SPLIT TOPIC: Kids in restaurants redux
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queencallipygos wrote: Juniors' serves cheesecake.
Was this in reference to customers, or menu items?
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queencallipygos wrote: ...Okay, I've read the entire thread here, and I am a bit confused what the fuss is about. For me, it boils down to this:
Exactly, +1.
Carnivore: Kids tend to eat earlier.
Everyone else: HOW DARE YOU!
....Um, where was the offense in that? It was a statement of fact. To me, this is reading like:
Carnivore: Juniors' serves cheesecake.
Everyone else: HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT ABOUT JUNIOR'S! TAKE THAT BACK! -
Old Time Brooklyn wrote: Prejudice is prejudice. My substitute words just make it more obvious.
No one is without individual prejudice of some sort. We are not capable of liking each and every human being on the planet on an individual basis -- at one extreme, yes, you have those people who dislike all members of one ethnic group or race or creed or what have you, but at the other extreme, you still have people who say "I like everyone else, but I can't stand Sid from accounting."
The true judge of character is what one DOES with one's own prejudices. Eliminating them isn't possible 100% of the time -- the best we can do is prevent our own preferences from impinging on the rights of others.
So to my mind, what Carnivore was saying wasn't "kids eat early -- and kids are poopy and suck." What he was saying was, "kids tend to eat early, so if you are a person who just gets your teeth on edge around them, do THE KIDS a favor and sit on your hands and wait longer, because better for YOU do to that rather than go to the restaurant early and sit there glowering and making OTHER people uncomfortable."
Moreover, he also wasn't claiming that he himself HAD such a preference, nor was he ESPOUSING such a preference. He was just acknowledging that certain OTHER people DO have such a preference. And like it or not, certain people do.
But, again, we ALL have certain people that we just prefer not to hang out with, whether you're talking individual people (I have a couple co-workers I'd really rather not have drinks with, thanks) or groups or categories of people (I can also see myself trying to avoid John Birch Society members or NRA supporters). It doesn't mean that we are actively campaigning for them to not be seen in public, we just...don't want to kick back and relax with them. And you know what, that's okay! -
Sure. And people don't like eating at places where there's blacks, retards, Persians, Chinks, Wops, Spicks, half-breeds, Hobbits, amputees, old farts, bitches, whores, etc.
Hopefully Carnivore can point out the restaurants and the hours of the day where these members of society are eating so certain people know not to go there then. -
You can make this your avatar, Carnivore. -
Old Time Brooklyn wrote: Sure. And people don't like eating at places where there's blacks, retards, Persians, Chinks, Wops, Spicks, half-breeds, Hobbits, amputees, old farts, bitches, whores, etc.
Oh, for pity's sake...if you're going to be that devoted to the notion that Carnivore is being oppressive towards children, then all I have to say to you is that martyrdom is rather unattractive.
Hopefully Carnivore can point out the restaurants and the hours of the day where these members of society are eating so certain people know not to go there then. -
This post is going places!
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Jesus fucking christ, you have _the_ biggest stroller hard on I've ever seen!
God damn!
And, you forgot about the dogs. Why are they penned into a small part of the park? Or only allowed to roam at certain hours? How fucked up is that? -
queencallipygos wrote: ...Okay, I've read the entire thread here, and I am a bit confused what the fuss is about. For me, it boils down to this:
LOL!
Carnivore: Kids tend to eat earlier.
Everyone else: HOW DARE YOU!
....Um, where was the offense in that? It was a statement of fact. To me, this is reading like:
Carnivore: Juniors' serves cheesecake.
Everyone else: HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT ABOUT JUNIOR'S! TAKE THAT BACK!
You're funny.
jeffrey wrote: [quote=queencallipygos]Juniors' serves cheesecake.
Was this in reference to customers, or menu items?
You're funny too.
Damn , you guys got my eyes watering and now my stomach hurts from laughing so hard.
About the little kiddies , I think that if they are well behaved then why not let them eat whenever wherever.My 5 year old niece , I don't take her out to eat at all never ever cuz she can't sit still or listen and gets upset when you tell her what to do bcuz she is a damn princess.My 10 &3 year old nephews , and 7 year old cousin (girl) are good in resturants.They sit and eat and talk the way they should cuz they understand that they are not at home.The 3 year old just sees how well the two older ones are behaving and he does the same as them.
