WTF is going on around here
I post something in a thread questioning why someone would post so negatively about the kids in Park Slope when trying to describe the neighborhood. The poster in question happens to be a moderator so he/she sends me a PM saying he/she "moved" my post since it was a board question (huh?). Except he/she didn't move my post but deleted it. And then said that if the question was for him/her that it should have been in a PM -- huh? If threads on this board aren't for conversation then what are they for? This person also said they posted one negative item (kids in Park Slope) but didn't want to post all the negative items (crime, dog shit, etc) but claims he/she didn't have an agenda.
What a bunch of bullshit.
Again, you guys are over-moderating.
What a bunch of bullshit.
Again, you guys are over-moderating.
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I looked at that thread and your post and agree with homeowner that your post was off-topic and would have totally derailed that thread, in which a newbie was just asking for info about the neighborhood. If you ever feel that a moderator decision is unfair, you can send a PM to one of the admins (Dailyheights, Emily, or apollonia666). If they agree with you, your post can be moved back.
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Shocking.
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Here's the PM I got.
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I'm moving your post because it is a question about the boards and so it either belongs in Ask Brooklynian or a pm.
As for why I linked to it, most of the threads on this boards are full of people's opinions about the subjects. I don't endorse or condemn any of them. It just happens to be one of the most active threads on the PS board (at just about 17 pages) and it discusses a lot of issues folks have about many places in PS that are discussed in the other threads I linked to. It is also one of those touchstone threads that gets referrenced a lot around here.
I'm not pushing any agenda. I could have posted links for the PS crime wave last fall, or the credit card fraud, or the man love at the NYSC. I chose not to do that because I didn't want to color the OP's perspective. If you have other threads that you feel better reflect your neighborhood, feel free to post them as well rather than just critique.
Homeowner
Forget about content. "Moving your post" is not what happened. My post was deleted. "Moving your post" seems like the nice way to say that. So why don't you all be accurate with the people who post on this board instead of making up bullshit new ways to say "deleting." -
"I could have posted links for the PS crime wave last fall, or the credit card fraud, or the man love at the NYSC. I chose not to do that because I didn't want to color the OP's perspective."
If that's not a moderator pushing agenda and deleting other people's opinions, I don't know what is. -
You're incorrect. No posts are deleted. They are moved offsite, and can be moved back if the decision was inappropriate, which so far no one agrees with you about.
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Then you should say "offsite" whatever the hell that means when you PM someone. Else how would I know?
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Old Time Brooklyn wrote: Then you should say "offsite" whatever the hell that means when you PM someone. Else how would I know?
I agree with this. "Moved" would apply that the post is still available somewhere on-site online to the public. It was REMOVED from the publicly accessible online site, why not just say so? -
daver wrote: [quote=Old Time Brooklyn]Then you should say "offsite" whatever the hell that means when you PM someone. Else how would I know?
I agree with this. "Moved" would apply that the post is still available somewhere on-site online to the public. It was REMOVED from the publicly accessible online site, why not just say so?
Usually "moved offsite" is exactly the language that moderators use. If homeowner neglected to do that, I'm sure it was an oversight. -
If you want the posting to be so efficient on the site, you can't make that kind of mistake when PMing a poster.
Also, why isn't this post removed?King without a crown wrote: This Topic has been discussed many times on here and I personally don't have the desire nor the stamina for a neverending discussion. Lets talk about Muggings or something.
What's the difference between that derailing of the thread about parking and my post? -
there's the misconception at the root of your annoyance, perhaps:
this isn't a job. we do this for free and in spare moments because we like the site and don't want it to devolve into the petty nastiness that characterizes so much of this great, wide interweb.
we all have actual jobs, too, and sadly, we have to do them from time to time.
the best approach to a specific problem with a mod (as opposed to a general policy question) is to pm an admin. see the stickied thread on this board titled something like "what if i think a mod has acted unfairly?"
since in your particular case, you've corresponded with multiple mods and been unhappy with their responses, contacting an admin makes sense, unless your intent is really just to rally support for your indignation. -
Sweet tea was responding to a post by OTB that was moved offsite because of a personal attack.
