Race on DH (again)
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Am I "black identified" (I don't use the term wigger, I feel its not polite) if I vote for Obama? Wait, is Obama "black identified" or "white identified"?
Regardless, Obama was really good tonight. On paper, he's much less qualified than McCain, but I can't stomach another republican in office. So, Obama is the clear choice. I agree with most of his views, but not all ....alas, I may be actually vote against McCain as opposed to FOR Obama.
If I were advising McCain, I would have him pick Condelleza (sp?) Rice for as VP, she's far more qualified than any of the four white guys he is rumored to be choosing from. ...but I still wouldn't vote for a McCain - Rice ticket, they are republicans after all. -
JAH wrote:
We've been over and over this GUEST, I mean ANNOYED, I mean JAH. You can't make a valid argument based on made up definitions. Just because somebody wrote it in a book don't necessarily make it so. I'm sure I might could find a thing or two in say, oh, I don't know, the current number one bestseller on NY Times nonfiction list that aren't exactly accurate.
DEFINING RACISM
The following definitions, provided by educator Louise Derman-Sparks, may be helpful in gaining a better understanding of why prejudice and racism are not synonymous:
PREJUDICE: belief in stereotypes
BIGOTRY: belief in White supremacy
RACISM: attitude, action, or way of life whose outcome oppresses people of color and benefits White people, regardless of stated intent.
WHITE PRIVILEGE: the consequences of historical institutionalized racism; the benefits that Whites receive (economic, social, cultural, political).
(Source: Derman-Sparks, Louise, and Carol Brunson Phillips. Teaching/Learning Anti-Racism: A Developmental Approach. New York: Teachers College, Columbia University, 1997, page 74.)
I realize this is rather pointless, but WTF. How about not calling people wiggers and whatnot, and start using a common language in order to have a reasonable discussion? And I realize that you feel inferior ("we never had superiority" -JAH) but that is something that you are just going to have to get past, and realize that we are _all_ truly equal, and you have just as much right to be here as anyone else.
Truly, you do. Keep on keeping on. -
What JAH is trying to say is that certain people don't complain on the street or in their neighborhoods and instead come to this site "where it's safe".
Furthermore, it isn't just certain people who log onto this site and read these posts. And you may think you're being polite and non-judgemental of your neighbors, but we notice when you walk at high speeds as though you are about to crap your pants or maybe already have and need to get home and change?
And we notice when you cross the street to avoid "the youth" only to cross back when the coast is clear. So as long as you are NOTICEABLY uncomfortable being here, I'm all for the "youth" making you even more uncomfortable. : ) -
I refer to one group as "certain people" and the other as "youth". Since I'm not a racist, try and figure out which one is which. : )
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happyneighbor1980 wrote: What JAH is trying to say is that certain people don't complain on the street or in their neighborhoods and instead come to this site "where it's safe".
THANK YOU!!!
Furthermore, it isn't just certain people who log onto this site and read these posts. And you may think you're being polite and non-judgemental of your neighbors, but we notice when you walk at high speeds as though you are about to crap your pants or maybe already have and need to get home and change?
And we notice when you cross the street to avoid "the youth" only to cross back when the coast is clear. So as long as you are NOTICEABLY uncomfortable being here, I'm all for the "youth" making you even more uncomfortable. : ) -
You know, since the beginning of civilization "certain people" have been crossing the street to avoid "youth". It's not personal, it's not racial it's human nature. You two must have been born yesterday.
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modsquad wrote: You know, since the beginning of civilization "certain people" have been crossing the street to avoid "youth". It's not personal, it's not racial it's human nature. You two must have been born yesterday.
Bullshit. Nice attempt at justifying racism. NOT. -
Did you say "NOT"?
I think Brooklynian needs to set up a "children's table". I for one am "crossing the street", virtually, from this "youth". -
Gentrification.
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isaidit wrote: Gentrification.
Gentriconfrontation! -
Just so you know...I walk fast in every neighborhood. It has nothing to do with "youth" and everything to do with having unusually long legs. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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I walk fast because that's just how I walk. I don't like wasting time. You walk your way and I'll walk mine.
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arches wrote: Just so you know...I walk fast in every neighborhood. It has nothing to do with "youth" and everything to do with having unusually long legs. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Its when you are strolling along leisurely and all of a sudden speed up or when you slow down on purpose so the person has to you or you clutch your purse suddenly that it becomes offensive. You make me pass you and I will be certain to take up the entire sidewalk rendering it completely unpassable and walk slower than a snail. -
JAH wrote: ...I will be certain to take up the entire sidewalk rendering it completely unpassable and walk slower than a snail.
Yeah, that's when I will definitely shove by you. Walk at your own pace, but if you deliberately block me, it's not gonna fly. -
Carnivore wrote:
I am referring to when people are shook because you are behind them and slow down to make you get in front. Shove me and you will not like the outcome at all. Trust. You will deserve whatever you get.
