Attacked on the Subway
Hey,
I was on the 2/3 local at about 6:30 p.m. last night and was attacked between the Christopher and Franklin Stations.
7 stitches, plastic surgeon, two black eyes and four chipped teeth later, I am ok and everyone at St. Vincents said it could have been much worse.
Just a warning to be careful on the subway. I've lived here 10 years and never even thought of something like this happening. Worst of all, there was no police or MTA response at the stop where I jumped out of the car while being attacked.
I am wondering if anyone else was in that car or if there is anyone who saw anything?
I was on the 2/3 local at about 6:30 p.m. last night and was attacked between the Christopher and Franklin Stations.
7 stitches, plastic surgeon, two black eyes and four chipped teeth later, I am ok and everyone at St. Vincents said it could have been much worse.
Just a warning to be careful on the subway. I've lived here 10 years and never even thought of something like this happening. Worst of all, there was no police or MTA response at the stop where I jumped out of the car while being attacked.
I am wondering if anyone else was in that car or if there is anyone who saw anything?
Comments
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I am just so sorry to hear this. I hope you recover physically and emotionally from this experience... quickly and completely.
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was this in tribeca or brooklyn? thanks, will watch out.
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That's awful! Glad you're well enough to write about it.
It's Gay Pride weekend, and I wonder if that still means fag bashing in the west village for some f*ked up people. -
wow. glad to hear you are ok. were there no people on the subway at 6:30 pm? did they jump you out of nowhere or start in with you first?
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Subject: Re: Attacked on the Subway
neartoms wrote: Hey,
Did anybody call the police? Was the conductor aware of your situation. The police can't respond if they are unaware of your emergency. It would be nice if a cop could always be there when you need one but the city can't hire enough and the ACLU would complain that the police presence is excessive.
Just a warning to be careful on the subway. I've lived here 10 years and never even thought of something like this happening. Worst of all, there was no police or MTA response at the stop where I jumped out of the car while being attacked.
I am wondering if anyone else was in that car or if there is anyone who saw anything? -
first of all, I'm very glad to hear that you are, relatively speaking, okay.
second, can you tell us more about what happened? I'm assuming you can't remember parts of it? I'm asking these questions because, while I did not see what happened, I would like to know what lead up to the incident just so I can be on the lookout for similar behavior.
thanks and take care (and let me know if you need anything) -
ltjbukem wrote: was this in tribeca or brooklyn? thanks, will watch out.
I live here in Prospect Heights. I was leaving from the Christopher St. station with my partner. We were attacked between the Christopher and Franklin stations.
He asked us to get away from him and said we made him sick. I made a motion to show him and his girlfriend that the train was crowded and there was no place for us to move.
He started muttering that I had made him miss his stop. I tried to get out of his way, but it was an extremely crowded train. He started hitting my face and my glasses broke.
The conductor stopped the train and a very nice woman, 60s-70s, shorter with gray/whtie hair (THANK YOU!) helped me get my glasses off the floor of the train and gave me napkins to wipe up the blood.
When no one from MTA or police showed up after a few minutes, I got in a cab to the hospital. I didn't want to sit on the train platform where the couple who did this to us was still around. -
alafairnadia wrote: first of all, I'm very glad to hear that you are, relatively speaking, okay.
Hey Parade Rest, I called 911 from St. Vincent's, the police responded and I filed a report.
second, can you tell us more about what happened? I'm assuming you can't remember parts of it? I'm asking these questions because, while I did not see what happened, I would like to know what lead up to the incident just so I can be on the lookout for similar behavior.
thanks and take care (and let me know if you need anything) -
neartoms wrote: [quote=alafairnadia]first of all, I'm very glad to hear that you are, relatively speaking, okay.
Hey Parade Rest, I called 911 from St. Vincent's, the police responded and I filed a report.
second, can you tell us more about what happened? I'm assuming you can't remember parts of it? I'm asking these questions because, while I did not see what happened, I would like to know what lead up to the incident just so I can be on the lookout for similar behavior.
thanks and take care (and let me know if you need anything)
a) no worries on the misquote - I definitely don't look like a cop.
b) personal question: were you on your way home from the rained out dyke march at the time? I was stuck at cattyshack (there was a lake in an area commonly known as 4th ave and carroll) and everyone there was waiting for folks to show up for the after-party.
in any case, good luck! -
I was coming home after volunteering at a Pride event at my church in the West Village. I had stopped at the Monster bar for a drink and was heading home to Prospect Hts.
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http://www.avp.org/
You might want to call AVP The Anti-Violence Project, click Victim Info on the left column. AVP does victim services, and tracks hate crime. And if there is a pattern of attacks, maybe they'd know about it and/or your information would help build those connections. SO SORRY THIS HAPPENED TO YOU!AVP wrote: Your safety comes first. If you are injured or bleeding, or still in danger, call 911 or go directly to a hospital emergency room. See our on-line brochure, What To Do If You're Assaulted.
