J'ourvet

Not to be a party pooper, but Jouvert is probably one of the most dangerous events in the City. Believe it or not, the Jouvert celebration attracts far less people than the actual parade, yet it is 10 times more violent.

more details on the violence please...just drunkards shooting guns off, or muggings, beatings, etc?

JAH, you need to lighten up and also look up the definition of "propaganda". You're implying that King is part some conspiracy against Jouvert which is totally ridiculous.

. this is definitely the largest parade and with such crowds gathering and factor in alcohol, sometimes things happen. for the most part it is a parade with great food, great music, good times,great costumes, lots of politicians making appearances and heavy police presence.

King without a crown wrote: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2007/09/03/2007-09-03_reveler_shot_in_leg_at_west_indian_day_p.html

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9405E3D61538F931A3575AC0A9659C8B63

http://www.nycems.blogspot.com/2007/09/west-indian-day-parade-marred-by.html

http://onlytheblogknowsbrooklyn.typepad.com/only_the_blog_knows_brook/2006/09/sanitation_work.html

http://www.heritagekonpa.com/archives/Labor Day Carnival Analysis.htm

You post 5 articles over the past 5 years, most of which were about the parade itself, not J'ouvert, as if that proves your point? There is violence at the parade (mostly off route) and at J'ouvert (also mostly off route). The parade has over 2 million people, larger than most cities in the U.S. With that many people, there are going to be incidents, as there would in any cohort of 2 million people. You're looking at the numerator and ignoring the denominator. It's total fear-mongering and has nothing to do with the reality of about 99.9999% of people's experience with the parade.

Also it's J'OUVERT for fucks sake.

J'ourvet is the day of the year when you honor your pet's health care provider.

Carnivore wrote: [quote=King without a crown]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2007/09/03/2007-09-03_reveler_shot_in_leg_at_west_indian_day_p.html

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9405E3D61538F931A3575AC0A9659C8B63

http://www.nycems.blogspot.com/2007/09/west-indian-day-parade-marred-by.html

http://onlytheblogknowsbrooklyn.typepad.com/only_the_blog_knows_brook/2006/09/sanitation_work.html

http://www.heritagekonpa.com/archives/Labor Day Carnival Analysis.htm

You post 5 articles over the past 5 years, most of which were about the parade itself, not J'ouvert, as if that proves your point? There is violence at the parade (mostly off route) and at J'ouvert (also mostly off route). The parade has over 2 million people, larger than most cities in the U.S. With that many people, there are going to be incidents, as there would in any cohort of 2 million people. You're looking at the numerator and ignoring the denominator. It's total fear-mongering and has nothing to do with the reality of about 99.9999% of people's experience with the parade.

well bloody said.

all things considered (summer heat, literally millions of people, crazy crowd conditions), a small handful of violent events in so many years is pretty impressive. I've been to bars with more fights in a single night (though none of them have ended in shooting/stabbing heh).

BKChickie wrote: Okay, so violence aside, where exactly is the parade route? The WIADCA website isn't 100 percent clear (to me anyway), but I think that it's Eastern Pkway from Utica to GAP. Am I correct?

And, more importantly: the food. Are there vendors all along the route, or one central place?

yes Utica to GAP. food is all over.

BKChickie wrote: Okay, so violence aside, where exactly is the parade route? The WIADCA website isn't 100 percent clear (to me anyway), but I think that it's Eastern Pkway from Utica to GAP. Am I correct?

And, more importantly: the food. Are there vendors all along the route, or one central place?

that's the route for the main parade on monday during the day. there will be food everywhere.

j'ouvert is the night before. theoretically it starts at 2 or so in the morning, but last year it started at more like 4-4:30. the route is from GAP up flatbush to empire, then in to i think nostrand or so. last year i remember one very busy food vendor at GAP, selling doubles. yumyumyum!

the parades are quite different. both are very fun.

supreme_ian wrote: well if you wanna go ... its always on church ave.. from like nostrand all the way down to utica.. but like the other ppl said its type dangerous...

the st patricks day parade is more dangerous so is halloween

supreme_ian wrote: halloween is the MOST dangerous day in nyc ... but walkin up n down church is type dangerous too.. you being who you are should know that.. im not sayin they will target you but alotta victims are INNOCENT victims.. by standers and ppl that aint got shit to do with anything thats goin on !

you can catch a stray anywhere you know. post stats to prove your point. i never heard of a single incident of a random bystander getting attacked. don't start no shit, won't be no shit.

1 Dead, 5 Hurt In Labor Day Pre-Party's
Author: Webby Category: General News
NY Post
A 24-year-old Brooklyn man was killed and five other people wounded in separate incidents during pre-dawn celebrations leading up to today's West Indian Day parade, law enforcement sources said.

Winfield Gaston, was fatally shot in the head around 10:20 p.m. as revelers took to the streets in Brooklyn for the pre-festival festivities known as J'ouvert.

"The West Indian Parade is [today], but they party the night before," said a 33-year-old teacher who heard the fatal shots fired in front of his apartment building on Winthrop Street near Flatbush Avenue in Flatbush.

"It's crowded outside, everybody's outside. The whole block is blocked off. There were about a million cops out there," he said.

"It sounded like a . . . verbal fight before the actual gunfire. There were several shots, too many to count. I was looking out the window afterwards and there was a kid, an associate of the guy who was shot, who was crying in the street." The sources said Gaston wore the colors and insignia of the Crips gang and had been shot twice in the past.

In addition, police said five Brooklyn party-goers were victims of gunplay.

* A woman was shot in the leg at the intersection of Empire Blvd and Nostrand Avenue.

* At Church and E. 46th Street, someone sprayed gunfire into a crowd, injuring three in their legs.

* A man was shot and wounded not far away, the sources said without disclosing the exact location.

This stuff happens all the time at the St Patricks Day Parade?

King without a crown wrote: Sorry, I didnt have enough time to google all the Jouvert violence articles. I agree that with an event that large that something is bound to happen. However Jouvert is extremely violent. Last year the 67 precinct made 16 gun arrests that evening. But all those attending the even,t please feel free to report back, I'd like to know how it goes.

I've been going to the parade for many years but only started going to J'ouvert 2 years ago. I basically stick to the Flatbush end of it and haven't had any problems.

Wait can someone please tell me what J'OUVERT is and when the West Indian parade it -- and where the straight pride parade is so I can AVOID it

Thanks!