Strollers!
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GOD wrote: [quote=daver]
That and bikes. I think.
I think they gave up and lifted the ban years ago.
Bicycle instructions:
http://www.mta.info/nyct/safety/bike/index.html
Strollers:
With Baby Strollers
Fold strollers so that you can carry infants on stairs or escalators. Strap your child in snugly at all other times.
When you're on the platform, keep the stroller away from the edge and apply the stroller brake. That's because platforms tilt toward the tracks to allow for drainage, and the stroller could roll onto the tracks.
Never place a stroller between closing subway car doors. Watch out for the gap between the platforms edge and train when you board. (That's always a good idea, even when you're traveling alone.) And it's better if you board in the center of the train. The conductor is usually there, making it easier to get attention in case of problem. -
Raw,
I suggest O'Connors on 5th.
That's where I go when I want to get away from my kids.
I've never seen any children in the place.
Enjoy it now, once the arena opens, one of the best old time bars in Brooklyn will be history. What, with all those flat screen televisions showing the Yankees and the Mets, and the drunken pre & post game crowds, you'll be wishing for the good old days when you only had to deal with real children. -
For me it's not some much the number of strollers, or even the kids (although there are a fair number of unattentive parents who allow heir kids to be really annoying), but the SIZE of the strollers. Do kids really need to travel in these huge things, some of which seem to have bigger and better tires than my bike. Will little 2 year old Tiffany really know the difference between the sweet ride of a monster stroller and the slightly bumpier ride of one of those small, lightweight, easily folded up and doesn't take up much space umbrella strollers? I know every parent wants to provide the very best they can for their kids but come on. I'm guessing that when you were small you didn't have a cushy monster strolller, and you turned out pretty good didn't you?
A lesser pieve I have is parents who insist on letting little Tiffany go up, or down, the subway stairs one slow step at a time, when there are a slew of people behind you trying to get on with their lives. While I applaud little Tiffany for her desire to break free from the confines of the monster stroller, I think the parent has to take a little initiative and pick her up and carry her up or down the stairs, even if, god forbid, she starts to cry. She'll get over it. Now I understand that it's not always possible to pick Tiffany up, your probably carrying shopping bags or the monster stroller or something, in which case wait untill the crowd passes. Then little Tiffany can take all day to navigate the stairs...and it won't bother anybody.
I know it's selfish of me (not to mention the fact I'll probably get crucified by every parent on this board) , but I just find it really annoying. -
If you want to talk about annoying behavior on the subways and at the station, that's nothing.
What's really bad are the adults who insist on getting into a car as quickly as possible without waiting for people to get out. Also, what's with the crowd of people bum rushing the stairs? On many occasions, I've been unable to get either down the stairs into a station because a crowd getting off the last train are taking of the entire staircase as they're going up.
I've never EVER seen people behave this way in other cities that use subways. I mean, I understand it's New York and there are a shit load of people here, but still. -
LittleRedMenace wrote: If you want to talk about annoying behavior on the subways and at the station, that's nothing.
welcome to the future of america where our popluations would be closer to third worlds. this would be a preview.
What's really bad are the adults who insist on getting into a car as quickly as possible without waiting for people to get out. Also, what's with the crowd of people bum rushing the stairs? On many occasions, I've been unable to get either down the stairs into a station because a crowd getting off the last train are taking of the entire staircase as they're going up.
I've never EVER seen people behave this way in other cities that use subways. I mean, I understand it's New York and there are a shit load of people here, but still. -
pima wrote: Raw,
I was there on a recent Sunday afternoon and a guy was watching a game with his son (maybe 10-ish) at the bar. The bartender knew both the dad and kid by name, so the pair must be regulars.
I suggest O'Connors on 5th.
That's where I go when I want to get away from my kids.
I've never seen any children in the place.
Enjoy it now, once the arena opens, one of the best old time bars in Brooklyn will be history. What, with all those flat screen televisions showing the Yankees and the Mets, and the drunken pre & post game crowds, you'll be wishing for the good old days when you only had to deal with real children. -
Subject: stroll
My parents used to take us to Mooney´s they would have a drink and we would drink coke.. -
Subject: Re: stroll
sneakyonstmarks wrote: My parents used to take us to Mooney´s they would have a drink and we would drink coke..
Mine was Monteros and it was a shirley temple
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When I was a kid, my Dad might have taken me to a bar a few times to see a Ranger game that wasn't on regular TV (this was before we had cable in Brooklyn). But I was a teenager already, not a toddler, and it wasn't a regular thing.
