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Mugging Map

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  • This map is great -- I posted a bunch of pins based on muggings and other robberies and violent crime within Park Slope/Prospect Heights/Crown Heights from a couple of sources: The Brooklyn Paper and Errol's Save Brooklyn Now! website.

    http://www.brooklynpaper.com/
    http://savebrooklynnow.blogspot.com/

    Any thoughts as to limiting this map by area/date/type of crime? I'd be inclined to remove non-violent crime, such as car windows being broken, breaking-and-entering, etc., and focus more on mugging-type incidents.
  • I know this map isn't complete with every incident posted but I found something very interesting. The areas with the most reported incidents are not the ones that people would typically think. For instance, the areas around washington ave, down by pacific/dean and washington/grand/classon, franklin, classon, bedford, etc. do not appear to be hot spots for this type of thing. Rather it is the area by flatbush and the areas coming away from subway stops the present the most danger.

    It also shows that while people may perceive that Prospect Heights and the western side of Crown Heights are less safe than areas like Park Slope it doesn't appear to be the case, at least based on this map. It looks like you have a better chance of getting mugged if you get off at the grand army plaza stop than you do at the franklin ave stop.
  • Ben wrote: I know this map isn't complete with every incident posted but I found something very interesting. The areas with the most reported incidents are not the ones that people would typically think. For instance, the areas around washington ave, down by pacific/dean and washington/grand/classon, franklin, classon, bedford, etc. do not appear to be hot spots for this type of thing. Rather it is the area by flatbush and the areas coming away from subway stops the present the most danger.

    It also shows that while people may perceive that Prospect Heights and the western side of Crown Heights are less safe than areas like Park Slope it doesn't appear to be the case, at least based on this map. It looks like you have a better chance of getting mugged if you get off at the grand army plaza stop than you do at the franklin ave stop.
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  • Ben wrote: I know this map isn't complete with every incident posted . . . (snip)
    This map has been up for a day. It's very cool that some people have taken the time to build it and fill in information from the threads and the published sources, but it is still REALLY far from comprehensive.
    I don't think any conclusions can be drawn about what train or street is safer.

    I'm interested to see if car window smashings line up with purse snatchings, but I agree that there isn't room for every kind of crime on this map. I hope all muggings, with or without assault, make it on to the map and are labeled as such.

    bah, ugly topic
    It happens all over the city. If it happens to you, fight back as best you can.
    I think the recent crime focus of this board is really instructive -- a great eye-opener to people who may have their guard down.
  • hey!
    long time no post. I thought I'd chime in here a little bit.
    I think that there has been a jump in crime all over the city, not just here in this 'hood. I think everyone can be super sensitive to their own circumstance. For whatever its value, and im *sure* its not all-inclusive, gothamist has what they call a 'happenings' map http://gothamist.com/labs/map which I'm sure you are all familiar with. and if you watch it with any regularity you'll see that there also seems to be a noticeable jump in crime on the UWS. It might also be in other neighborhoods, but I'm only paying attention to mine (here) and my gf's (there).
    I think its good for people to make announcements about this stuff but as its been said before and i wont belabor the point, you live in a city and its everyones responsibility to look out for themselves. But there are added bonus karma points for watching out for your neighbors too!
    you would want someone looking out for you.
  • Subject: What kind of crime?

    When we talk about crime going up or down, I think we should be specific about what kind of crime. In our precinct, which includes Crown Heights, according to the numbers released by the police, here's what kinds of crime went down in 2007 compared to 2006:

    - Murders dropped in 2007 to 15 from 23 the year before
    - Rape dropped to 17 from 22

    Here's what went up or stayed the same:

    - Robbery grew to 380 from 354 the year before
    - Felony assault went to 329 from 297
    - Burglary went to 299 from 263
    - Grand Larceny (theft of more than $1,000) stayed about the same at 366 from 364

    Property crimes seem to be most of the increase.

    I got this stuff from the precinct website: http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/crime_prevention/crime_statistics.shtml

    edited to include the link.
  • One thing I really like about the possibilities of THIS map is that muggings, with or without assault and with or without showing up on the police blotter (which doesn't show these more *minor* events), would be marked. And we get to see the accumulation, which is different from indvidual reportings, different from the ever-interesting Gothamist map and different from year-end NYPD figures.

