s. If you're not the Bogota Shiller, I am sorry. It's just that they are sooooo annoying on other boards. Those guys and their business plan are such a drag.
  • i'm completely not a shiller, trust me. i'm bored and at work, like everyone else probably posting on here.

    ...not to say that i couldn't be bought by any of the above-mentioned restaurants real cheap. then i'd shill for anyone...
  • Subject: Sette on 7th

    I am a huge fan of Sette - just visited again on election night and had an orichiette dish to kill for - covered with pork ragu. My wife had chicken breast stuffed with Italian vegatables. And their southern Italian wines @ $20.00 are a best bet.

    Here's a couple of other reasons to celebrate Sette - it is owned and operated by women (and the chef is a woman) - and they discourage young children - how welcome is that in Park Slope!!
  • Subject: sette and miracle grill

    Wow! so surprised at the bad experiences at the new eats on 7th. I had an absolutely unforgettable meal at Sette... the fish was fresh and unique, the pasta was perfection and the wine both affordable and delicious. I was so pleased, I've been sending friends ever since. Maybe I visited after they had settled in experimented.

    Never had Miracle Grill's brunch but love there dinner menu. It's great for a lighter meal (2 or 3 apps) or a full on meal with entree. It's hard to find decent mexican-american food in the hood... and you can't beat the location. Very pleased.
  • Subject: sette and miracle grill

    Wow! so surprised at the bad experiences at the new eats on 7th. I had an absolutely unforgettable meal at Sette... the fish was fresh and unique, the pasta was perfection and the wine both affordable and delicious. I was so pleased, I've been sending friends ever since. Maybe I visited after they had settled in and experimented.

    Never had Miracle Grill's brunch but love their dinner menu. It's great for a lighter meal (2 or 3 apps) or a full on meal with entree. It's hard to find decent mexican-american food in the hood... and you can't beat the location. Very pleased.
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