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Dr F wrote: For me it's not some much the number of strollers, or even the kids (although there are a fair number of unattentive parents who allow heir kids to be really annoying), but the SIZE of the strollers. Do kids really need to travel in these huge things, some of which seem to have bigger and better tires than my bike. Will little 2 year old Tiffany really know the difference between the sweet ride of a monster stroller and the slightly bumpier ride of one of those small, lightweight, easily folded up and doesn't take up much space umbrella strollers? I know every parent wants to provide the very best they can for their kids but come on. I'm guessing that when you were small you didn't have a cushy monster strolller, and you turned out pretty good didn't you?
Have you seen the sidewalks in this area? They're like broken jagged mountain ranges. An umbrella stroller doesn't stand a chance against such terrain.Dr F wrote:
If it wasn't a kid trying to navigate the stairs but someone with Cerebral palsy, would you think the same thing?
A lesser pieve I have is parents who insist on letting little Tiffany go up, or down, the subway stairs one slow step at a time, when there are a slew of people behind you trying to get on with their lives. While I applaud little Tiffany for her desire to break free from the confines of the monster stroller, I think the parent has to take a little initiative and pick her up and carry her up or down the stairs, even if, god forbid, she starts to cry. She'll get over it. Now I understand that it's not always possible to pick Tiffany up, your probably carrying shopping bags or the monster stroller or something, in which case wait untill the crowd passes. Then little Tiffany can take all day to navigate the stairs...and it won't bother anybody. -
Dr F wrote: For me it's not some much the number of strollers, or even the kids (although there are a fair number of unattentive parents who allow heir kids to be really annoying), but the SIZE of the strollers. Do kids really need to travel in these huge things, some of which seem to have bigger and better tires than my bike.
Large swivel wheels and suspension make for much better manoeuvrability and greater speed on rough terrain. No one short of a jogger overtakes or has to yield for me when I'm out driving the stroller at pace, though I do sometimes clip regular pedestrians ankles from behind or give them a fright cutting a foot in front of them with a pair of quick right-angled turns. Dawdlers beware. -
doctorj wrote: Large swivel wheels and suspension make for much better manoeuvrability and greater speed on rough terrain. No one short of a jogger overtakes or has to yield for me when I'm out driving the stroller at pace, though I do sometimes clip regular pedestrians ankles from behind or give them a fright cutting a foot in front of them with a pair of quick right-angled turns. Dawdlers beware.
Did you decide on knobbies for better traction or high-speed slicks? Or possibly a solid center line, inverted tread compromise?
I don't have any kids, but bigger tires do make sense with these sidewalks - try strapping on a pair of inline skates if you have any doubts. -
Dr F wrote:
If it wasn't a kid trying to navigate the stairs but someone with Cerebral palsy, would you think the same thing?
A lesser pieve I have is parents who insist on letting little Tiffany go up, or down, the subway stairs one slow step at a time, when there are a slew of people behind you trying to get on with their lives. While I applaud little Tiffany for her desire to break free from the confines of the monster stroller, I think the parent has to take a little initiative and pick her up and carry her up or down the stairs, even if, god forbid, she starts to cry. She'll get over it. Now I understand that it's not always possible to pick Tiffany up, your probably carrying shopping bags or the monster stroller or something, in which case wait untill the crowd passes. Then little Tiffany can take all day to navigate the stairs...and it won't bother anybody.
No, because the person with CP can't do anything about that. The parent CAN 1) wait for the crowd to pass. Then little Tiffany can take her time. 2) pick the kid up and walk down the stairs so that the rest of us can get to work in a reasonable time. I'm all for kids being independent, but I'm all for teaching kids to recognize that the world doesn't revolve around them, and helping them to develop a sense of consideration for other people. There's a time and a place for letting kids dawdle, and it's not during rush hour when there are people hurrying to the train. -
As an independent person a kid can't do anything about how slow they walk either.
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Dr F wrote: For me it's not some much the number of strollers, or even the kids (although there are a fair number of unattentive parents who allow heir kids to be really annoying), but the SIZE of the strollers.
for me, it's the size of some of the kids IN the strollers. I've seen some kids riding along in strollers that look like they're about five years old already.
Honestly, there is a point at which you need to put the stroller away and encourage the kid to walk his own damn self. -
When I win the lottery, I'm getting a tricked out stroller and hiring someone to push ME around in it.
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My SO keeps telling me he wants an adult-sized stroller with a cupholder so I can push him around.
