The low life losers are out tonight
My wife and I were just returning home (around 10.15pm), walking towards Vanderbilt from the 7th Ave stop. While walking, three young (black) men (from about 18-23 ) were walking towards us. As they passed, one took a fake swing/shove at me. Since I wasn't looking directly at them, I caught it out of the corner of my eye and instinctively looked behind me as they passed. They were all waiting for me to turn around and react. When I saw that, I turned around and told my wife to keep walking.
We reached Vanderbilt and continued north...then I noticed that they had decided that they would follow us (looking back at them was probably all they needed). As we walked towards St. Marks on Vanderbilt, they were getting closer to us. So, we turned the corner on St. Marks and ran towards Underhill to make it home.
Their whole spiel was intimidation. That may have worked enough to get us to hurry home, but I wasn't going to give them the satisfaction of a face-to-face encounter.
We reached Vanderbilt and continued north...then I noticed that they had decided that they would follow us (looking back at them was probably all they needed). As we walked towards St. Marks on Vanderbilt, they were getting closer to us. So, we turned the corner on St. Marks and ran towards Underhill to make it home.
Their whole spiel was intimidation. That may have worked enough to get us to hurry home, but I wasn't going to give them the satisfaction of a face-to-face encounter.
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That SUCKS. Glad you and your partner are okay.
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there were three teenagers looking us up& down on washington ave as well. we turned into our apt. before reaching them but they had their eyes on us from as soon as we turned the corner. very weird. seemed like i saw a bunch of boys walking in 3 btw. washington and flatbush on my way to PS earlier in the evening as well. maybe i'm just paranoid now, but i always see teenagers on washington but these 3 looked like they were going to give us trouble - not the normal crew at all.
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I hope you atleast called the Police and gave them a description of these shitheads.
P.S. How come this stuff never happens to me? I would love for one of these Scumbags to swing on me! -
King without a crown wrote:
Haha! Probably because exude the badass aura of a cop
P.S. How come this stuff never happens to me? I would love for one of these Scumbags to swing on me!
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Maybe I should teach classes and also serve krones and lattes.
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King without a crown wrote: I hope you atleast called the Police and gave them a description of these shitheads.
I have to admit I'd kind of love that too. Not that I want someone to take a swing at you, but I bet he'd regret it toot sweet!
P.S. How come this stuff never happens to me? I would love for one of these Scumbags to swing on me! -
Fiance was out walking the dog with a friend of ours and a group of 4-5 teenagers threw a bag of trash across the street at them while shouting things like, "We ain't afraid of your dog." Didn't make much sense since fiance & friend hadn't even noticed the kids until they started acting like assholes. That was about a month ago.
Last night we were in the car on Park at the corner of Underhill at the light (by the "new" bodega). A group of 4-5 teenagers crossed the street on a red light super slow in order to make the cars coming at them (who had the green) stop. They walked super slow to make the car wait and stared at the driver the whole time. Intimidation was def the goal.
There's a lot of stupid and borderline criminal behavior going down in the teenage/early 20s population in our 'hood, folks. Just be alert. Don't be afraid to call the cops. They've stepped up car patrols on the streets. Noticed quite a few more cars lately. If they get calls that there are suspicious things going on they'll keep up their presence. -
Scumbags
Hah! I love it. Old school. -
I don't know how "borderline" this kind of behavior is to me. Sorry if I sound like a hardass about this, but throwing objects at people, making intimidating statements or threatening gestures and blatantly slowing up traffic is illegal conduct. And I don't think this is just silly kids just being little shits. This is little shits making people afraid to walk their dogs, to go out for drinks, to go to the supermarket, etc. in their own neighborhood.
If you witness any of this kind of stuff, people... please, don't hesitate to call the police and report it. -
Their whole spiel was intimidation. That may have worked enough to get us to hurry home, but I wasn't going to give them the satisfaction of a face-to-face encounter.