The relevant part of the post (minus that attack):Old Time Brooklyn wrote: So the moderators PM me and say "If you have a problem, ask it in Ask Brooklynian forum."
And then they don't respond. -
sweet tea wrote:
But you did volunteer. And if your time allows you to only act accordingly some of the time maybe you should think about that and factor that into your removal of posts. Because when you're not consistent, you just invite criticism, which none of you seem to like. So maybe you should stop removing posts for reasons that are hardly relevant because the next time a similar post pops up and you're not around to remove it, you risk pissing people off and just make yourselves look capricious. And law-makers can't be capricious.
this isn't a job. we do this for free and in spare moments because we like the site and don't want it to devolve into the petty nastiness that characterizes so much of this great, wide interweb.
we all have actual jobs, too, and sadly, we have to do them from time to time. -
Old Time Brooklyn wrote: But you did volunteer. And if your time allows you to only act accordingly some of the time maybe you should think about that and factor that into your removal of posts. Because when you're not consistent, you just invite criticism, which none of you seem to like. So maybe you should stop removing posts for reasons that are hardly relevant because the next time a similar post pops up and you're not around to remove it, you risk pissing people off and just make yourselves look capricious. And law-makers can't be capricious.
We call 'em how we see 'em. If you ever feel a specific decision was unfair, the review process has been explained to you in detail multiple times. -
Well, you call 'em pretty lousy. And it's too late once you remove a post. I gotta go run to some higher power? Just stop removing posts unless there's a good reason. You can't control conversation. That's the problem with message board moderators. You don't treat the boards as conversation. You have to put everything in its right place and it just destroys what should be the organic nature of a discussion. Typical mistake by people on message board mods. But you should be better than that.
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Old Time Brooklyn wrote: Well, you call 'em pretty lousy. And it's too late once you remove a post. I gotta go run to some higher power? Just stop removing posts unless there's a good reason. You can't control conversation. That's the problem with message board moderators. You don't treat the boards as conversation. You have to put everything in its right place and it just destroys what should be the organic nature of a discussion. Typical mistake by people on message board mods. But you should be better than that.
Sounds like this isn't the first time you've had a problem like this on a message board. We disagree with you about our calls and have explained the appeals process to you. Multiple moderators have discussed it with you, yet while you've failed to contact an admin, you keep griping about it on the boards themselves. This is kind of trollish behavior. And now you reveal that it isn't just Brooklynian, but message board moderators in general that are the problem... -
It's an issue on all boards. Some handle it well, some don't. This is probably one of the worst cases.
I was told to discuss this issue here but now you're calling me a troll? When does it end? -
Old Time Brooklyn wrote: It's an issue on all boards. Some handle it well, some don't. This is probably one of the worst cases.
Dude, you were told to DISCUSS the situation here. You were not told to whine and bitch and stomp your little feeties until the Mods magically said "you're right, let's give you the thread back, and hey, we'll also give you a pony."
I was told to discuss this issue here but now you're calling me a troll? When does it end?
Someone had a problem with your post, they reported it, and the mods did something. No one had a problem with the other post, no one reported it, it stayed. It's as simple as that.
You broke a rule and you were handled accordingly. Either put on your big-boy panties and deal with it, or make your own board where you get to call all the shots and you can do whatever you want.
public apology to mods: I freely accept whatever kind of judgement you wish to levy upon me for losing it like that, but I couldn't stop myself because JESUS this kind of entitlement whining pisses me right the hell off. -
I expect that post to be deleted since it's a personal attack.
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Old Time Brooklyn wrote: I expect that post to be deleted since it's a personal attack.
Honestly? If you send a mod a PM and ask them to delete it, I would be ESTATIC. Because that's the way it's SUPPOSED to work - you send a mod a private message to complain. And that would show that you actually LISTENED finally.
