SPLIT from j'ouvert thread: all the non-j'ouvert discussion
JAH wrote: [quote=Carnivore]THANK YOU!
You post 5 articles over the past 5 years, most of which were about the parade itself, not J'ouvert, as if that proves your point? There is violence at the parade (mostly off route) and at J'ouvert (also mostly off route). The parade has over 2 million people, larger than most cities in the U.S. With that many people, there are going to be incidents, as there would in any cohort of 2 million people. You're looking at the numerator and ignoring the denominator. It's total fear-mongering and has nothing to do with the reality of about 99.9999% of people's experience with the parade.
Also if shit does happen, 9 times out of 10 it is PERSONAL. Somebody owes $, somebody fucked someones woman, etc. Nothing will happen to a random stranger unless they are incredibly disrespectful or something.
Hear hear.
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brooklynleather wrote: Wait can someone please tell me what J'OUVERT is and when the West Indian parade it -- and where the straight pride parade is so I can AVOID it
i really think you are not brooklyn material at all.
Thanks! -
JAH wrote: [quote=brooklynleather]Wait can someone please tell me what J'OUVERT is and when the West Indian parade it -- and where the straight pride parade is so I can AVOID it
i really think you are not brooklyn material at all.
Thanks!
I think wanting to avoid the "straight pride parade" nonsense is quite reasonable. -
Emily wrote:
This seems to be a board full of gays.
I think wanting to avoid the "straight pride parade" nonsense is quite reasonable.
brooklynleather is scared of everywhere and everything though. thats why i said that. -
JAH wrote: This seems to be a board full of gays.
My wife would disagree with you.
I sometimes get the sense that a lot of these rabidly homophobic Blacks would be equally rabid racists if they weren't Black themselves. -
Carnivore wrote: [quote=JAH]This seems to be a board full of gays.
My wife would disagree with you.
I sometimes get the sense that a lot of these rabidly homophobic Blacks would be equally rabid racists if they weren't Black themselves.
you have no respect for anyone's culture but your own. sad. -
JAH wrote: [quote=Carnivore][quote=JAH]This seems to be a board full of gays.
My wife would disagree with you.
I sometimes get the sense that a lot of these rabidly homophobic Blacks would be equally rabid racists if they weren't Black themselves.
you have no respect for anyone's culture but your own. sad.
I have plenty of respect for other cultures. I have no respect for bigotry masquerading as "culture."
SMH. -
JAH wrote: [quote=brooklynleather]Wait can someone please tell me what J'OUVERT is and when the West Indian parade it -- and where the straight pride parade is so I can AVOID it
i really think you are not brooklyn material at all.
Thanks!
right. because new york city is known far and wide for its conservative social politics and the homogeneity of its residents. -
sweet tea wrote:
no because brooklynleather seems to be scared of everywhere everyone and everything
right. because new york city is known far and wide for its conservative social politics and the homogeneity of its residents. -
JAH wrote: [quote=sweet tea]
no because brooklynleather seems to be scared of everywhere everyone and everything
right. because new york city is known far and wide for its conservative social politics and the homogeneity of its residents.
JAH, you've been posting here all of six days. Brooklynleather has been posting here for a year and a half. Based on what I've seen of her posts over that time, I don't think that's a fair or accurate view of her attitudes at all. -
maybe because BROOKLYNLEATHER has been beaten, robbed, threatened, abused, insulted, etc because he/she is everything you are NOT.
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apollonia666 wrote:
I have seen alot of posts by them complaining about being scared and asking about safety and such.
JAH, you've been posting here all of six days. Brooklynleather has been posting here for a year and a half. Based on what I've seen of her posts over that time, I don't think that's a fair or accurate view of her attitudes at all.brooklynleather wrote:
It is after 9pm where I start to get nervous walking around alone on empty dimly lit blocks.... -
JAH wrote: [quote=apollonia666]
I have seen alot of posts by them complaining about being scared and asking about safety and such.
JAH, you've been posting here all of six days. Brooklynleather has been posting here for a year and a half. Based on what I've seen of her posts over that time, I don't think that's a fair or accurate view of her attitudes at all.brooklynleather wrote:
OOooo one post in which a woman voices the perfectly reasonable feeling of being nervous walking around in the late evening on deserted, dark blocks. Powerful evidence, there!
It is after 9pm where I start to get nervous walking around alone on empty dimly lit blocks....