That's funny. I think it's more like you didn't want to risk looking like a herb, or getting beat up in front of your wife. It's okay though, because I probably would have hot-footed it out of there too. However, to make it seem like you would have taken them all on had it not been for not wanting to "give them the satisfaction" is really, really funny.
Plucky Purcell wrote:This is little shits making people afraid to walk their dogs, to go out for drinks, to go to the supermarket, etc. in their own neighborhood.
"Their own neighborhood?" Just because you live here doesn't give you the instant legitimacy of belonging to this area, and being respected as such by those who have grown up here (as quickly dwindling as their numbers are). Try to keep that in mind when you consider this your neighborhood, rather than a neighborhood that includes other (for the moment, at least), entrenched groups. -
Is pepper spray legal? I'd love the satisfaction of dowsing these asshats with the stuff should it ever happen again.
It seems that they are banking on nobody every fighting back. Given that all of the guys were bigger than me, and there were three of them, fighting "like a man" doesn't seem like a viable option. Plus, my wife really isn't going to be able to protect herself. -
Underhill_MT wrote: Fiance was out walking the dog with a friend of ours and a group of 4-5 teenagers threw a bag of trash across the street at them while shouting things like, "We ain't afraid of your dog." Didn't make much sense since fiance & friend hadn't even noticed the kids until they started acting like assholes. That was about a month ago.
At what time did these incidents occur?
Last night we were in the car on Park at the corner of Underhill at the light (by the "new" bodega). A group of 4-5 teenagers crossed the street on a red light super slow in order to make the cars coming at them (who had the green) stop. They walked super slow to make the car wait and stared at the driver the whole time. Intimidation was def the goal. -
i just don't want to get spit on. i hate when that happens. worse than a bottle being thrown at you - assuming bottle bounces off.
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Is pepper spray legal? I'd love the satisfaction of dowsing these asshats with the stuff should it ever happen again.
Asshats! -
liftandcut wrote: Plucky Purcell wrote:
How long does one have to live here, in your opinion, before it's okay for him or her to get to walk around without expecting to be intimidated or bullied?This is little shits making people afraid to walk their dogs, to go out for drinks, to go to the supermarket, etc. in their own neighborhood.
"Their own neighborhood?" Just because you live here doesn't give you the instant legitimacy of belonging to this area, and being respected as such by those who have grown up here (as quickly dwindling as their numbers are). Try to keep that in mind when you consider this your neighborhood, rather than a neighborhood that includes other (for the moment, at least), entrenched groups. -
liftandcut wrote: That's funny. I think it's more like you didn't to risk looking like a herb, or getting beat up in front of your wife. It's okay though, because I probably would have hot-footed it out of there too. However, to make it seem like you would have taken them all on had it not been for not wanting to "give them the satisfaction" is really, really funny.
At what point did I ever insinuate that I would have taken them all on? Regardless of my wife's presence, I certainly would never attempt to do so.
Project elsewhere.
EDIT: and the "it's okay though" part - gee, thanks for your approval. -
gee, thanks for your approval
You're welcome! -
Pepper spray is legal to carry, and regardless of how long you live in a neighborhood, or just happen to be visiting, you are entitled to walk Harassment free. These little scumbags don't own the neighborhood, and I don't think walking with your spouse or walking a dog in your neighborhood entitles anyone to Harass nor intimidate you. The problem is that these kids don't get punched in the face when they do this.
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liftandcut wrote: "Their own neighborhood?" Just because you live here doesn't give you the instant legitimacy of belonging to this area, and being respected as such by those who have grown up here (as quickly dwindling as their numbers are). Try to keep that in mind when you consider this your neighborhood, rather than a neighborhood that includes other (for the moment, at least), entrenched groups.
You live somewhere, it's your neighborhood. We're not on vacation or extended business trips here. Who's to say these thugs even live in PH and aren't marauding around from adjacent neighborhoods? How do you even know where I'm from or these other posters are from? You don't. Either way, I don't care how "entrenched" you are, it doesn't change the law and basic societal concepts of civility - and throwing objects, harassment, intimidation, assault, robbery and blocking traffic ain't legit. I don't want or need the respect of people who carry on like that. I just want them to leave me and others alone. -
King without a crown wrote: The problem is that these kids don't get punched in the face when they do this.