Call AVP's hotline at 212-714-1141. You can ask to speak with a male or female counselor, or Spanish- or English-speaking counselor.
If you're calling outside our office hours, you need to be at a phone where we can call you back. If it's not safe for us to call you where you are, go to a safe place such as a friend's place, all-night diner or hospital emergency room and call us from there.
You can call AVP's office at (212) 714-1184 from 10:00am to 8:00pm, Mon-Thurs, 10:00am to 6:00pm Friday (except major holidays) to speak with a staff counselor or schedule an appointment.
Please note: on the Internet your privacy is not assured. AVP cannot guarantee the confidentiality of electronic correspondence. Please call our office or the hotline to report an incident.What If It Happens to You?
A guide for Lesbian and Gay survivors of violent crimes
Eighty percent of lesbians and gay men have experienced some form of anti-gay or anti-lesbian bias-related violence.
Gay men and lesbians are more than four times more likely to become crime victims than heterosexuals.
Each year, thousands of gay and lesbian New Yorkers become victims of violent crime. Often we are assaulted by total strangers. Sometimes we are attacked by people we may know, including family members or lovers.
Many survivors of violence are reluctant to seek help from social service agencies, the police or the criminal justice system because they anticipate a hostile response to their sexual orientation or a lack of sensitivity to their specific needs. Others may simply be unaware of the services available to help them through the trauma of victimization.
AVP offers the following information for lesbian and gay survivors of violence.
Reactions to Victimization
There are many normal physical or psychological reactions to the trauma of victimization. Emotional reactions such as denial - trying to forget or pretend that the crime never happened - anger, isolation, fear, depression and problems with concentration are common.
Survivors of violent crime may also experience physical problems that seem unrelated to an assault such as head or stomach aches. Insomnia, change in appetite, sexual difficulties and general listlessness are also common physical changes suffered by crime victims.
Ignoring these symptoms may lead to further complications. If you have been victimized, you can call our hotline at 212-714-1141, for assistance.
You can also consider taking any of a number of steps:
* Get medical attention
Consult a physician or hospital emergency room, even if you do not believe that you have been seriously injured. Do this as soon after an assault as possible.
* Document the incident
Keep accurate records of an incident. Document physical injuries with photographs. retain any written harassment you receive. Keep a log of the time and date of harassing phone calls. if harassing messages have been left on your answering machine, keep the tape.
* Take care of yourself
Talking about the incident to supportive friends, lovers or family members can be helpful. Accept your feelings and reactions to the trauma. You may find it helpful to discuss the incident with a counselor at AVP. Call AVP to find out about resources available to you.
* Reporting Crimes to the Police
There is no requirement that you report a crime to the police. The decision about filing a report, called a "complaint" or "61" by the police, is yours as the survivor of a crime. Do what is most comfortable for you. Keep in mind that police reports are public record and under most circumstances can be released to the media.
If you wish to seek financial compensation from the New York State Crime Victims Board for medical expenses or lost earnings, a police report is required.
If the assault against you was bias-related - based on your race, religion, ethnicity or sexual orientation - the Police Department's Bias Incident Investigating Unit can be asked to handle your case.
If you decide to report a crime, an AVP advocate may be able to accompany you to the local precinct to provide assistance and support.
* Safety Information
You cannot insure that you will never become a crime victim. No crime victim is to blame for the crime committed against them. Nevertheless, these few safety tips may be helpful:
1. Find out about any local "danger zones" in the neighborhoods you frequent where lesbians and gay men may have been attacked. Avoid these areas especially if you are alone.
2. If you feel threatened or unsafe, trust your instincts and remove yourself from the situation as quickly as possible. Run. bang garbage cans. Make noise. Yell "FIRE!" Call 911 for police assistance as soon as possible.
3. Letting someone you do not know into your home or apartment make you vulnerable to robbery and assault. If you leave a bar with someone you have just met, introduce him or her to a friend or bartender. let other people know that you are leaving together. Exchange names and telephone numbers.
4. Women should be of men in "mixed" bars who claim to be gay and invite women to their homes. Be wary of taxis that wait outside of women's bars.
5. Try to leave bars, community centers and other LGTBH+ identified facilities with people you know or trust. Assailants sometimes wait for potential victims outside of places where Lesbians and Gay men meet and gather. (See Safe Dating Tips)
6. Carry a whistle. Consider taking a self-defense class.
* What We Can Do As a Community
Violence against lesbians and gay men affects everyone in our communities. Every attack against one of us is in reality an assault against us all.
The most effective way to deal with this violence is through community education and involvement.
Learn about the nature and extent of Anti-LGTBH+ violence and the services available through AVP and other social service agencies.
Call AVP to document attacks, get help, or request a speaker for your organization or community group.
