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Vacant Storefront question — Brooklynian

Vacant Storefront question

Jessica S writes:

"I am a local business owner and I am looking to possibly open a children’s clothing shop in the area. I drove by a location on Vanderbilt and wondered if you happen to know the contact info for the owner or the realty agent. I didn’t write down the phone number. It looks like a great space. I am not sure about the history."

Question: what was the cross street?

"I think it was Park Pl on the east side with a big front window."
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  • muddy waters?
  • Of course, we do already have a children's clothing store on Vanderbilt, just a few blocks down.
  • I didn't even think Vanderbilt Ave could support 1 kids' store let alone 2.
  • I'd hate to see the space go that way, but sometimes there can be synergy between 2 stores offering similar items near each other, drawing people to looking for those items to the area to shop.
  • Open up on Franklin. Lots of reasonably priced store fronts. Sure a few years away, but be a pioneer! In fact I think I have seen one or two strollers...
  • Please come to Washington Avenue and Lincoln Place. I'm sick of looking at all the shuttered storefronts. Plus, there is a Montessori School right there with a ton of tots and parents dropping off and picking up their kids.

    There are brand new condos ont he corner of Washington and Sterling, so mre families are on the way.
  • Who buys those $40 tee shirts for toddlers anyway?
  • parrothead wrote: Who buys those $40 tee shirts for toddlers anyway?
    Stop being so snarky!
  • roux42 wrote: [quote=parrothead]Who buys those $40 tee shirts for toddlers anyway?
    Stop being so snarky!

    Seconded. For one, I do, for my nieces. They get a mix of stuff, just like adults. Sometimes Old Navy, and sometimes fancier pieces. What's the big deal?
  • :roll:

    Snarky, heh? I'll show you snarky!!!!

    $40 can feed ten hungry people.

    (or 1 tee for a three year old)
  • parrothead wrote: :roll:

    Snarky, heh? I'll show you snarky!!!!

    $40 can feed ten hungry people.

    (or 1 tee for a three year old)
    That's is a really, really dumb comparison. My social donation obligations are taken care of already {Kiva.org, if you're interested}, why should I feel bad for buying my nieces whatever I like? I worked for it, I'll spend it anywhere I care to, thanks.

    BTW, Kiva.org is an wonderful organization that makes micro-loans to entrepreneurs in developing countries, so they can FEED THEMSELVES. Interesting concept, eh?
  • The kids store already on Vanderbilt is way overpriced. I don't think the comment was snarky.
  • 8) Struck a nerve, did I?

    Happy spending SJE.
  • sje wrote:
    ...why should I feel bad for buying my nieces whatever I like? I worked for it, I'll spend it anywhere I care to, thanks.
    ...
    you deserve it, and so do your nieces and the other members of your inner circle. don't let anyone ever tell you differently. and thanks for the conspicuous compassion; what good is charity if you can't drive it down the middle of the street with the window rolled down and the horn blaring?
  • parrothead wrote: 8) Struck a nerve, did I?

    Happy spending SJE.
    Not at all. I just don't think that comparing buying a present for someone should be equated with feeding the worlds hungry. It seems simplistic and silly. How many hungry adults have you fed with your hard worked for cash, instead of purchasing clothing for your family? Ridiculous.

    And thank you, it gives me great joy to dress my beautiful nieces. When you have to buy presents or clothes for children, feel free to buy things for them from thrift stores. That's not for me or many others, but if it suits you, great!

    Actually, Corduroy Kid is not overpriced for the brands they carry. Do a little comparison shopping. Those same things can cost more elsewhere.
  • gypsy wrote: The kids store already on Vanderbilt is way overpriced. I don't think the comment was snarky.
    i heart cordury kids
    i think they have beautiful and unusual things
    i don't have children, so perhaps i like to spoil the ones in my life a bit

    you might have a different idea about what is appropriate to spend on kids clothing, but they are not over priced for the quality they carry and compared to many other kid's stores that stock comparable stuff, they are not that expensive.
  • You mean not overpriced compared to all the other overpriced kid stores in park slope? I totally agree.
  • parrothead wrote: :roll:

    Snarky, heh? I'll show you snarky!!!!

    $40 can feed ten hungry people.

    (or 1 tee for a three year old)
    That logic has has holes in it that one could drive a truck through.

