SPLIT TOPIC: Kids in restaurants redux
Carnivore wrote: [quote=meganlibrarian]My husband and I eat there during the week at "old people time" (aka getting there by about 6:15-6:30 PM), and have almost never waited. Just make sure that there's no big BAM event (like Paul Simon) that night, or you'll wait forever like we did a few weeks ago.The only problem with "old man time" is that in our neighborhood, that's also "precocious kid time."
Of course, now that we have a 2-month old daughter at home and no local family... our Franny's days are probably over. Alas.
I never noticed that too much at Franny's, as my husband and I were always sat at the 2-top tables and the noise level has typically been loud enough to drown out kid noises.
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Mrs. Sterling2000 used to work w/ Franny in a former life, and since Franny and her husband have kids we've always found our kids to be welcome at the eatery. That being said, parents should be smart and respectful and eat during the earlier hours when the place is less likely to be packed.
A couple years ago we were eating there on the early side of the evening and famed kids-rocker Dan Zanes was eating at the table next to us and my kid just about lost his mind over his brush with tot-celebrity... -
Those fuckin' kids. Keep them locked up indoors.
Y'all will never stop beating that drum. What sad lives you have. -
those fuckin' kids. Keep them locked up indoors.
you're kidding, right?
Y'all will never stop beating that drum. What sad lives you have.tot-celeb? I need a new job.
very funny! Zanes is a founding member of Del Fuegos. His kid-centric stuff that he (mostly) does now is great, a fun time. -
Old Time...you're referring to this, right?
The only problem with "old man time" is that in our neighborhood, that's also "precocious kid time."
if so, then i concur. -
To clarify: anyone who whines about kids being in restaurants (or wherever else in this neighborhood) sucks and I feel bad for what a sad sad existence they have. That's my stance.
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Old Time Brooklyn wrote: To clarify: anyone who whines about kids being in restaurants (or wherever else in this neighborhood) sucks and I feel bad for what a sad sad existence they have. That's my stance.
I don't think anyone was "whining" about kids being in a restaurant. As I think most people here agree (including, if I recall correctly, yourself in another thread), the time to bring kids to a restaurant is on the early side. Later is "adult time." How is it "whining" to suggest that adults go eat during "adult time" and leave the kid time for the people with kids? But whatever, I'm sure your kids are wonderful and everyone would love to eat an expensive dinner sitting next to them. -
Thank you, Old Time Brooklyn.
My kids' schedule listed below, so the "adults" can make restaurant reservations accordingly. Use this as a template for a typical child:
6:30 pm - dinner
7:15 pm - bath
7:45 pm - reading time with dad
8:15 pm - bedtime
What do you "adult" people do when you have to fly on an airplane? -
meganlibrarian wrote:
Not necessarily. We've been dining out occasionally with our daughter. Easier at 4-5 months than 2 months. Not a problem. Though generally earlier than we used to.
Of course, now that we have a 2-month old daughter at home and no local family... our Franny's days are probably over. Alas.
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doctorj wrote: [quote=meganlibrarian]
Not necessarily. We've been dining out occasionally with our daughter. Easier at 4-5 months than 2 months. Not a problem. Though generally earlier than we used to.
Of course, now that we have a 2-month old daughter at home and no local family... our Franny's days are probably over. Alas.
Ironically, my husband and I took our 2-month old with us to Franny's last night! We got there at 5:30 and got seated outside right away. Our daughter slept the whole time, minus a few eye flutters when a toddler began screaming. -
Let me preface this by saying: I like kids when they behave in public and I've seen it before.
I think the point to be understood is that parents who have kids that start acting up in restaurants need to control them by either communicating this to them, if they are at an age where they understand this, or be prepared to leave the restaurant. My parents never took me to a restaurant before they knew I could be well behaved, and that is the disconnect with today's parents. The restaurant is not your private home and you need to respect the people around you.
This also applies to adults who are rude, ie those who chat on cell phones, etc. -
Let me preface this by saying: I never liked kids, no matter how they behaved in public.