About AVP
AVP provides counseling, advocacy, information and referrals for survivors of anti-Lesbian and anti-Gay violence, sexual assault, domestic violence, and other types of victimization. All services are free and confidential. -
wow. scary. especially in the daytime with lots of people around. not even to mention the stupidity of bias attacks
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btw, gay-bashing happens to non-gay people too.
A straight male friend of mine was "fag-bashed" with a baseball bat by some yahoos who jumped out of a car with Jersey plates one Saturday night of Pride a few years back. -
Thanks for mentioning the AVP. I called Christine Quinn's office last night at the suggestion of someone at the hospital.
A person from Quinn's office asked us to call the AVP. I called them last night and they were helpful. The told me I should tell the hospital I wanted to use "crime victims" coverage. That was very hepful since the hospital didn't want to call a plastic surgeon for me when I didn't have proof of insurance.
So all LGBT people --- store the AVP phone number in your phone and ask your friends too do it too. They were a big help and comfort to us last night. -
damn, that sounds awful. i hope you feel better soon and get past it sooner than later. i know when something that traumatic occurs, one has a tendency to shy away from things and people in general. best.
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Wow :-( Prayers and well-wishes to you for a speedy recovery overall -that's so horrible that some people can and still act that way toward another person and that it will continue indefinitely. On the other hand, it is really comforting to see the help and support you have around the incident. We need more of these people in the world- kudos, guys! :-)
Good luck to you, to everyone really -
Holy crap. That is horrible.
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Sad that in this day and age this is still going on.Hope you feel better. I would like to know what happened to the person that attacked you.Were they caught and do you have a description of them?
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Subject: Re: Attacked on the Subway
ParadeRest wrote: the ACLU would complain that the police presence is excessive.
Bullshit. The ACLU would not complain if there was enough police presence. I think that you have the word "excessive" used with police presence, (ie the police protecting civilians) confused with the real problem that the ACLU has which involves "excessive force", you know like the kind that was used at Stonewall (ie the police beating civilians up). -
Thanks for the flowers EM26.
It has meant much to me today to see my Prospect Heights neighbors stand up for me and rally round. Thank you for taking this seriously.
Be careful out there. Unfortunately, don't expect the MTA or police to be able to do too much to help you on the trains.
Tomorrow I go to the dentist and the eye doctor. Wednesday I go back to the plastic surgeon. I'll let you know how it goes. -
Jesus christ.
Who did this? I want that criminal behind bars.
Glad you're OK.
6:30pm??? Is anyone safe any time?
I wonder if that violent lunatic beats his girlfriend too. Was the attacker a kid or adult? -
Wow. Sorry that an attack like that happened to you and I hope you are feeling better. It's sad that someone can take out their frustrations or prejudices on someone else and not be apprehended and punished for the damage that they caused. Best of luck to you and yours, and keep on moving on.
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Subject: Attacked on the subway
I'm really sorry this happened to you. it's sick and sickening and I'm keeping you in my (style of) prayers for a quick recovery in all ways on all levels. you did all the right things - stay strong and don't let the bastards grind you down. sending many get-well thoughts. -
Another reason it's good to report stuff to AVP, even if you *don't* get injured, is because their statistics on reported hate crime are taken into consideration when the city and state are making decisions about funding anti-violence work.
Neartoms, I'm so sorry this happened to you. Thank you for letting us know about it, and for reporting it.
Just FYI, all, this has gotten picked up by Gothamist and Gawker:
http://gothamist.com/2008/06/29/enjoy_gay_pride_parade_and_other_ev.php
http://gawker.com/tag/psa/?i=5020607&t=hateful-scum-threaten-pride-weekend -
apollonia666 wrote: Just FYI, all, this has gotten picked up by Gothamist and Gawker:
Doesn't appear to have been picked up, but rather independently emailed to Gothamist ("...a reader tells us he was attacked...") and then picked up by Gawker from there. FYI.
http://gothamist.com/2008/06/29/enjoy_gay_pride_parade_and_other_ev.php
http://gawker.com/tag/psa/?i=5020607&t=hateful-scum-threaten-pride-weekend -
People are still gay-bashing? God. I'll never understand why people care who or what other people are fucking.
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Old Time Brooklyn wrote: People are still gay-bashing? God. I'll never understand why people care who or what other people are fucking.
Gay bashing is fucked up, and I wish the OP a speedy recovery.
Your statement, OTB, is a bit overly broad though. Fucking picnic tables as recently reported in the news? OK. Fucking dogs and cats? I don't think so. Fucking apple pies? Whatever. Fucking thirteen year old third brides? Nuh-uh. There are limits. -
With the caveat, "as long as you're not hurting someone/something else" of course.
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I am so sorry this happened and very glad that you will be okay. It really sucks but I hope it doesn't stop you and your partner from continuing your volunteer work.
Pitu - thanks for that great info. I have sent the hotline # of to many friends and family.
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