    For the cost of our cell phones, iPods, laptops, stereos, books, furniture, appliances, dining out, night at a bar, movie tickets, pet care, cars, <insert target despised non-survival-based consumer item here>, etc. we could feed a whole lot of people.

    <yawn>
  • gypsy wrote: You mean not overpriced compared to all the other overpriced kid stores in park slope? I totally agree.
    maybe this is a question of semantics...

    by overpriced do you mean:

    a. the mark up is too high and the store owner is making money hand over fist
    or
    b. you don't think children's clothing should cost that much but you actually have no idea why it might

    no, i have no connection with cordury kids, but my father was a clothing retailer in nyc and i have a fair understanding of what it takes to make such an establishment work.
    and i am beating this into the ground because i find that often people on these boards don't appreciate the huge amount of time, energy and money it takes to get a business off the ground ANYWHERE and especially in an area that is not "proven".
    people complain all the time about the "lack of amenities": a bookstore, a florist, a fish market...
    but when someone makes the commitment to sign a lease, renovate and open up they can be judged in what i find to be an excedingly harsh way.
  • I bow to your good sense Sterling 2000.
    The Coalition for the Homeless would agree. (minus the yawn)

    Love the photo. 8)
  • it's neither a nor b. I think the owner is charging way too much, but probably not making that much money. The store is small and only open like half the week. Also I'm sure there is sugnificant overhead and it's relitively new so most stores don't make money the first few years.

    I understand why certain clothes are more expensive. I just don't think a cotton onesie is worth $30. They are not even non sweat shop. I went there really wanting to find a gift for someone, if not for the sole reason that it was a very quick trip from my house. I ended up buying a very well made brooklyn industries sweatshirt (on sale) for less than they were selling a onesie.

    It's funny to me how people on here are so quick to say someone else is being "snarky" and then post these messages making assumptions about people ...like they "can't understand" how cloths are priced, and assume that I for one complain about there not being enough stores around here. I love supporting local business, but if the pet store suddenly went "boutique" and added 20 bucks to all there stuff I wouldn't go there either. You choose to support this store and that's your right, it's also mine not too.
  • I think its all about perspecitve. Most kids grow at alarmingly fast rates, so fast that rarely do they wear an item of clothing out before they outgrow it, especially kids younger than school-aged. So the question becomes is it necessary/important to you/etc. to spend $$$s on an item of clothing when you can get a similar, less expensive, but lower quality item whose life span will just about mirror the growth of your kid.

    Is it worth it to have a 18 month old with a drawer full of $40 (or $20) dollar tees when you can get $6-8 dollar tees from the Children's Place? Probably not. But I don't begrudge anyone the right to do so if that's what they choose. For me, I buy a mix of lower and higher cost items and they get passed between my kids, my neices and nephews and a few of my friends kids until they are no longer suitable to be worn. It saves all of us money, and frankly the three year-old has no idea that his big cousin wore the same pants two years ago.

    The reality is that Cordury Kids is probably not going to be the place that you buy every item of clothing in your kid's closet from. But it may be a place for folks in the area to pick up a item here or there, or something they might want to spend more money on like shoes or coats. I think of it more as the kind of place you'd go to buy a gift for someone else's child where you'd say "I'm going to spend $40 bucks for a gift", and the fact that its two tee shirts vs. five tees just isn't very important.

    I think that the area needs all kinds of stores. Let the market decide what it will bear. But, then don't complain about the lack of local choices if all that exist are banks, chain stores, and restaurants.
  • Exactly. No one in their right mind is going to outfit a kid from a place like that, but for doting aunties to buy a baby shower gift? Beats the hell out of a butt-wipes warmer from Buy Buy Baby.
  • i still don't understand the "overpriced" bit
    but
    that being the case i have bought 2 gifts at corduroy kids recently; both about $40
    one was a complete outfit (i caught a 15% off sale): a truly original shirt paired with heavy duty pants (if it hadn't been on sale i might have just bought the shirt, it was totally cute)
    the other was some sort of cuddly blanket new born thingy that i honestly considered buying for myself as a wall hanging; it was that individual and that beautiful
    so
    if it's not a matter of semantics
    maybe it's a matter of timing
    or taste
    or what you are looking for
    (i never look at the t-shirts but come to think of it, i also bought a new born gift some months ago, one of those "sweet pea" sack things that was such a success that the parents gave them as baby gifts to all their friends)