But when out dining, they never bothered me, I just accepted them as part of the background I wasn't interested in, and screened them out. When you live tightly packed in the big city, it's amazing how much distraction your brain can invisiblize. So I don't get what all the fuss is about. Going forward, I expect to take all reasonable care to avoid my child annoying other patrons, but by the same token, I would expect the same tolerance from others that I always had without thinking about it. And as far back as I can remember, to the extent there were restaurants in those parts in those days and to the extent that my parents went to them, I came along. -
doctorj wrote: Let me preface this by saying: I never liked kids, no matter how they behaved in public.
hear hear. a crazed, screaming, marauding child is a problem: obvi. but for the most part, a well raised, well fed and cared for child is totally chill in an adult environment. I mean, heck, I still carry a book with me all the time - I know how to keep myself from getting cranky & bored! learned the technique eating out with my parents (or how to make puerto sagua fun for a 13 year old who gets bored after bread & garlic shrimp.)
But when out dining, they never bothered me, I just accepted them as part of the background I wasn't interested in, and screened them out. When you live tightly packed in the big city, it's amazing how much distraction your brain can invisiblize. So I don't get what all the fuss is about. Going forward, I expect to take all reasonable care to avoid my child annoying other patrons, but by the same token, I would expect the same tolerance from others that I always had without thinking about it. And as far back as I can remember, to the extent there were restaurants in those parts in those days and to the extent that my parents went to them, I came along. -
can't a guy start a thread whining about not getting into a local restaurant without it turning into another thread on kids in restaurants/bars on this place? jesus.
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I eat here pretty often for Lunch and most times it is with my son and my grandchild. This two year old does know how to behave in a restaurant. there is never a wait, the foog is lovely and the wait staff is efficient, couteous and charmed by the little guy. Try lunch here during the week if your time works out for it. It is a special experience and not invaded by manhattanites.
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I had dinner there last night and had a nice time. even the folks who came in with kids (and parked their kids at the bar which I thought was vaguely sketchy) were very nice and were all just waiting for outdoor seating or to-go orders.
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Carnivore wrote: I don't think anyone was "whining" about kids being in a restaurant. As I think most people here agree (including, if I recall correctly, yourself in another thread), the time to bring kids to a restaurant is on the early side. Later is "adult time." How is it "whining" to suggest that adults go eat during "adult time" and leave the kid time for the people with kids? But whatever, I'm sure your kids are wonderful and everyone would love to eat an expensive dinner sitting next to them.
Your reaction to old man time was that it was "precocious kid time" living up to your "Brooklyn Snark" title. While I suppose that's informative, it's just unnecessary and again and again you and others continue to rail on kids in restaurants and bars. Just move on. Or move away. Whatever one stops you from bringing up the same shit over and over again. It's so BORING. -
I agree with Old Time Brooklyn. It's boring and self-serving.
And I'll add—assuming that I have a child (it's not relevant for me to disclose this to a stranger on a message board) I will bring her/him to eat at anytime and anywhere that I choose to go. The kid gets whiny, acts up and disturbs other diners, then we will most likely go.
"Adult Time?" Does every halfway decent dining establishment get "blue" after 8 pm? Give me a break. -
Old Time Brooklyn wrote: Those fuckin' kids. Keep them locked up indoors.
Jiminy Cricket! _Who_ is beating that drum??? You and yer buddy "agitator" seem to be stirring that pot...
Y'all will never stop beating that drum. What sad lives you have. -
You and yer buddy "agitator" seem to be stirring that pot..
no daver, just clarifying the absurdity of the carnie's comments.
I'd love to never discuss it again. of course that's impossible. -
Fjord wrote:
I'm not sure I understand your position.You and yer buddy "agitator" seem to be stirring that pot..
no daver, just clarifying the absurdity of the carnie's comments.
I'd love to never discuss it again. of course that's impossible.
You seem to be saying that not only
1. There is no time and place that could conceivably be inappropriate for children.
but
2. Those without children have to want to spend a night out with other people's kids.
My original point was that if you dine early, you're likely to spend your meal with a lot of kids. Although the way I put it may have been snarky, is there anything inaccurate about what I said? Does it offend you that someone might not want to eat an expensive dinner surrounded by tots? My original comment was pertinent to that particular restaurant and was a response to the prior comment suggesting people go early. My comment wasn't what derailed that thread. -
perplexed wrote: Let me preface this by saying: I like kids when they behave in public and I've seen it before.
