Mugging Map

arches · February 2008

Because they're at Union and Henry in Carroll Gdns. What about the 78th at Bergen and 6th?

ah, right - 78th - that's what i meant to ask.

paraderest · February 2008

Still...Highly unlikely.

kgirl · February 2008

Mr Tips - can you post this map over in the Fort Greene/Clinton Hill board? I would love to see where the pings are there, too

rcates · February 2008

Just added my room mates mugging to the map.

arches · February 2008

Our mugging map just got a broader audience at Brownstoner:

http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/2008/02/pin_em_down_bro.php

Not surprisingly, some commenters there have misunderstood the purpose - my favorite being those who proclaim 4th ave as a safe haven, due to the relative lack of incident pins (bit far for Prospect Heights vicinity, no?).

pitu · February 2008

Hey Matt, you might want to be asking people for DETAILS instead of corroboration. When people are posting first person accounts, there is probably not a link to a newspaper, or even a link back to this site if they didn't chose to start a whole thread about their incident.

Guru: Do you have any corroboration or an exact date for this incident? Matt

NOTE: This is a COLLABORATIVE PROJECT, which means anyone can work on it.
If you read about something, copy the link and put it on the map!
If you or someone you know is involved in a mugging, put in the details of time and place and weapon. If you have trouble with GoogleMap, post details on this thread and ask someone to help you post.

matt foley · February 2008

Yeah, details are definitely fine if it's a first-person account, but Guru's post didn't have a date, a description, or a link, so I changed it to a question mark to flag it and asked for more info.

brewpez · February 2008

Great idea but it is really incomplete. Is there any way to cross reference it with police records ?

bassplaya · March 2008

I haven't read the entire thread some excuse me if this has been covered before...

I think it would be a good idea to note the race of the victim and that of the perpetrator.

Anyone agree?

mr. met · March 2008

for what purpose? i can see how that might be relevant for police statistics, but not for people on this board.

arches · April 2008

Looks like someone wiped out the instructions and the crime color "key"...anyone know if there's a way to get that back?

Also, anyone know more about the robbery at gunpoint on Sterling 4/7...sounds pretty aggressive (supposedly took keys and all). Time of day?

pitu · April 2008

arches wrote: Looks like someone wiped out the instructions and the crime color "key"...anyone know if there's a way to get that back?

Eeek, the downside of open collaboration: subject to human error in a big way. How do we get to a cached copy?

Anybody a googlemaps super user?

meredithb · April 2008

And this map is useful how exactly?

(except of course you all improving your Google Maps skills).

Is one supposed to avoid these areas? Be on the lookout?

The best place to post this would be in the police precincts. Perhaps the cops would get a clue? Doubtful.

pitu · April 2008

arches sorted out the key (yeah arches!) which I will memorial here.

Mugging Map
To add a crime, click "edit," right click on the map, click "add a placemark," and fill in the relevant information. Please DO NOT edit the title and description on the left-hand frame of the page.

Additions with minimal information are designated by a question mark on the map.

Red (with dot): Murder
Red (no dot): Shooting
Blue: Assault and/or Mugging
Purple: Store Robbery
Yellow: Sexual Assault
Green: Quality of Life
Policeman: Police Precinct
Use the marker with a dot for any crime where a gun was used.

As for the usefulness, MeredithB, read the thread and decide for yourself if it interests you. It's been discussed.
Some folks like to keep track here, and pin the threads to a location on the map. It would be great if the NYPD saw fit to publish their crime blotter info in this fashion online, but they don't. They've had requests from websites, and other city's police depts do it...
Anyway, this info is gleaned from first person stories here, along with published accounts from the papers, and the Gothamist blotter map.

raw · April 2008

BassPlaya wrote: I haven't read the entire thread some excuse me if this has been covered before...

I think it would be a good idea to note the race of the victim and that of the perpetrator.

Anyone agree?

What do you put down for half-Japanese, one quarter Nigerian, one quarter Jewish Korean?

iwantmyipodback · April 2008

We should start posting what time these events happen.

madman · April 2008

raw wrote: [quote=BassPlaya]I haven't read the entire thread some excuse me if this has been covered before...

I think it would be a good idea to note the race of the victim and that of the perpetrator.

Anyone agree?

What do you put down for half-Japanese, one quarter Nigerian, one quarter Jewish Korean?

umm "attractive"?

underhill_mt · April 2008

madman wrote: [quote=raw][quote=BassPlaya]I haven't read the entire thread some excuse me if this has been covered before...