Yeah, that's when I will definitely shove by you. Walk at your own pace, but if you deliberately block me, it's not gonna fly. -
JAH wrote: [quote=Carnivore]
I am referring to when people are shook because you are behind them and slow down to make you get in front. Shove me and you will not like the outcome at all. Trust. You will deserve whatever you get.
Yeah, that's when I will definitely shove by you. Walk at your own pace, but if you deliberately block me, it's not gonna fly.
I guess we'll never find out, because I'm definitely not "shook" when you're behind me. Trust.
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are you male? because i definitely let men of all races pass me if they're walking close. not going to apologize for that, either.
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Carnivore wrote:
Well it doesn't apply to you then
I guess we'll never find out, because I'm definitely not "shook" when you're behind me. Trust.
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whynot_31 wrote: Didn't we already have several lengthy debates that concluded that everyone has been given an equal opportunity to be racist? ...that ignorant fools (aka racists, or if we want to split hairs "prejustice people" ) can and do exist in all colors, neighborhoods and shades?
Unless I missed it, where was it revealed that JAH is a male?
...JAH claims to be not white, so he's is claiming that he is beyond reproach: That he somehow can't be racist. -
wirenut wrote: [quote=whynot_31]Didn't we already have several lengthy debates that concluded that everyone has been given an equal opportunity to be racist? ...that ignorant fools (aka racists, or if we want to split hairs "prejustice people" ) can and do exist in all colors, neighborhoods and shades?
Unless I missed it, where was it revealed that JAH is a male?
...JAH claims to be not white, so he's is claiming that he is beyond reproach: That he somehow can't be racist.
I have revealed no gender nor race specific information nor will I. -
no prob. but for the record, at least for me, i tend to let men following me closely past. race doesn't have anything to do with it.
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sweet tea wrote: no prob. but for the record, at least for me, i tend to let men following me closely past. race doesn't have anything to do with it.
why? -
Not for nothing, but that irritates me alot. I am usually walking at my normal pace and when I get close to some people, they begin to make me feel uncomfortable with the looking back, slowing down, crossing the street thing. There are times when I have to deliberately slow my pace because someone is on the verge of wigging out. I guess it's a male, female thing but it is irritating.
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JAH wrote: [quote=sweet tea]no prob. but for the record, at least for me, i tend to let men following me closely past. race doesn't have anything to do with it.
why?
too many years of hearing about some male-on-female crime and then hearing subtle (or not) implications that the woman could have avoided "becoming a victim" by not letting someone come up behind her have left a lasting impression. i'm not much of a purse-carrier, but how many times have i been lectured on the stupidity of not clutching the purse to me?
drkman: yes, i imagine that it is irritating. certainly i know (because they've told me) that in particular black men may think that i'm doing it because of race fear. that is truly a shame. of course they can't see that i do it to white men all the time, and that in fact, if pressed to put a particular face to fear, i imagine a white one. the irony is that i very much doubt that the white men i let pass imagine i might fear their race.
crossing the street, however, is not my style. -
sweet tea wrote: in fact, if pressed to put a particular face to fear, i imagine a white one.
well that makes perfect sense as most sexual predators are white -
JAH wrote: [quote=sweet tea] in fact, if pressed to put a particular face to fear, i imagine a white one.
well that makes perfect sense as most sexual predators are white
Where do you get your figures? I had heard that most serial rapists aren't white although most serial killers are. My perception is based on anecdotal evidence though. If you have any actual stats, I'd love to see them. -
http://www.cpiu.us/statistics.php
While nearly 70% of those serving time for violent crimes against children were white, whites accounted for 40% of those imprisoned for violent crimes against adults. -
Joseph Hart
Fifth Man Sues Retired Bishop for Sex Abuse
Victims' Group Wants Name Removed from Wing of Children's Home
By Dennis Coday [email][email protected][/email]
National Catholic Reporter
September 16, 2005
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Kansas City, Mo. - A fifth person who claims he was abused as a boy by Joseph Hart, the retired bishop of Cheyenne, Wyo., filed suit against Hart Aug. 24 in Kansas City, Mo., where Hart served as a priest and where the abuse allegedly took place in the 1970s
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news2005_07_12/2005_09_16_Coday_FifthMan.htm
Pedo-Homo Priests and Bishops Form Mahony's Network
G. Patrick Zieman
New Times L.A. by Ron Russell
June 13, 2002
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/700876/posts
Anthony O'Connel
Ex-seminarian's charges lead to removal of priest
By Dawn Fallik
St. Louis Post-Dispatch
March 8, 2002
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/special/probpriests.nsf/0/
140216BA423D2AEF86256B7600261EB7?OpenDocument
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/resources/
resource-files/timeline/2002-03-08-Fallik-OConnellAdmits.htm
Howard Hubbard
Albany bishop faces abuse allegations: Hubbard denies charges some call questionable; diocese hires investigator
National Catholic Reporter, by Ed Griffin-Nolan
March 19, 2004
A pair of ghosts and a former prostitute have made charges of sexual improprieties against Albany Bishop Howard Hubbard, and in the current climate of sensitivity to clergy sex abuse, this has been enough to keep the 65-year-old bishop in the center of media attention he'd rather avoid.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1141/is_20_40/ai_114783738
J. Keith Symons
Palm Beach bishop admits sex abuse.