This thread is beating a dead horse, but I think the above post sums it up purrrrrfectly.
I think the point to be understood is that parents who have kids that start acting up in restaurants need to control them by either communicating this to them, if they are at an age where they understand this, or be prepared to leave the restaurant. My parents never took me to a restaurant before they knew I could be well behaved, and that is the disconnect with today's parents. The restaurant is not your private home and you need to respect the people around you.
This also applies to adults who are rude, ie those who chat on cell phones, etc. -
For the love of god, why are some parents constantly offended? Since when is the word precocious insulting to a child? Why aren't any old men complaining about "old man time"? No one was "whining" about kids in restaurants so please be offended about something someone actually said.
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Let's play the substitution game with Carnivore's post:
You seem to be saying that not only
1. There is no time and place that could conceivably be inappropriate for retards.
but
2. Those without retards have to want to spend a night out with other people's retards.
My original point was that if you dine early, you're likely to spend your meal with a lot of retards. Although the way I put it may have been snarky, is there anything inaccurate about what I said? Does it offend you that someone might not want to eat an expensive dinner surrounded by mongoloids? My original comment was pertinent to that particular restaurant and was a response to the prior comment suggesting people go early. My comment wasn't what derailed that thread. -
Or:
You seem to be saying that not only
1. There is no time and place that could conceivably be inappropriate for Persians.
but
2. Those without Persians have to want to spend a night out with other people's Persians.
My original point was that if you dine early, you're likely to spend your meal with a lot of Persians. Although the way I put it may have been snarky, is there anything inaccurate about what I said? Does it offend you that someone might not want to eat an expensive dinner surrounded by sand niggers? My original comment was pertinent to that particular restaurant and was a response to the prior comment suggesting people go early. My comment wasn't what derailed that thread. -
More:
You seem to be saying that not only
1. There is no time and place that could conceivably be inappropriate for pussy.
but
2. Those without pussy have to want to spend a night out with other people's pussy(OPP!).
My original point was that if you dine early, you're likely to spend your meal with a lot of pussies. Although the way I put it may have been snarky, is there anything inaccurate about what I said? Does it offend you that someone might not want to eat an expensive dinner surrounded by slits? My original comment was pertinent to that particular restaurant and was a response to the prior comment suggesting people go early. My comment wasn't what derailed that thread -
Old Time Brooklyn wrote: Let's play the substitution game with Carnivore's post:
Terrible comparison and I find your use of the word retard disgusting. Are you actually trying to say that there aren't more children at restaurants during the early evening hours? What is so offensive to you about someone preferring to eat at a later hour because that means there will be less children there?
You seem to be saying that not only
1. There is no time and place that could conceivably be inappropriate for retards.
but
2. Those without retards have to want to spend a night out with other people's retards.
My original point was that if you dine early, you're likely to spend your meal with a lot of retards. Although the way I put it may have been snarky, is there anything inaccurate about what I said? Does it offend you that someone might not want to eat an expensive dinner surrounded by mongoloids? My original comment was pertinent to that particular restaurant and was a response to the prior comment suggesting people go early. My comment wasn't what derailed that thread. -
OTB, you must be outraged that children aren't permitted to vote, drive a car, drink alcohol or see R-rated movies! That's discrimination! What if an ethnic group weren't permitted to do those things?
THE HORROR!
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Carnivore wrote: OTB, you must be outraged that children aren't permitted to vote, drive a car, drink alcohol or see R-rated movies! That's discrimination! What if an ethnic group weren't permitted to do those things?
FYI Carnie, there are PUBLIC PARKS in NYC that YOUR tax dollars are paying for, where adults NOT ALLOWED, unless accompanied by a child under the age of twelve.
THE HORROR!
We should riot.
Er, wait. New business idea. I'll rent you a kidlet, cheap! -
...Okay, I've read the entire thread here, and I am a bit confused what the fuss is about. For me, it boils down to this:
Carnivore: Kids tend to eat earlier.
Everyone else: HOW DARE YOU!
....Um, where was the offense in that? It was a statement of fact. To me, this is reading like:
Carnivore: Juniors' serves cheesecake.
Everyone else: HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT ABOUT JUNIOR'S! TAKE THAT BACK! -
Prejudice is prejudice. My substitute words just make it more obvious.
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