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pinkmuppet · July 2008

Walking home 7/1 around 7:30PM, where a man said loudly to his friend "there are too many faggots in this neighboorhood". I turned around and said "excuse me?". He repeated himself, so i told him to "watch his fucking mouth", I then turned away and walked to my apartment.

He got angier and continued to yell at me that he was going to "kill my faggot ass", "fuck me up", etc. I just continued to walk into my building. I came back outside (to go to the store) about 3 minutes later and he was gone.

I've seen him in the neighborhood before.

wondering if anyone else heard it...

apollonia666 · July 2008

Please please please report this to AVP. The info is in the thread about the recent subway bashing on this forum:
http://www.brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=43673

And it's probably too late now, but I'd suggest calling 911 ANYTIME someone makes a death threat.

pinkmuppet · July 2008

thanks, I will do that.

I know I'll see him again, that honestly that scares me a bit...

old time brooklyn · July 2008

He was talking about you specifically or was it just a coincidence? If the former, how did he know you were a "faggot"?

pinkmuppet · July 2008

Not sure if the first comment was directed at me, but the verbal attacks that followed were. Probably shouldn't have said anything in the first place, but sometimes it just comes over you.

old time brooklyn · July 2008

pinkmuppet wrote: Probably shouldn't have said anything in the first place, but sometimes it just comes over you.

Yeah, probably not. To me, you escalated the whole thing. You confronted the guy initially and then came out 3 minutes later looking for more.

pinkmuppet · July 2008

Well, I needed to go to the store. Not going to sit at home living in fear.

daver · July 2008

Old Time Brooklyn wrote: [quote=pinkmuppet]Probably shouldn't have said anything in the first place, but sometimes it just comes over you.

Yeah, probably not. To me, you escalated the whole thing. You confronted the guy initially and then came out 3 minutes later looking for more.
He *escalated the whole thing*???? Please. By saying, "Excuse me?" Wow, what a trouble maker. I agree, he should have *totally* just run and hidden and not come out for at least TWO DAYS.

stacey · July 2008

Old Time Brooklyn wrote: You confronted the guy initially and then came out 3 minutes later looking for more.

see this:

pinkmuppet wrote: I came back outside (to go to the store) about 3 minutes later and he was gone.

Please lets not blame the victim on this one

Old Time Brooklyn wrote: He was talking about you specifically or was it just a coincidence? If the former, how did he know you were a "faggot"?

Does it matter? The words were still said and the meaning behind them the same.

Pinkmuppet - I am glad you were not hurt and I hope you follow Apollonia's advice and notify the AVP.

old time brooklyn · July 2008

I guess. It just seems like agressive behavior. It sucks that dude is an asshole and either called you a faggot or was just pontificating on faggots in general. But you don't seem so innocent in it all.

daver · July 2008

Old Time Brooklyn wrote: But you don't seem so innocent in it all.

No shit, WWG and all. (Walking While Gay.)

Next thing you know they are going to make Driving While Black a crime too.

old time brooklyn · July 2008

This is still New York City right? A place where surviving means ignoring people? That's how I look at it. Pinkmuppet caused a conflict to occur. So yeah, to me, not so innocent.

Some idiot called you a faggot. That's worth dying over?

sweet tea · July 2008

OTB, i know what you mean, because i've certainly wondered myself why i sometimes call out assholes talking about evil gay folks, when i can pass perfectly easily and not get in fights with them. last time i couldn't take it anymore on the subway, i found out that plenty of the other people on the car sided with the person yelling about gays being evil. that really stung. (on the other hand, i had plenty of space to myself when i sat down.)

but you know what? it also sucks to pretend that awful things being said about you aren't about you. it hurts a lot, and it builds up. and when i don't say anything about it, then i hate myself for hating myself too much to demand that i not get casually denigrated.

pinkmuppet · July 2008

Enough disecting the event. You make split second decisions and you have to live with them.

Back to the nature of my original post: be careful around that corner.

done.

old time brooklyn · July 2008

The fact that you're so eager to avoid explanation or dissection makes me question if this even happened. Sorry.

sweet tea · July 2008

^seriously? you live in a world where it's hard to believe this happened? must be nice.

pinkmuppet · July 2008

avoid explaination? I think I pretty much spelled it out.