Here's what I see going on with all of your posts, JAH. We have seen it before on this site many, many times. Someone new to the site but not to Brooklyn signs up, makes a LOT of assumptions about the people who post regularly Brooklynian -- that we're all new to the area and/or "gentrifiers" (not true, there are quite a few regular posters who were born and raised here), that we're all "yuppies" or wealthy (not true, there are a lot of people on this site who struggle paycheck-to-paycheck), that we're all white (again, not true, at least based on the many Brooklynian posters I've met over the past few years), that we're all scaredy-cats (which probably comes from the fact that many people find this is a better place to find out specifics about what's going on locally with crime than any news outlets, so there's quite a bit of posting about that kind of stuff), that none of us are really involved in the local community (again, not true, we have people involved in their block/community organizations, some folks from local law enforcement, local business owners, parents, etc.) that we're all this or that. And then that new poster starts up, guns a-blazin', to tell us what's what, with a lot of snarly tone, tired generalizations, shaky logic, and outraged indignation. And then that new poster gets more and more pissed because folks don't fall all over themselves in agreement. And then that poster violates the site rules, which we're really clear about (the rules being available under the "community" menu at every page of the site), crosses the line into attacking someone personally, gets a warning or a time-out, and then freaks right the hell on out.
It's not clear to me what the folks who do this want to accomplish, exactly. If there's something you're trying to persuade us about, JAH, I'd truly like to know what it is. And if you'd like to really persuade someone to agree with your point of view, you might find that you'll get a lot further in getting them to if you aren't so combative, slow down with the dozens of multiple rants, and are a little clearer about what exactly you're getting at.
If all you want to do is piss people off and make them not give any weight to what you have to say, then carry on. -
apollonia666 wrote:
there are many posts like that i just picked one to use as an example. it must be terrible to walk around in continual fear like that. would you like me to cite all the posts like that? i can if you want.
OOooo one post in which a woman voices the perfectly reasonable feeling of being nervous walking around in the late evening on deserted, dark blocks. Powerful evidence, there! -
JAH wrote: [quote=apollonia666]
there are many posts like that i just picked one to use as an example. it must be terrible to walk around in continual fear like that. would you like me to cite all the posts like that? i can if you want.
OOooo one post in which a woman voices the perfectly reasonable feeling of being nervous walking around in the late evening on deserted, dark blocks. Powerful evidence, there!
And I'm sure whatever you dig up would make up a very small percentage of her 501 posts over the past year and a half.
Did you even read the rest of what I wrote? Just curious. -
apollonia666 wrote:
yes i did and it does not apply to me so i omitted it from my response.
Did you even read the rest of what I wrote? Just curious. -
JAH wrote: [quote=apollonia666]
yes i did and it does not apply to me so i omitted it from my response.
Did you even read the rest of what I wrote? Just curious.
It was addressed to you. What part of it doesn't apply? I would like to know what exactly you're trying to accomplish with your posting and what you're trying to persuade people about here. Or are you just here to rail away at whatever monolithic group you seem to have decided this site represents? -
apollonia666 wrote:
I never said you are all new to the area or are all gentrifiers. I never said any of you were yuppies. I never said you were all white neither. Therefore I chose to ignore that irrelevant portion of your post.
It was addressed to you. What part of it doesn't apply? I would like to know what exactly you're trying to accomplish with your posting and what you're trying to persuade people about here. Or are you just here to rail away at whatever monolithic group you seem to have decided this site represents?
Accomplish? LMFAO! How about speaking my mind just like the rest of you are? I am not trying to persuade anyone about a damn thing. LMFAO again and SMH. -
JAH wrote: [quote=Emily]
This seems to be a board full of gays.
I think wanting to avoid the "straight pride parade" nonsense is quite reasonable.
Oh, so now you're going to start being glib?
Just three days ago you were treating everyone on the board to a lecture about racism, the legacy of white privilege, and how reverse racism is a myth.
Go back to your own arguments, replace concepts like "racism" with "homophobia," "white power" with "straight pride," etc. and you'll see why your betrayal of your own logic makes it hard to take anything you're saying now seriously. -
Emily wrote: [
So you are actually trying to say this is not a ridiculously pro gay board?
Oh, so now you're going to start being glib?
Just three days ago you were treating everyone on the board to a lecture about racism, the legacy of white privilege, and how reverse racism is a myth.
Go back to your own arguments, replace concepts like "racism" with "homophobia," "white power" with "straight pride," etc. and you'll see why your betrayal of your own logic makes it hard to take anything you're saying now seriously.