Surely you're not suggesting that people take the law into their own hands... :twisted: -
actually, liftandcut, if i live in a specific neighborhood, it's my neighborhood.
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actually, liftandcut, if i live in a specific neighborhood, it's my neighborhood
How do you even know where I'm from or these other posters are from? You don't.
Wow, you're all so mad. Okay. So, I don't care where you're from, for one, and if you consider an area you moved to a few years ago "your" neighborhood, so be it. I've lived here for six years, and I don't think it's "my" neighborhood. Sure, I can walk around and say hi to all of the business owners and others I see every day, but I wasn't raised here. Six years is not roots, folks. I am glad that I have developed a tight friendship with one person who grew up on this block. You might be surprised to know what people who grew up here feel about their neighborhood changing so rapidly. I am very fond of this area, but do I walk around thinking this is my neighborhood? No. That's the problem with a lot of you people. You come here and consider it yours, but not everybody's. That was my point. I wasn't legitimizing violence. You all moved here because it is relatively cheap, and felt safe when you found out that other people that look like you have been moving here. But you didn't come here ready to adapt and change the way you think and behave. Soon you will all get your wish and have cops on every corner, Whole Foods, Barnes & Noble, Starbucks, and any other conveniences you wake up from dreams of. By then, the only kids you will have to deal with will be Gerber babies in strollers being pushed by Haitian ladies. Then it will really feel like home. Just try to sit tight for now. -
"Their own neighborhood?" Just because you live here doesn't give you the instant legitimacy of belonging to this area, and being respected as such by those who have grown up here (as quickly dwindling as their numbers are).
So I shouldn't be mad if I get harassed or mugged because my roots aren't in Prospect Heights? Sounds like legitimizing violence to me.
I can understand why people are mad at the new condos, new people, gentrification...etc. But it still doesn't give anyone the right to harass an innocent person.
Why do I feel like I'm preaching to the choir? -
You are still missing the point, and it one that has been discussed many times on DH. Many people move here and project the attitude that they have no interest in being part of the neighborhood. Instead, it is an obvious reluctance to create any kind of relationship with people who already live here, and air of entitlement. It's not everybody, but many of you do this and may not even know you do. People here have always been friendly to each other, and after getting to know newcomers, often embracing. But that goes two ways, and a lot of people who move here don't reach out in that way. It's disappointing because the "neighborhood" feel is starting to fade.
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I agree but what does that have to do with people throwing trash at people?
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I like the whole "what's up with the kids today" vibe of this board.
Hooligans!
Miscreants!!
Scoundrels!!!
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Wow, I haven't heard someone call someone a "herb" since HS!
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liftandcut, beware the Straw Man
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Carnivore wrote: [quote=King without a crown]The problem is that these kids don't get punched in the face when they do this.
Surely you're not suggesting that people take the law into their own hands... :twisted:
Defending yourself from an attack, does not constitute taking the law into your own hands. Maybe if more people defended themslves there might be less incidence of random violence. Just a thought -
King without a crown wrote: [quote=Carnivore][quote=King without a crown]The problem is that these kids don't get punched in the face when they do this.
Surely you're not suggesting that people take the law into their own hands... :twisted:
Defending yourself from an attack, does not constitute taking the law into your own hands. Maybe if more people defended themslves there might be less incidence of random violence. Just a thought
i think that's probably true but 2 things that make it tough are
1. these "kids" often travel in packs, giving not only the physical advantage of numbers but the psychological advantage of being egged on by a group
2. when one is in their teens there is a sense of invincibility that comes from living in the moment with little concern for consequence, as one gets older, this tends to diminish and the rational mind takes over the adrenalin flow sooner
that said, you get me on the wrong day and ...
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