    as long as we are on the topic of less banks and chain stores/more interesting shopping alternatives,
    i'd like to give a big shout out to my friend sje at Red Lipstick across the street who has kept me fashionably (and reasonably) attired since i moved to crown heights

    small businesses rule!
  • Having a baby store in the neighborhood when your are NOT a parent is a nice benefit. And I agree that the synergistic thing can happen when two stores in the same area do the same sort of thing. If I'm having a major party, I buy liquor at the store on Vanderbilt between Pacific and Dean; if I want a really tasty bottle of wine that someone can help me choose, I go to Fermented Grapes. Often the two are needed on the same occasion, and the proximity of the two benefits them both.
    Back to the baby stores: I don't have kids, but many of my friends do. They tend to buy most of their things at thrift shops, online or at Old Navy or Babies R Us or what have you. I much prefer to shop anywhere that is not a huge retail extravaganza. And, hey, I can afford that thirty dollar pair of leather booties that my friends won't spring for. They get to be reasonable parents who put money away in college funds. I get to splurge on the little one.
    Bring it on. All for unshuttering as many storefronts as possible.
    Shall I list the charitable donations that I will be deducting from my taxes this year as a justification? I think not.
  • $30 cotton "made in china" onesie = overpriced

    I love small businesses and support many in the neighborhood, just not this one. I went to this store wanting to support it but found the selection bad and prices inflated. I went there to buy a gift for a shower but realized that my gift would seem very cheap for the money I would have spent there and went elsewhere (to another brooklyn store btw.)

    Also, please don't insult my taste or continue to make assuptions about me. thanks.
  • I'm in agreement with neene, SJE and Lucille (gasp - I know, we rarely agree, right?) on this one. I love stores that make it easy to be a doting friend/family member/co-worker. stores like Corduroy Kid make that simple. I'm sure that, except for the wealthy, most parents don't shop regularly in those stores. they are special occasion stores and, given the number of tailors in the area displaying prominently Easter dresses and hats, special occasion outfits are something almost everyone in this area comprehends. also, there's just the cuteness factor. I've totally bought overpriced (as in, puhLEEZ, it's screen printed cotton!) t-shirts or onesies for a kid - no shame involved, people. my best friend in Miami's little boy TOTALLY needed that teeshirt that says "MACHO" - he's half Cuban and half Argentine, the definition of a macho in my book.

    and, please, how many times have I wandered into SJE's place and bought MYSELF jewelry that I totally don't *need*?? (and yes, I'm long overdue for a visit - I'll come by soon for one of my splurges) if her clothing fit me, or if pieces' clothing fit me, I'd have a serious problem in the nabe. but would I buy all of my clothing at those places? of course not. hell. most of my pants are from Marshall's or Old Navy - I'm a fan of pretty blouses and cashmere sweaters. expensive pants get in the way of that.

    and no, I'm not even going near the enumeration of my charitable giving. between actual monetary contributions, professional giving, and stuff giving, I pull my weight.
  • I agree that almost no-one is going to outfit their child {or themselves} exclusively from any one store. I'm all for mixing it up high and low. I own a whole boutique, but do I also own a pair of Old Navy jeans? Yes! I also have a pair of $200. jeans. The fit is totally different on them and they are both appropriate in different contexts.

    Plus I wanted to say that those expensive baby gifts generally get passed on to siblings or friends, and the better quality ones do last longer. My baby niece is now wearing lovely hand-me-downs I originally sent for her older sister, I love that.
  • I've outfitted my own child for the last seven years. What you're all saying seems to be the norm—a hodge-podge collection of attire works best, i.e., clothes from Old Navy, Gap, Children's Place, H & M make up the bulk, with a few items thrown in from kiddie boutiques. For my money, I usually reserve those purchases from the upscale boutiques for items that'll get lots of wear such as a winter coat or a solid pair of boots. And I often go to these places for gifts. You'll find that the items are of a higher-quality—you get what you pay for!

    However, I don't need my child to wear Ramones or CBGB tees (or something comparable) for some "look at my cool kid" thing. For some reason this sort of expression thru a kid irks me. At the same time, it's kinda cute...
  • I love Cordoroy Kids and it's owner. She took a gamble, and the store elevates the the image of the neighborhood and the strip. Shops like this and Fabrica are great additions. Having said that, as a middle class mom, I cannot afford to buy there for my son.

    On the other hand, someone please open a cafe ala Choice on Grand in Clinton Hill, preferably on Washington. Or lend me the capital and I'll do it.
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