    Thanks for logging the details of location and which muggings had a violent component, etc.
    I sometimes read the pd blotter in a local paper, but I don't always. A daylight mugging on my block turned up on the map that I didn't know about...
  • :o

    I cant believe how many pins there are already! As far as limiting the "type" of crime, I think we can assign colors to pins tp represent differnt types of crime.

    blue = mugged
    red = busted car window

    something like that
  • how far back in time are we going?
  • how far back in time are we going?
    I sort of got into a pin-adding frenzy yesterday... but only went back to October. The Brooklyn Paper contains the police blotter from 2007 and 2008, but it seems that they just began reporting on the 77th precinct in 2008 (I'm on the Park Slope/Prospect Heights border, so I'm personally interested in both neighborhoods). I also did not include certain crimes from the far-South Slope and Gowanus, so someone interested in those neighborhoods might want to do their own review of the Brooklyn Paper.
  • Subject: thanks!

    this map is incredibly helpful. thank you so much for creating it! and to everyone for posting their incidents.
    hopefully there will be less and less as 2008 continues...
  • Subject: Re: Mugging Map

    Mr. Tips wrote: Ive created a collaberative google map where we can pin locations. I *think* I did it right...


    Mugging Map


    Maybe we can find a trend?

    EDIT: fixed link & orphaned tags
    This is great! I love it!

    Do you think we can print it out, blow it up and convince the MTA to display it at the 7th Avenue Q Station?

    Thanks for taking the time to do this.
  • King without a crown wrote: There have been several Robberies that have occurred that have not been reported on Brooklynian and also a lot that've never been reported at all.
    It's the undetected crimes that scare me the most.
  • Could this thread be added to the Crown Heights Forum--or at least the link to the map? It might be useful, particularly to those who live/travel in the west end of the nabe.
  • So, anybody clever with Google Maps?
    It would be nice to see the list that accompanies this map sorted by date, and perhaps the pins color-coded by incident type...
  • Can we add public pissing to the map? I was walking on Carlton Avenue between Prospect and Park today and some young kid was walking toward me with his fly down. I passed him and noticed a bunch of urine on the ground. He yelled back to me "You like my piss trail?"

    Punk.

    Wouldn't be surprised if he was part of the muggin' posse.
  • Isn't there a way to color code the pins? You have more than just "muggings" on the map so maybe if robberies were blue, homicide was red, shots fired could be yellow...

    Disregard, Pitu already made the same suggestion.
  • I think "yellow" should be for what I just described.

    Ba-dum-bump.
  • To change the pin colors:

    -Go to google mugging map, select edit mode (you need to be logged in)
    -Click on any existing pin
    -When edit box appears, you'll see the pin icon in a box at upper right
    -Click the icon, and you'll see a whole range of color choices

    There are also other icons we could add, aside from just changing the colors.

    I changed the Underhill/St John's summer shooting to red, as an example...but I guess we should reach a consensus on the color scheme first...as if anyone here can agree about anything :wink:

    Edit: Just noticed you can also use custom icons, which might be a good idea. I find the default pins/icons to be too large, given that we are looking at a pretty small area of the map. Any aspiring graphic artist/semiotic/cartographer types care to come up with the first official Prospect Height crime icon series? What an honor!
  • I see there's pins with and without black dots -- the dots could be assault/violence, and no dot for plain mugging, no assault
    If anyone is feeling industrious enough to change all those.

    I think red for murder/shooting was a good suggestion...
    gak, that's horrible.
  • Someone chose a color scheme and updated the map, but didn't describe their choices. I interpret it as:

    red = gun crimes/shootings
    blue = mugging/assault
    purple = store robbery/break-in
    green = quality of life incident/general thugishness (ie bottle throwing)

    I posted that in the map description as well. Seems to work...we can always add more colors later.

    Pitu- i thought abt the dot/no-dot idea too. The dot is sort of like a bullet hole, so I was thinking crimes committed with weapons get the dot. Might be too subtle a distinction though.
  • Excellent map!
  • What color should we use for quality-of-life architectural crimes? The blocks to avoid for their eyesores.
  • How about black, if it's an option? Or, eyesore human doo-doo brown.
  • Thanks for adding the 77 police station. I didn't know it was so far away. Can you please add other police stations?
  • Added some additional precinct locations in surrounding areas. The 76th is actually much closer to Prospect Heights than the 77th is.

    Are there any police "stations" other than the main precinct locations? Would officers from the 76th respond to crimes in progress in Prospect Heights? Just curious.
  • poppy13 wrote: Thanks for adding the 77 police station. I didn't know it was so far away. Can you please add other police stations?
    A note about the updating of this map:
    anybody can do it!

    Mr Tips set up an open source, for everybody to participate.
    :D
  • ok, i've officially become obsessed with the mugging map concept...this seems to be the gold standard for crime maps:
    http://chicagocrime.org/map/

    Unfortunately, NYPD doesn't disclose crime information electronically the way Chicago does, so even if we could figure out how to do this (or wait for the site developer to release an google maps API...which they said will happen), we'd still have to manually enter all the crimes.
  • arches wrote: Would officers from the 76th respond to crimes in progress in Prospect Heights? Just curious.
    Highly unlikely.
  • ParadeRest wrote: [quote=arches] Would officers from the 76th respond to crimes in progress in Prospect Heights? Just curious.
    Highly unlikely.

    Because they're at Union and Henry in Carroll Gdns. What about the 78th at Bergen and 6th?
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