Oh yeah and "lecture" ? GTFOH!!! -
JAH wrote: [quote=Emily]
So you are actually trying to say this is not a ridiculously pro gay board?
Oh, so now you're going to start being glib?
Just three days ago you were treating everyone on the board to a lecture about racism, the legacy of white privilege, and how reverse racism is a myth.
Go back to your own arguments, replace concepts like "racism" with "homophobia," "white power" with "straight pride," etc. and you'll see why your betrayal of your own logic makes it hard to take anything you're saying now seriously.
Oh yeah and "lecture" ? GTFOH!!!
I'd say yes, the stuff on this board tends to be more pro-gay than anti. If you haven't noticed, we live in a very blue state and city.
If you'd like I could quote you some recent opinion polling on New York residents' attitudes towards gay people, but you don't seem to put much stock in statistics.
At this point, JAH, you seem more interested in amusing yourself than engaging in any kind of dialog with others. Might I suggest you start a blog? -
JAH wrote: [quote=Emily][
So you are actually trying to say this is not a ridiculously pro gay board?
Oh, so now you're going to start being glib?
Just three days ago you were treating everyone on the board to a lecture about racism, the legacy of white privilege, and how reverse racism is a myth.
Go back to your own arguments, replace concepts like "racism" with "homophobia," "white power" with "straight pride," etc. and you'll see why your betrayal of your own logic makes it hard to take anything you're saying now seriously.
Oh yeah and "lecture" ? GTFOH!!!
it's teh gayz what bring teh awesome, baby. if you don't agree, then don't you have a parade to be in right about now? -
apollonia666 wrote:
Well an opinion is like an asshole. Everyone has one.
At this point, JAH, you seem more interested in amusing yourself than engaging in any kind of dialog with others. Might I suggest you start a blog? -
JAH wrote: [quote=apollonia666]
Well an opinion is like an asshole. Everyone has one.
At this point, JAH, you seem more interested in amusing yourself than engaging in any kind of dialog with others. Might I suggest you start a blog?
Appolonia called you out flat, Jah, and this is the best reply you can come up with? Seriously? That's it? -
pwaltman_1972 wrote:
Nope she had a massively failed attempt at "calling me out". Try again.
Appolonia called you out flat, Jah, and this is the best reply you can come up with? Seriously? That's it? -
JAH wrote: [quote=pwaltman_1972]
Nope she had a massively failed attempt at "calling me out". Try again.
Appolonia called you out flat, Jah, and this is the best reply you can come up with? Seriously? That's it?
That wasn't an attempt to call you out. I was asking you some questions, which you still haven't answered. -
apollonia666 wrote:
I did.
That wasn't an attempt to call you out. I was asking you some questions, which you still haven't answered. -
JAH wrote: [quote=apollonia666]
I did.
That wasn't an attempt to call you out. I was asking you some questions, which you still haven't answered.
Well, sort of:JAH wrote: [quote=apollonia666]It was addressed to you. What part of it doesn't apply? I would like to know what exactly you're trying to accomplish with your posting and what you're trying to persuade people about here. Or are you just here to rail away at whatever monolithic group you seem to have decided this site represents?
I never said you are all new to the area or are all gentrifiers. I never said any of you were yuppies. I never said you were all white neither. Therefore I chose to ignore that irrelevant portion of your post.
Accomplish? LMFAO! How about speaking my mind just like the rest of you are? I am not trying to persuade anyone about a damn thing. LMFAO again and SMH.
It's a flippant non-answer of an answer, but I guess in all fairness you did "answer." -
apollonia666 wrote:
Again, opinions...
It's a flippant non-answer of an answer, but I guess in all fairness you did "answer."
It is my answer not a non answer.
Just because someone doesn't give you your desired or expected response to a question does not mean it is a "flippant non answer".
:roll: -
JAH wrote: [quote=apollonia666]
Again, opinions...
It's a flippant non-answer of an answer, but I guess in all fairness you did "answer."
It is my answer not a non answer.
Just because someone doesn't give you your desired or expected response to a question does not mean it is a "flippant non answer".
:roll:
Well, it was a reply or a response, but it wasn't an "answer" to the question, in that it avoided the question rather than providing the information that the question asked for. -
question wrote:
I would like to know what exactly you're trying to accomplish with your posting and what you're trying to persuade people about here.answer wrote:
The question was answered. How is that avoiding the question?
Accomplish? LMFAO! How about speaking my mind just like the rest of you are? I am not trying to persuade anyone about a damn thing.
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