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BLIND ITEM....WHICH LOCAL REAL ESTATE AGENT....

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  • exactly how is a realtor responsible for bed bugs? there were bed bugs in turner towers, too, yes, that fancy building with 24 hour doormen, a building people move in and out of with some regularity, a building that's had scaffolding up of and on for years... wonder who's to blame for that?
  • hmmmm.... is making thousands of dollars by convincing people to rent in a building you know (but they don't) that they're likely to leave very soon, giving you another chance to show and rent the same apartment and make thousands more dollars from another set of people you've convinced of the apartment's wonderful qualities immoral or only amoral?
  • i don't knowm sweet tea. It is apparently you and others on this board who are the ultimate arbiters of morality. Please tell me what to think. Oh, and could you please also definitively inform me - and everyone else, for that matter - as to the moral guidelines around villifying a person on a blog rather than discussing a percieved problem with that person face to face? Many thanks.
  • commonsense wrote: i don't know. It is apparently you and others on this board who are the ultimate arbiters of morality. Please tell me what to think. Oh, and could you please also definitively inform me - and everyone else, for that matter - as to the moral guidelines around villifying a person on a blog rather than discussing a percieved problem with that person face to face? Many thanks.
    Marjorie Thompson's unprofessional behavior has been the subject of many complaints by numerous individuals here (use the search function). She clearly has no shame, so at least publicly posting this information may warn people who are thinking of doing business with her what they'd be dealing with.

    Do you really think it's morally ambiguous to fail to disclose a problem like bedbug infestation when charging people money to help find them an apartment?
  • Ok. I get that, as far as you're concerned, it is either ammoral or immoral, and possibly both, to rent apartments in a building that has bedbugs. I'm not so sure, since I sold an apartment in a building that I knew had at least one infested unit and did not disclose that information. Am I morally culpable? I think you'd think I am, and you may be right, in which case, mea culpa. I would still, however, like to know what you think about the relative moral merits/deficiencies of "warning" people about an individual's behavior without "warning" the person you're "warning" the other people about, since the identity of this person is clearly known to you. Is your information about this person anything other than anecdotal? If you have in fact spoken to this person, in person, and know first hand that her behaviour is in fact unprofessional then good for you, your morals, in this matter at least, are all intact and I have egg on my face and a horrible case of moral ambiguity to deal with. Which is fine by me. I just wanted to ask the question. Thanks
    PS I wonder if valtrex will work for this pesky moral virus I may have contracted?
  • so... do you have any 2 br's i could look at?
  • sorry deathscythe257, the only real estate to which I have access is - full disclosure - currently infested with humans.
  • I kind of see both sides. I mean if a broker walks people into a building and has to walk by mattresses and stuff outside of that building, isn't it kind of up to the prospective tenants to take notice? I do think it's unethical to charge a fee for an apartment that is infested. Also though, many people don't understand the horror that is bed bugs until they have lived it so this broker may just think it's like roaches.
  • scarlett wrote: I kind of see both sides. I mean if a broker walks people into a building and has to walk by mattresses and stuff outside of that building, isn't it kind of up to the prospective tenants to take notice? I do think it's unethical to charge a fee for an apartment that is infested. Also though, many people don't understand the horror that is bed bugs until they have lived it so this broker may just think it's like roaches.
    Perhaps while the mattresses are out there. But what about the next 3 people she brings by to see the apartment after the mattresses have already been picked up by DSNY? The signs of bedbug infestation aren't always obvious. She has an obligation to disclose the problem to prospective tenants if she insists on trying to rent out that apartment.
  • how many units are in the building? Is every unit affected?
  • Seriously. I would be soooooooooooooo pissed if I found out she knew it was infested. What a b. Bed bugs can cause you to give up all of your posessions, lose your mind and want to sleep in the park. Basically she's wishing that upon people all for a few thou?

    At this point though, if I ever move again I will hire one of those bed bug sniffing beagles.
  • commonsense:

    when i pay a broker a fee to help me find an apartment, that broker is acting as my agent and has a responsibility to give me information in good faith, and not to withhold information even if it is profitable to do so. that's what i'm paying for. the broker doesn't own the apartment; s/he can get my money perfectly fairly by showing me a different place that i end up renting. failing to disclose something like a widely-known bedbug infestation (and at least according to TAL, they're in the WALLS of that building and have been a problem for years), is failing to act in good faith as my agent, which amounts to robbery.

    the end.

    oh, and the broker named here -- whom i don't know but had heard plenty about before now, little of it making me doubt this story -- isn't my child, and i'm not responsible for reforming her behavior, any more than i'm responsible for talking to, i don't know, bush or spitzer or barry bonds about their misdeeds before decrying them.

    that said, i of course have no way of knowing whether the broker business is true, and you'll note that i didn't post the accusation or the name. but if what is said is true, then, to address your original question, yes; i think there's wrongdoing on her part.
  • sweet tea: I did note that you neither posted the accusation nor the name of the broker. Frankly I think it would be rather more admirable, given your convictions, for you to have done so. Which was my original point: not that you or anyone else is responsible for reforming another person's behaviour, but that we are all - or should I say that I think should all strive to be -responsible for making sure that our own behaviour is beyond reproach, which in my book means not making accusations about other individuals based on hearsay. To whit: it is documented that there are no weapons of mass destruction, that hookers were paid, and that drugs were taken, thus may we all decry, to our hearts content, and with impunity, bush, spitzer and bonds...
  • just one clarification: i didn't know the name of the broker, or anything about this story, prior to reading this post. i admit i had a guess about the name when the story came up, but it was only a guess, and a poorly educated one at that, so it would have been completely irresponsible -- even by my own lax standards -- to have mentioned it.
  • Subject: She knows