I think it would be a good idea to note the race of the victim and that of the perpetrator.

Anyone agree?

What do you put down for half-Japanese, one quarter Nigerian, one quarter Jewish Korean?

umm "attractive"?

Word! I was thinking the same thing.

bassplaya · May 2008

raw wrote: [quote=BassPlaya]I haven't read the entire thread some excuse me if this has been covered before...

I think it would be a good idea to note the race of the victim and that of the perpetrator.

Anyone agree?

What do you put down for half-Japanese, one quarter Nigerian, one quarter Jewish Korean?

Japafrokean?

On a more serious note, one knows what culture they identify with and they also know what they perceive the other persons culture to be.

cjp42 · August 2008

just me or are all the pins in the wrong place? i've got a mugging in front of my house that says "BAG SNATCHED ON SIXTH AVENUE"

--not even close

arches · August 2008

cjp42 wrote: just me or are all the pins in the wrong place? i've got a mugging in front of my house that says "BAG SNATCHED ON SIXTH AVENUE"

--not even close

I don't think _all_ the pins are in the wrong place, but it looks like the map has become the subject of some "vandalism" someone spelled out "useless" in pins around fort green...clever!! :roll:

Also, someone did a bunch of entries on july 22nd, but neglected to put the pins in the right location (all clustered around 6th ave in PS).

There may be other errors, i haven't looked at the map much since the mugging "wave" of late 07/early 08.

It's collaborative - feel free to relocate the pins to their proper place.

cjp42 · August 2008

whoa arches, somebody mugged the mugging map...

possibly_maybe · August 2008

Slightly on-topic:

Anyone happen to know if those retractable batons are legal here in NY? I won't let myself become a victim without at least putting up a fight (unless, of course, there's a gun and/or more than 3 people involved), but wouldn't want to find myself in prison because I defended myself with a possibly-illegal weapon...

arches · August 2008

Batons are illegal in NY. Pepper spray is the only legal self-defense device.

<edit> Not sure about those little eye-gouger things, or the mini fixed length batons, but an ASP/extendable baton is def. illegal. All seems pretty arbitrary to me. Baton is illegal, baseball bats are legal. Maybe it has something to do with concealed vs unconcealed.

possibly_maybe · August 2008

Wow, and here I was thinking pepper spray was illegal in NY.

Thanks for clearing that up. In a way, I bet pepper spray is a more effective way to get out of a mugging safely, anyway...

arches · August 2008

check this thread for a list of authorized pepper spray dealers around here:

http://www.brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=420245&highlight=&sid=a3cfe4dd387c49d8c5e16ffc01c2f7b9

possibly_maybe · August 2008

Wow, thanks a TON. You just answered my next question, and it's nice to know there's a place so close to home to pick some up.

deathscythe257 · August 2008

arches wrote: Batons are illegal in NY. Pepper spray is the only legal self-defense device.

<edit> Not sure about those little eye-gouger things, or the mini fixed length batons, but an ASP/extendable baton is def. illegal. All seems pretty arbitrary to me. Baton is illegal, baseball bats are legal. Maybe it has something to do with concealed vs unconcealed.

i'm not so sure about this, i just looked at the penal code § 265 and i didn't see anything about batons, retractable or otherwise. why do you think they're illegal?

arches · August 2008

I think they classify batons under "billy" in section 265.

Later, there's a carveout as follows:

Section 265.01 shall not apply to possession of that type of billy commonly known as a "police baton" which is twenty-four to twenty-six inches in length and no more than one and one-quarter inches in thickness by members of an auxiliary police force of a city with a population in excess of one million persons or the county of Suffolk when duly authorized by regulation or order issued by the police commissioner of such city or such county respectively.

That's clearly for a fixed baton - like a nightstick, but they seem to lump stick-like things used to beat people under the billy designation. You are correct that there's no _specific_ mention of retractable batons. Vendors of self defense gear won't ship ASP batons to NY addresses, and I think at least one of our police officer posters has said they are illegal in NY.

deathscythe257 · August 2008

I saw that carveout at 265.20, but there was no definition for a billy under 265.0

they clearly define all of the other weapons mentioned in the chapter, but do not have a definition for billy. arguably, i think a billy and a baton are two different things, but it's possible that they intended it as you said. However, it would make all sorts of other things illegal as well, to claim that billy is a catch-all for sticks used to beat someone. For instance, there are numerous martial arts weapons that I know are not illegal as their use is taught in classes in the city.

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