He said something, I was offened by it, so I told him that. he didnt like that I stood up. I then walked away. The event was about 30 seconds long.

should I have said anything? eh, probably not in retrospect, but at that split second I decided to.

old time brooklyn · July 2008

Of course it happens. It's happened to me. In this case, I'm just skeptical. First time poster threads up a story where they're the hero and then avoids the details of what actually happened. Mere days after the neartoms subway incident.

So yeah, skeptical.

pinkmuppet · July 2008

oh yeah, im such a huge hero. lets have a parade... oh wait, we just had one.

old time brooklyn · July 2008

So this was on Vanderbilt or on Prospect? Or exactly on the corner? Had this guy been walking behind you for a long time or somehow just appeared? Do you live right around there? Seen him before? What did he look like?

daver · July 2008

At this point, I would like to offer the following visual interpretation of Old Time Brooklyn's posts...

Old Time Brooklyn wrote: He was talking about you specifically or was it just a coincidence? If the former, how did he know you were a "faggot"?

Old Time Brooklyn wrote: [quote=pinkmuppet]Probably shouldn't have said anything in the first place, but sometimes it just comes over you.

Yeah, probably not. To me, you escalated the whole thing. You confronted the guy initially and then came out 3 minutes later looking for more.

Old Time Brooklyn wrote: I guess. It just seems like agressive behavior. It sucks that dude is an asshole and either called you a faggot or was just pontificating on faggots in general. But you don't seem so innocent in it all.

Old Time Brooklyn wrote: This is still New York City right? A place where surviving means ignoring people? That's how I look at it. Pinkmuppet caused a conflict to occur. So yeah, to me, not so innocent.

Old Time Brooklyn wrote: Some idiot called you a faggot. That's worth dying over?

Old Time Brooklyn wrote: The fact that you're so eager to avoid explanation or dissection makes me question if this even happened. Sorry.

Old Time Brooklyn wrote: Of course it happens. It's happened to me. In this case, I'm just skeptical. First time poster threads up a story where they're the hero and then avoids the details of what actually happened. Mere days after the neartoms subway incident.

So yeah, skeptical.

Old Time Brooklyn wrote: So this was on Vanderbilt or on Prospect? Or exactly on the corner? Had this guy been walking behind you for a long time or somehow just appeared? Do you live right around there? Seen him before? What did he look like?

turaho · July 2008

This thread got really weird really quick.

Somebody overhears a homophobic conversation. Confronts the guy and gets threatened and followed home. Goes outside later and the guy is gone. Decides to warn his neighbors.

I don't see where he's trying to portray himself as some hero and I definitely don't see why anyone would think this was all just made up.

Maybe confronting the guy wasn't the best thing to do unless you were itching for a fight, but smiling and pretending that you didn't hear it isn't much better of an option.

joseph11 · July 2008

this neighborhood isn't the safest hood in brooklyn yet. I'm not placing blame, just watch what you say to people. You might be right, but that doesnt matter when your getting beaten up.

wrecky718 · July 2008

Pinkmuppet thanks for the heads up. Living in New York, in 2008 you think that we are past all this. With the incidents posted on here in the past couple of days and frankly some of the responses to these posts, they are cautionary tales.

jack krohn · July 2008

Sorry that this happened to you, pinkmuppet. Kudos to you for asserting yourself. If you see him again, you might consider calling the police; after all, he did threaten to beat and kill you.

It's a shame that neanderthals like this exist.

old time brooklyn · July 2008

Like Jerry Orbach: if I'm wrong, I'll say I'm wrong. We'll see.

daver · July 2008

Old Time Brooklyn wrote: Like Jerry Orbach: if I'm wrong, I'll say I'm wrong. We'll see.

old time brooklyn · July 2008

God, you're such a dork.

daver · July 2008

Old Time Brooklyn wrote: God, you're such a dork.

alafairnadia · July 2008

daver, best sum up evar.

pinkmuppet, glad you're okay. I have quite a temper and if someone pisses me off, I have a tendency to say something. on one hand, that's good: why take some shit from some asshole? on the other hand, I keep waiting to get punched in the face on the subway (and I really have thought a few times that my altercations might come to blows). however. I have found that every bully who has tried to push me around backs down if I push back. magical.

roz · July 2008

Thanks, daver, for a funny and creative response to OTB's homophobic rants.

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