I told him they make those already...they're called wheelchairs 8) -
queencallipygos wrote: [quote=Dr F]For me it's not some much the number of strollers, or even the kids (although there are a fair number of unattentive parents who allow heir kids to be really annoying), but the SIZE of the strollers.
for me, it's the size of some of the kids IN the strollers. I've seen some kids riding along in strollers that look like they're about five years old already.
Honestly, there is a point at which you need to put the stroller away and encourage the kid to walk his own damn self.
You don't have children obviously. Kids tend to tire at a much faster rate then adults. And some kids walk earlier then others. How is this a problem for you? What do you care if the kids too big? Maybe he or she is not able to walk because they have a physical problem? Try taking a child up and down the slope without a stroller a day and see what happens. I guarantee you'll be caring them at some point.
So, Lets keep this lame ass Circle Jerk post going. I'm sure there's a little bit more to beat it to death with. -
Dude, I TRIED to change the subject to just rude people on the subway in general, but no dice.
That being said, I have no problems with strollers and didn't mean to indicate as such in my subway post. I do worry about obstructions on the subways in case of emergency (strollers, bikes, whatever), but I also understand that it's necessary for people to take them on the subway.
The more adults I meet, the more I realize that kids are much more pleasant. -
I just bought maybe my sixth (and hopefully last) stroller. None of my strollers could be considered "monster" strollers. My wife was extremely disappointed this last one was not a monster stroller, but I told her we were putting the extra $575 cost differential towards college expenses.
She became wickedly jealous at the sight of the first monster stroller to appear on Vanderbilt about three years ago, right after the Duane Reade opened ("if this neighborhood is good enough for DR, it's good enough for us" she said).
We have an extremely small umbrella stroller we bought on one of our trips to Japan. You should see the looks we get from parents with their monster strollers when they see our pathetic little folding umbrella stroller zipping down the sidewalk. Forget the English phrases printed on the seat that make absolutely no sense. My God, you can even exit the subway at one of those revolving turnstiles - how embarrassing!
Once you realize that the monster stroller is not just to cushion little Tiffany's sweet tush as she cruises down the sidewalk, but is a status symbol used to define the parent's very humanity, it all begins to make more sense. If you really want to see something hilarious, go to Buy Buy Baby in Chelsea some Saturday morning and watch the parents gather around as the "monster stroller specialist" explains the 25 different variations of the Bugaboo stroller. It's like going to church, but it's over in 15 minutes. -
It's not just a status symbol thing. Most people also seem to use the SUV strollers as a granny cart they can stash their kid in. They seem to use it to stow all kinds of shit that they don't feel like carrying.
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Carnivore wrote: It's not just a status symbol thing. Most people also seem to use the SUV strollers as a granny cart they can stash their kid in. They seem to use it to stow all kinds of shit that they don't feel like carrying.
stow... or shoplift?!?? :twisted: -
pima wrote: If you really want to see something hilarious, go to Buy Buy Baby in Chelsea some Saturday morning and watch the parents gather around as the "monster stroller specialist" explains the 25 different variations of the Bugaboo stroller. It's like going to church, but it's over in 15 minutes.
I've seen that! It could be a reality show in it self. The "Hummer" of the stroller crowd. I love at the end of the presentation they hand out cups of Cool Aid and everyone drinks it willingly. Man I hate organized religions.
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GOD wrote: [quote=queencallipygos][quote=Dr F]For me it's not some much the number of strollers, or even the kids (although there are a fair number of unattentive parents who allow heir kids to be really annoying), but the SIZE of the strollers.
for me, it's the size of some of the kids IN the strollers. I've seen some kids riding along in strollers that look like they're about five years old already.
Honestly, there is a point at which you need to put the stroller away and encourage the kid to walk his own damn self.
You don't have children obviously. Kids tend to tire at a much faster rate then adults. And some kids walk earlier then others. How is this a problem for you? What do you care if the kids too big? Maybe he or she is not able to walk because they have a physical problem? Try taking a child up and down the slope without a stroller a day and see what happens. I guarantee you'll be caring them at some point.
...I was a child at one point, you know. And presumably I also "tired easy". But my mother stopped using a stroller with me when I was three, and both she and I did okay without one. We just got around a little more slowly.
Besides, continuing to buy a bigger and bigger stroller just because a child "tires more easily" just keeps your child from actually getting used to walking -- which would get them to tire LESS easily, wouldn't it?