BUT if they are seeds of satan like the one staying here with me , and all they do is cry cuz they can't get their way and bang on peoples keyboards....errrr tables and throw themsleves on the floor and scream then helllll no!! keep them at home no matter what time of day it is.I'm sure well behaved kids wouldn't want to have to hear that noise either while they are trying to enjoy their food and talk to their mama and dada. -
Again, go back to Carnivore's original post:
Carnivore wrote:
He's stating that there's a "problem" and the problem is that going to the restaurant (at that time or at all) means that there's kids there. Replace "kid" with any ethnic group or other group and suddenly it's quite offensive isn't it?
The only problem with "old man time" is that in our neighborhood, that's also "precocious kid time."
The only problem with "old man time" is that in our neighborhood, that's also "boisterous black people time."
The only problem with "old man time" is that in our neighborhood, that's also "dirty Mexican time."
The only problem with "old man time" is that in our neighborhood, that's also "irrational retard time."
The only problem with "old man time" is that in our neighborhood, that's also "bill-reviewing/holding up table Jew time."
There's just no difference. So continue to pick on kids and note their annoying presence and avoid them at all costs. And you're no better than a member of some all-white country club. -
MOD NOTE: *in a singsong voice* Let's all remember to be nice, okay? *authoritative voice* Enough with the personal attacks.
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I have a feeling we are in fact experiencing at this very moment "irrational retard time."
This is not directed at any specific person :-' -
Old Time Brooklyn wrote: Again, go back to Carnivore's original post:
He's stating that there's a "problem" and the problem is that going to the restaurant (at that time or at all) means that there's kids there. Replace "kid" with any ethnic group or other group and suddenly it's quite offensive isn't it?
[quote=Carnivore]
The only problem with "old man time" is that in our neighborhood, that's also "precocious kid time."
The only problem with "old man time" is that in our neighborhood, that's also "boisterous black people time."
The only problem with "old man time" is that in our neighborhood, that's also "dirty Mexican time."
The only problem with "old man time" is that in our neighborhood, that's also "irrational retard time."
The only problem with "old man time" is that in our neighborhood, that's also "bill-reviewing/holding up table Jew time."
There's just no difference. So continue to pick on kids and note their annoying presence and avoid them at all costs. And you're no better than a member of some all-white country club.
MOD NOTE: shut it. you've made your point. not that it makes any sense, but you've had your chance. -
What about the douche-bags at the bar post?
SOMEONE NEEDS TO SPEAK OUT FOR THE DOUCHE-BAGS! -
daver wrote: What about the douche-bags at the bar post?
Oh Honey, that's one problem they don't have. Douche-bags inevitably have diarrhea on the mouth.
SOMEONE NEEDS TO SPEAK OUT FOR THE DOUCHE-BAGS!
EDIT: D'oh That should be "diarrhea OF the mouth." Let's not get into a dirty sanchez thread here. -
Mamacita wrote: [quote=daver]What about the douche-bags at the bar post?
Oh Honey, that's one problem they don't have. Douche-bags inevitably have diarrhea on the mouth.
SOMEONE NEEDS TO SPEAK OUT FOR THE DOUCHE-BAGS!
Oh.
Well, I guess that one is covered then.
Alright, I have no further objections. -
That'd be a great name for a bar : "Old Man Time". I'd love to see a bar open up that serves only old man drinks - like Sidecars, Pink Squirrels, Sloe Gin Fizzes - you get the picture.
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cant believe i am wasting my keystrokes to respond to OTB's absolute inanity. (alafairnadia, this is an attack against his ideas, not his person.)
this is about wanting to avoid being in the presence of certain BEHAVIORS, not categories of people. anyone has a right to complain about and want to avoid noisy, petulant, crying, messy, frantic, stinky, violent people, be they kids, persians, or hobbits. -
Intolerance is intolerance no matter how you dress it up.
And again, if a busload of mentally challenged people went to Franny's every day at 6:00pm, Carnivore and the like wouldn't be so quick to post "Avoid that place and those loud, annoying dolts."
But in this crowd it's easy and cool to pick on kids and their parents. And really, it's just sickening to me. -
Old Time Brooklyn wrote: Intolerance is intolerance no matter how you dress it up.