    Commonsense--The broker in question definitley knows about the bedbugs. The guys who hang out in front of the building (those of you who live in the nabe know who I'm talking about) screamed out "bedbugs!!" on two occasions as she was taking people into the building. I'm also sure she's seen the debris and furniture in front of that building for the past few months...and I can only believe that the people she rented the apartment(s) called and told her about the bb's after they moved in. Anyone who has ever had dealings with this broker knows SHE KNOWS about the bedbugs...how is it that everyone else seems to know about the BBs (including NPR) and she, and broker in this neighborhood for many years, is totally clueless?
  • sweet tea: I too know no facts about this story, basic facts like how many units there are in the building, how many are affected, if there's an exculsive broker for the building. What bothered me is that I haven't found any factual answers from reading this post but I have nonetheless read a lot of rather incendiary opinion based, it seems, on a lot of other people's incendiary opinions, and it just didn't sit right. That's all. Thanks for engaging me in this. You made me work to figure out what point I was trying to make, and what was bothering me. More full disclosure: I have a passing aquaintance with the studiously unnamed broker and felt somehow personally upset by the tone of this topic. Also, I can't remember the last time I was viewed as being capable of moral ambiguity: I mostly ride around on a high horse :?
  • my horse can get pretty high, too -- sometimes i give myself little nosebleeds. :wink:

    i guess one more thing that bugs me (oh, gross pun) about this is that if a broker DOESN'T know about something so widely known, then what business does s/he have charging for real estate expertise?

    it reminds me of when companies tank because of widespread illegal things the CEOs then claim innocent ignorance of: either you knew about it and are guilty, or you didn't know about it and weren't doing your job, in which case, give back the money.

    at this point, i'm pretty ready to decry any broker who rents units in 349 without warning the renters.
  • sweet tea: I don't want you to be right (that's my job), but ok, all right, you do make a fine point... and that's all I'm going to say. For now.
  • i'll take it!
  • commonsense wrote: More full disclosure: I have a passing aquaintance with the studiously unnamed broker and felt somehow personally upset by the tone of this topic.
    It was kind of obvious before, but I applaud you for admitting it.
  • There are two more mattresses in front of the building. If the broker doesn't know, then she shouldn't be in business. How come everyone else on the block seems to know the building is infested? And NPR? Please explain that. To feign ignorance would be the obvious response. The second response will be " It's up to the renter to do his or her own research on the building..."
  • maybe we need to erect giant signs that say DON'T MOVE IN HERE - INFESTATION!!! that way it informs the blissfully ignorant realtor, and warns the prospective tenants who are about to spend first/last/security on a rash of new bugbites, that there's a nasty bug situation beyond the scaffolding?

    WHO'S WITH ME?
    :)
  • Subject: Good News for 349 St Johns Place Tenants!

    The owner of 349 St. Johns Place, has contracted Green Earth Pest Control to remove the Bed Bug infestation from all apartments and hallways. The service will not only guarantee the removal of the Bed Bugs, but will also provide long term control. Green Earth will also be performing a wall void treatment, which will prevent future Bed Bug infestations in a single apartment from spreading throughout the walls into the adjacent apartments. We will keep you posted with the outcome.
  • Thanks for filling us in, greenearth, and thank you for being clear that you're a representative of your business. Too often business owners try to post about their work while pretending to be satisfied customers, so transparency is always appreciated.

    It's too bad that they took that step only after the "This American Life" story, but it's neat that they chose an eco-friendly company and I hope for the long-suffering residents of this building that it works!

    Did a little Googling on Green Earth, in case anyone is interested:

    Interview with the owner of Green Earth:
    http://www.mypmp.net/pestcontrol/Q&A+Around+the+USA/QampA-Around-the-USA-Josh-Alpert-Green-Earth-Pest-/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/528879

    Here's another building getting bedbug work done by Green Earth -- no follow-up, unfortunately:
    http://bedbugregistry.com/location/NY/11218-3316/Brooklyn/730-Beverley-Rd/
  • My name is Josh Alpert. I am the President of Green Earth Pest Control. Thank you for your kind words. It is a pleasure to be part of this blog. I am a rookie at this. Wish me luck.
  • Thanks for your help Josh. Now Kill Some Bed bugs! Make them suffer!

    :lol:
  • i wanna see their heads on tiny pikes lining the sidewalk!
  • :twisted:

    The 349 St Johns Place Bed Bugs have no idea what they are in store for. Have no fear, the Green Earth man is here!
  • Subject: THIS AMERICAN LIFE features the bedbug hell of St. John's

    THIS AMERICAN LIFE has a recent episode/podcast about that building on St. John's and its bedbugs. It's in the middle of the show.

    http://www.thislife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=1255
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