Of COURSE I'm not saying to ditch the stroller if the kid has a physical problem. But judging by the number of strollers-with-five-year-olds I see, either we have a HUGE epidemic of childhood paralysis in this country, or we have a huge epidemic of coddling parents. I know which one I consider more likely, at least.
....and coddled kids stand a greater chance of growing up to be adults who stand in the door on subways. (There, tying two threads together.) -
My kids got the boot out of the stroller for the daily commute at 2. So yes, that also makes us the people being slow on the stairs, so feel free to keep complaining about that one -- although there's no stroller involved. Unless I'm going on a mile-plus walk or a day at a museum, they walk (and run, and skip, and doubtless annoy people in other ways). Four-year-olds stuffed into a Maclaren on the subway just make me ask Why? WHY? Because unless the answer is, they have MS and can't walk, I think kids should be using their legs.
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Subject: Re: Strollers!
sneakyonstmarks wrote: As many that read this blog and many other including Eater.com might know that there is a big controversy in The slope over establishments banning Strollers. As a parent myself and some one that works in the restaurant business i have to agree to owners of bar and restaurants banning strollers. Not only do they take a huge a mount of space but they make people uneasy of going in and being a patron. God ,how many times have i gone in to the Tea Lounge and found a play ground, not only it is hard to walk around but try sitting getting a seat. Soda has the same problem, bunch of parents with their pimped out strollers hanging out in the back crowding the room, shit i am trying to have a beer and now i am surrounded by 30 mothers drinking cranberry and soda and their kids wailing away, i am not saying that it is wrong to take your kid out for a beer, i take mine but i never take a stroller, i never let her run around as if it were a playground, for that we have Prospect Park and the Library. But then again its up to an individual owner to make up their own mind. But i did get tired of going to Union Hall on Sunday afternoon and finding myself in the middle of a Stroller parking lot. I say bring your kids to the bar but at least do other patrons and establishments a favor, leave your strollers outside !!
Interesting conversation but unless there is actually a ban, nothing will change.
You are looking at a bunch of, for the most part, sad, self absorbed narcissistic mothers who have a sad sense of entitlement. Most are at an age where realty sets in. The sad realization that things have not turned out as they wished. Their marriage, their careers, their lives.
They are often alienated and frustrated and they are mad as hell. If they can piss you off, all the better. -
Subject: Re: Strollers!
brooklynboy3 wrote:
Sounds like you need to get to know some mothers. What would yours say about the above?
You are looking at a bunch of, for the most part, sad, self absorbed narcissistic mothers who have a sad sense of entitlement. Most are at an age where realty sets in. The sad realization that things have not turned out as they wished. Their marriage, their careers, their lives.
They are often alienated and frustrated and they are mad as hell. If they can piss you off, all the better. -
Subject: Re: Strollers!
doctorj wrote: [quote=brooklynboy3]
Sounds like you need to get to know some mothers. What would yours say about the above?
You are looking at a bunch of, for the most part, sad, self absorbed narcissistic mothers who have a sad sense of entitlement. Most are at an age where realty sets in. The sad realization that things have not turned out as they wished. Their marriage, their careers, their lives.
They are often alienated and frustrated and they are mad as hell. If they can piss you off, all the better.
Fair question. I believe that my mothers' behavior on her worst day is better than many today on their best. I just wrote an 80 page article on people skills. They are far and few between these days.
I am, to a great degree, stuck on the arrogance and the sense of entitlement I see. In their expression, in their stance, in their "just walk around me because I am not moving" attitude. Having children is very hard. I have three. It is VERY difficult but if you are angry and overwhelmed, that is your problem and not mine. I will help you if you need it but I will not put up with rudeness. -
rude people on the subway:
the woman who starts preaching in the first car of the 4 train at 9 a.m. thankfully, this morning, she started well before nevins so I just had to hear her rant about people who attacked her about her preaching and not jesus. I got to skip the part about how awesome jesus is. phew. -
queencallipygos wrote: ....and coddled kids stand a greater chance of growing up to be adults who stand in the door on subways.
Wow! Where can I get a crystal ball to look into the future to see what everyone will grow up to be? There are rude stroller people and none rude stroller people. Just like there are rude none parents and good none parents. Once again I ask...
How does this REALLY effect you? Do you loose sleep at night? Oh NO!
5 years olds in baby strollers! Get away from me! Help! Help!
On a different note: Talk about A-holes on the subway who never give up a sit for a old person, small child or pregnant woman. Most of them must of been coddled stroller babies till they where 12. Right? What does the Crystal ball say?
The Circle Jerk continues!
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