In all honesty and candor, I don't think the posts in question were picking on kids or their parents, or deserve anyone to be sickened over them. FWIW.
And again, if a busload of mentally challenged people went to Franny's every day at 6:00pm, Carnivore and the like wouldn't be so quick to post "Avoid that place and those loud, annoying dolts."
But in this crowd it's easy and cool to pick on kids and their parents. And really, it's just sickening to me. -
Old Time Brooklyn wrote: And again, if a busload of mentally challenged people went to Franny's every day at 6:00pm, Carnivore and the like wouldn't be so quick to post "Avoid that place and those loud, annoying dolts."
huh? i think most would want to avoid franny's under such circumstances and would appreciate the heads up (save the slurs). -
Old Time Brooklyn wrote: Intolerance is intolerance no matter how you dress it up.
Please point to the post in which Carnivore expressly called children "loud, annoying dolts." From all the post I've read, he's simply said "children."
And again, if a busload of mentally challenged people went to Franny's every day at 6:00pm, Carnivore and the like wouldn't be so quick to post "Avoid that place and those loud, annoying dolts."
But -- I do agree with you that intolerance is intolerance. however, I disagree with your DEFINITION of intolerance. Intolerance would be "showing up and demanding that the maitre d' throw out families with children". On the other hand, "letting other people have a turn at an establishment first and waiting until later to go yourself" is the definition of TOLERANCE. And -- tolerance is the OPPOSITE of intolerance. -
Great society that is: avoiding people. Brooklyn is truly dead.
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Old Time Brooklyn wrote: Great society that is: avoiding people. Brooklyn is truly dead.
You've never even had a single instance when you even had just one day when you decided to pass on a social gathering just because you felt like it, even just that once? Even for as innocent a reason as, "meh, my SO is gathering with some people to watch the Super Bowl and I'm not a sports fan so I'll stay home"? -
I avoid going to Times Square at times I know lots of tourists will be there. I avoid Coney Island beach on holidays when I know it will be elbow to elbow on the sand. *shrug*
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Sure. Who doesn't. However I don't avoid restaurants because they serve black people. Or kids. Or whomever. If you and yours want to do that, fine. I'm just calling you all out as sad, pathetic people because of it.
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daver wrote: I avoid going to Times Square at times I know lots of tourists will be there. I avoid Coney Island beach on holidays when I know it will be elbow to elbow on the sand. *shrug*
Hell, I avoid certain bars on Friday and Saturday nights because I know they're going to be busy and crowded and loud. Similarly, the people talking in it are going to be loud as well. I don't like bars where you can't hear people talking. So I appreciate warnings of "stay away from such-and-such a place after ten on Saturdays because they get a busy weekend crowd", which doesn't strike me as much different from Carnivore's "families with children tend to go to earlier seatings." I'm not staying away because I hate weekend crowd folk, I'm staying away because I want to hear my dining companions speaking. -
Old Time Brooklyn wrote: Sure. Who doesn't. However I don't avoid restaurants because they serve black people. Or kids. Or whomever. If you and yours want to do that, fine. I'm just calling you all out as sad, pathetic people because of it.
Eh. Oh well, I'm sad and pathetic. I avoid Chuck-E-Cheese at Atlantic because of all the kids. And the pizza sucks. My kids think it is too crazy in there and would rather dine at Frannies. Such is life.
I'm not aware of anyone advocating avoiding restaurants for serving black people, that seems to be in your head. -
It's just the same attitude as when restaurants were segregated: I don't want to eat with them.
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Old Time Brooklyn wrote: Sure. Who doesn't. However I don't avoid restaurants because they serve black people. Or kids. Or whomever. If you and yours want to do that, fine. I'm just calling you all out as sad, pathetic people because of it.
Oh, come on. Carnivore wasn't saying "avoid restaurants who serve kids altogether." He was only saying "avoid the six o'clock seating, but the nine o'clock will probably be quieter."
There is a big, big, big difference. Just like you taking a pass on your local bar on Super Bowl night, but being the first one in line on Bingo night or whatever. You're just staying clear at certain times, rather than giving up the local bar altogether because "oh my God Super Bowl Fans have sullied it and I am never going again."
And you've already been warned by the mod to not bring personal attacks into this. Calling us all "sad, pathetic people" definitely falls under the realm of a personal attack. Particularly when you're using an incorrect basis to justify that attack.
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