National Catholic Reporter; Gross, Judy
6/19/1998
With the admission of a Florida bishop that he had sexually abused five boys earlier in his career, the persistent clergy sex abuse scandal has broken into the ranks of U.S. bishops, prompting a prominent expert on celibacy to say it is only a matter of time before Catholics demand reform in the clerical system.
A.W. Richard Sipe, author of Sex, Priests and Power: Anatomy of a Crisis, called the June 2 resignation of Bishop J. Keith Symons of Palm Beach, Fla., after an accuser came forward, "another crack in the Vatican wall."
http://www.highbeam.com/library/docfree.asp?DOCID=1G1:21021471&ctrlInfo=
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Robert Sanchez
Sanchez asks pope's permission to resign
Archbishop awaits Holy See's response
National Catholic Reporter; Martinez, Demetria
April 2, 1993
KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Archbishop Robert Sanchez announced March 19 that he had asked Pope John Paul II for permission to resign as head of the Santa Fe archdiocese's 500,000 Catholics.
http://www.highbeam.com/library/docfree.asp?DOCID=1G1:13655314&ctrlInfo=
Round20%3AMode20c%3ADocG%3AResult&ao=
Thomas Dupre
Bishop resigns following claims
Springfield prelate had faced abuse allegations
By Kevin Cullen, Globe Staff, 2/12/2004
http://www.boston.com/globe/spotlight/abuse/stories5/021204_dupre.htm
Rembert Weakland
Archbishop Rembert Weakland resigned on May 25, 2002, after it became known that the Milwaukee Archdiocese in 1998 paid a $450,000 settlement to a man who claimed Weakland tried to assault him in 1979.
http://www.boston.com/globe/spotlight/abuse/extras/bishops_map.htm
James F. McCarthy
Auxiliary Bishop James McCarthy, former secretary to the late Cardinal John O'Connor, resigned on June 11, 2002, after admitting he had affairs with several women, reportedly including a 21-year-old.
http://www.boston.com/globe/spotlight/abuse/extras/bishops_map.htm
J. Kendrick Williams
Bishop J. Kendrick Williams resigned on June 11, 2002, after being accused in lawsuits against the Archdiocese of Louisville of abusing two minors and an 18-year-old decades ago. Williams denied the accusations.
http://www.boston.com/globe/spotlight/abuse/extras/bishops_map.htm
George E. Rueger
Bishop denies abuse allegations; diocese levels countercharge
By Michael Paulson, Boston Globe Staff,
July 13, 2002
An auxiliary bishop in Worcester yesterday denied that he molested a teenager four decades ago, and the Worcester diocese accused the complainant of extortion.
Bishop George E. Rueger, 72, said he did not abuse Sime Braio, 52, despite accusations made by Braio in a lawsuit filed Thursday in Worcester Superior Court.
http://www.boston.com/globe/spotlight/abuse/stories2/071302_bishop.htm
Joseph Ferrario
http://www.answers.com/topic/joseph-anthony-ferrario
Lawrence Soens
Retired bishop named in Iowa sex abuse claims
5/25/2006
Catholic News Service (www.catholicnews.com)
DAVENPORT, Iowa – The Davenport Diocese received notice May 22 of 14 claims against it for clerical sexual abuse of minors. They included seven more claims against retired Bishop Lawrence D. Soens of Sioux City, Iowa, who was a Davenport priest before he was made a bishop.
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=19977
Paul Dudley
Florida Woman's Sex-Abuse Suit against Church Dismissed
The Associated Press, carried in Tallahassee Democrat [Sioux Falls SD]
October 27, 2005
A federal judge has dismissed a lawsuit filed by a Florida woman who claimed she was molested by a Roman Catholic priest in the 1960s, but the parties disagree whether a settlement they reached in principle was ever finalized.
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news2005_07_12/2005_10_27_AP_FloridaWomans.htm
Daniel Ryan
Sins of the Fathers
The Springfield, IL Diocese Tries to Restore Faith and Trust Following Years of Priestly Misconduct
By DAVE BAKKE, STAFF WRITER
SJ-R.com
March 13, 2005
In the past 20 years, three watershed events in the Springfield Roman Catholic Diocese have shaken, and in some cases destroyed, the image of the priest and the faith of Catholics.