If you do that, I promise to you, I will post an apology to you in public. Honest to God. -
I love it when people complain about a free service. You didn't pay to get on this message board, if you don't like the rules leave. Easy as that.
If you stick around here long enough and be nice you'll find that there's a method to all this, and yes sometimes life is unfair
so sad
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queencallipygos wrote:
Man, Brooklyn is really toast. PM to complain? You mean like snitch? What Brooklyn has always stood for is getting stepped on by a new breed of weak sauce whiners.
Because that's the way it's SUPPOSED to work - you send a mod a private message to complain. -
Mamacita wrote: I love it when people complain about a free service. You didn't pay to get on this message board, if you don't like the rules leave. Easy as that.
Yes, life is unfair. I learned that at 7 years old when my mother got run over by a bus but that really has nothing to do with questioning moderator tactics so I don't see the relevance.
If you stick around here long enough and be nice you'll find that there's a method to all this, and yes sometimes life is unfair
so sad
And if there are ads on a site, it's technically not a free service. Me being here elevates revenue. But again, that's a ridiculous argument.
We're having a discussion on moderation. Bringing up this other stuff is just piling on and --- again --- should really be removed from the thread. But I guess your posts are pro-moderator and since the moderators on this site can't be objective, the double standard will continue on and on and on. -
It's funny that this all started because I thought homeowner was being negative by posting about all that Park Slope parents and kids bullshit. If he would have took that post like a man (or woman) instead of deleting it, this would never have happened.
Maybe that's it: moderators need a thicker skin.
Or if he just let the thread play out naturally instead of cutting it off for fear of derailment this wouldn't have happened.
Take your choice. -
Of course, it's everyone except you... All over the Internets! :roll:
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Old Time Brooklyn wrote: [quote=queencallipygos]
Man, Brooklyn is really toast. PM to complain? You mean like snitch? What Brooklyn has always stood for is getting stepped on by a new breed of weak sauce whiners.
Because that's the way it's SUPPOSED to work - you send a mod a private message to complain.
That's how the mods have explained to you it works here. If you're too much of a putz to deal with it, too bad.[/i] -
queencallipygos, while I can understand how annoying this all is for others to read, and while I appreciate the defense of the moderators and admins, please stop responding with personal attacks and slurs.
And Old Time Brooklyn, you've been asked by the site owner to let this drop. Please do. -
Again, why aren't her posts being moved "off site" if that's what you do with personal attacks?
I suppose it's exactly as you say, that the post is in "defense of the moderators and admins."
This is what is getting you into trouble, this complete lack of consistency.
The site owner PMd me and asked me to respond to him which I did. I'm still responding here because the conversation is still relevant and I have not received a response back from him. -
Old Time Brooklyn wrote: Again, why aren't her posts being moved "off site" if that's what you do with personal attacks?
Sometimes we do ask people to lay off in the thread rather than moving an entire post.
I suppose it's exactly as you say, that the post is in "defense of the moderators and admins."
This is what is getting you into trouble, this complete lack of consistency.
The site owner PMd me and asked me to respond to him which I did. I'm still responding here because the conversation is still relevant and I have not received a response back from him.
The site owner, like all of us, is not surgically attached to a computer 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. I know that as recently as 9:30 last night he hadn't heard back from you -- he probably just hasn't checked email since you last wrote him back. Since he's discussing this with you now, I'm going to let him handle your concerns, but please give him a little time to get back to you. -
"Sometimes we..."
Here's a thought: do the same thing all the time, whatever it is. Then you don't have a problem and nothing is hazy, it's crystal clear.
People respect discipline when it's consistent. When it's not, they don't respect it and are confused. It's simple psychology.
You know what also works in an authority figure: grace. Through all this homeowner never came into this thread and said, You know what, my bad, I should have been more clear about where I moved the post and it was my mistake. That would've helped too. -
apollonia666 wrote: queencallipygos, while I can understand how annoying this all is for others to read, and while I appreciate the defense of the moderators and admins, please stop responding with personal attacks and slurs.
Will do.
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