The Rev. Alvin Campbell was first. Campbell used his priesthood at St. Maurice Parish in Morrisonville as a tool to seduce boys. He was convicted as a pedophile in the days when using the words "pedophile" and "priest" in the same sentence was unthinkable. In 1985, Campbell pleaded guilty but mentally ill to molestation charges. He was sentenced to 14 years in prison.
In the 19 years since Campbell's guilty plea, the Springfield diocese has earned a reputation in national Catholic circles as a troubled, volatile place. The list of names of local clergy linked to scandals from homosexual and heterosexual affairs to embezzlement is a long one.
Next came Bishop Daniel Ryan. His early years as bishop were marred by his admitted alcohol abuse for which he received treatment in the summer of 1986. Ryan's final two years before his resignation in 1999 were spent under the cloud of sexual misconduct accusations.
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news2005_01_06/2005_03_13_Bakke_SinsOf.htm
"Although denied by Bishop Ryan, this behavior did occur and caused scandal in the church by leading others to do evil," the report stated. "It resulted in feelings of hurt and anger, as well as thoughts of doubt and mistrust, both in the church as an institution and in its leaders."
http://www.herald-review.com/articles/2006/08/03/news/local_news/1016773.txt
William Skylstad
Bishop Accused of Sexual Abuse
March 8, 2006
(AP) A woman has filed a claim that she was sexually abused more than 40 years ago by Bishop William Skylstad, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic bishops and leader of the Spokane Diocese.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/08/national/main1384847.shtml
Robert Brom
Allegation
He is one of about a dozen U.S. bishops who have been accused of sexual misconduct in recent years. Catholic leaders in Minnesota, where Bishop Brom once headed the Diocese of Duluth, have paid a settlement to a former seminarian who alleged that he was coerced into sex. A spokeswoman for the bishop recently told The Boston Globe that "minimal insurance" money was paid to the accuser, who agreed to retract his claim. Two archbishops who helped negotiate the deal in the mid-1990s said the man received roughly $100,000. The man alleged that in the 1980s, Bishop Brom and other high-ranking clergymen pressured him and other young men to have sex at a seminary in Winona, Minn.
http://www.dallasnews.com/cgi-bin/bi/dallas/2002/priests.cgi?bishop=12&title=&diocese=&state=
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William D. Borders
Borders Named in Lawsuits Claiming Sex Abuse Coverup
By Orlando Sentinel and Sandy Alexander
Baltimore Sun
September 13, 2005
Retired Baltimore Archbishop William D. Borders was accused in two lawsuits yesterday of covering up charges of sexual abuse against a Catholic priest in his diocese while he was bishop of Orlando, Fla.
The lawsuits against the Diocese of Orlando, filed by two men in Florida's Orange County Circuit Court, allege that the Rev. Vernon F. Uhran sexually abused them at three Orlando-area churches and on a cross-country road trip in the early 1970s.
The unnamed plaintiffs, each seeking $5 million in damages, charge that Borders received reports of the abuse but did not discipline Uhran and concealed the information. The diocese transferred Uhran from parish to parish, "where he continued to have unfettered access to minors and was permitted to have frequent sleepovers in the Rectories," the lawsuits state.
Borders served as archbishop of Orlando from its creation in 1968 until 1974, and was archbishop of Baltimore from 1974 until retiring in 1989.
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news2005_07_12/2005_09_13_Sentinel_BordersNamed.htm
Is this shit a genetic trait in whites ???????? -
http://www.kltv.com/global/story.asp?s=5599487
White Teen Arrested For Raping His Mother
Gary Helms, Jr
Police say a Marshall County Alabama teen raped his mother to get revenge on his brother.
Police say 19-year-old Gary Helms, Jr., raped his 45-year-old mother this past weekend at Willow Terrace Trailer Park on Doyle Drive in Albertville.
It's a twisted crime that police say Helms admits.
"From what we understand the rape stemmed from an argument between him and his brother. And apparently they were arguing over a girlfriend. And the rape was some sort of retaliation towards his brother," said Sgt. Jamie Smith of the Albertville Police Department.
It was unusual retaliation on an unsuspecting victim.
Authorities say Helms' mother was apparently passed out drunk on the couch when the rape started.
"During the attack she did come to and recognize her attacker. (Reporter: As her son?) As her son," said Smith.
That's when, according to the police report, the mother "tried to get away, but he held her down until he was finished."
"It's totally sick is what it is," said Smith.
Helms was arrested and charged with the 1st degree rape of his own mother.
Smith says it's hard to wrap your mind around.
"Shocked, shocked would be more a better way to describe it. That somebody would dip to the lows to do something of this nature. It's just pretty much a shock to the conscience of the general public," said Smith.
Helms is being held in the Marshall County Jail on $100,000 bond.
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