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A karmic beat-down on Sterling... — Brooklynian

A karmic beat-down on Sterling...

I was working from home Monday when I heard a commotion on the street.

There's an older gent who is the super for a building on Sterling just one in from Tom's on that corner. If you frequent Sterling between Washington and Underhill, you know this neighborhood fixture for the way he constantly sweeps and curses at the air or anyone who comes within his orbit (including dogs and children). I think his racial epithets are my favorite.

Anyhow, he got into it with a much, much younger kid and he went into one his his slurred, trash-talking rants I've become accustomed to hearing. After a few minutes of this nose-to-nose showdown the younger kid just decks him with a single punch. The older guy and his walking stick go flying back akimbo. Then the kid grabs his bike and is just about to rain it down on the old dude when another guy steps in to get the older guy to just shut up and back off. Then the younger kid just rode off on his bike.

And no, the police weren't called by myself or the dozen-plus other people I saw watch this thing go down. I think there was a general feeling of karma at play.
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  • Dude, I cannot WAIT for the next old person to insult me - especially if he's nuts to boot. I will wreck his creaky ass and then walk around like I'm carrying luggage because of the newfound confidence my accomplishment will bring. I mean, the hell with scuttling off on my Schwinn - I'll be a damn hero!

    And since everybody has done something wrong at some point, I'll just consider it karmic payback for whatever.
  • i have had run ins with this guy while walking a dog. The dog poops on the street, I clean it up, take the bag with me, guy starts SCREAMING at me. I start arguing with him b/c i have no idea that hes *nuts*
    I walked away and was pretty t'eed but I didnt hit him
    Yay Me!
  • I've seen/heard this guy. ...someone was going to hit him eventually.

    Youth are the most likely to decide they are the ones who should give someone a beatdown. It doesn't mean that the guy should have gotten a beatdown, it just means that some people have a lower tolerance for BS than others; many adults think we have more to lose than many youth.

    Hopefully the youth will become more tolerant of annoying people as he grows up. There are annoying people everywhere, you can't spend your energy beating them all up. ...and there's also vague chance of being arrested. Employers also frown on such behavior.
  • moufaisbad wrote: i have had run ins with this guy while walking a dog. The dog poops on the street, I clean it up, take the bag with me, guy starts SCREAMING at me. I start arguing with him b/c i have no idea that hes *nuts*
    I walked away and was pretty t'eed but I didnt hit him
    Yay Me!
    You're lucky...that whole thing occasionally ends with the guy kicking the offending dog (but not the owner).
  • He started swearing at my dog once after it pee'd on a pole, and stating he was going to kick my dog.

    ...we decided he wasn't worth our time. Like I said, kids make different decisions.
  • "You're lucky...that whole thing occasionally ends with the guy kicking the offending dog (but not the owner)."

    well THAT would have been a whole other ball o' wax. If he kicked the dog he definitely would have gotten a knuckle sandwich from me.
    to the bastard: "dont kick the dog or ill kick you"
  • Perhaps next time I'll state, "if you kick my dog, I'll punch you like that kid did last Monday".

    ...but I'll likely just smile and think, "Damn, some people just don't learn".

    Getting punched isn't the worst thing that can happen to someone, but the punchee rarely changes thier behavior.
  • whynot_31 wrote: He started swearing at my dog once after it pee'd on a pole, and stating he was going to kick my dog.

    ...we decided he wasn't worth our time. Like I said, kids make different decisions.
    NOBODY kicks my friend Dude! :evil: :evil: :evil:

    That is a guaranteed beatdown from Whatchuwant.
  • whynot_31 wrote: Youth are the most likely to decide they are the ones who should give someone a beatdown.
    Heh. So long as the target is easy - old, homeless, outnumbered, etc. That's usually when I see "kids" get lippy.
    I walked away and was pretty t'eed but I didnt hit him
    Yay Me!
    Good. Hell, I would love to pop half of these nuts that get in my face - but unless they go first it just ain't the right thing. I admit this can be unsatisfying, but I would probably feel worse if I clobbered someone who had no real chance of doing me physical harm.
  • Whatchuwant wrote: [quote=whynot_31]He started swearing at my dog once after it pee'd on a pole, and stating he was going to kick my dog.

    ...we decided he wasn't worth our time. Like I said, kids make different decisions.
    NOBODY kicks my friend Dude! :evil: :evil: :evil:

    That is a guaranteed beatdown from Whatchuwant.

    Damn skippy! I'll come all the way from Bushwick and ride over his ass with my cruiser.
  • Sorry. Young, old, handicapped, able-bodied - if ANY one even pretended to kick my dog, they'd be picking up their teeth with broken fingers.
  • Subject: Facianting

    I am amazed how we protect our dogs.

    Facianting yes?

    H
  • Subject: Re: Facianting

    brooklynboy3 wrote: I am amazed how we protect our dogs.

    Facianting yes?

    H
    Well, since he expects me to feed him, walk him and generally love him, I guess I'm expected to beat the snot out of anyone who tries to do him harm. Sort of like I'd do if I had a child.
  • Anastasia Beaverhausen wrote: Sorry. Young, old, handicapped, able-bodied - if ANY one even pretended to kick my dog, they'd be picking up their teeth with broken fingers.
    Perhaps. But the OP makes no reference to a dog in his post, and that's the specific incident I made my remark in reference to. There was no dog mentioned, no dog kicked, and some old nut got punched by someone he probably had no chance of harming just for being an old nut.

    If we must, I suppose we can imagine that the guy was in the middle of a dog-kicking spree when a heroic youth intervened for great justice.
  • I'll let Dude know that WUW and Caa have his back. He'll lick you the next time he sees you...

    Which all leads me to recall an ugly incident about 2 years ago in which a Great Dane tied up to the bench outside Shane's (on Washington) seriously attacked Dude while the owner of the Great Dane was inside eating, leading me to kick Great Dane so hard (and so many times) that my foot hurt for a week. Dude receive some cuts during the event, but nothing serious enough to go to the vet. My instant, no holds barred, goal was to kick that dog hard enough that it would not only stop hurting my dog, but also make sure that it would not merely attack me instead: Great Danes are no joke.

    My goal was achieved.
    I did not care that I was across from the detective station for Brooklyn North.
    I did not care that Great Dane's owner could be massive.
    I did not care that Great Dane could have turned on me.

    Several people witnessed the event (including Mrs Whynot, and the owner of Great Dane). ...owner of Great Dane was the only one who perceived my response to be unwarranted.

    About a month later, we saw Great Dane again, about 200 ft away, and on the other side of the street. ...it saw us and literally almost pulled it's owner over as it tired to run the opposite direction. Dude still avoids large dogs who are tied up.

    Moral of the story: Like good parents, people will do anything to protect thier dogs. I had not hit a living thing since I was 15 ...nor have I since.

    Other details: I'm 39, this means I had a 22 year run of being non-violent. I seek to match or beat this run in the future.

    After the incident, I learned the great dane was known to have previously attacked other dogs. I haven't seen the great dane for the last year and half.

    Back on topic, beatdowns are a last resort, youth don't know many "resorts" so they might arrive at it quicker.
  • Drano wrote: [quote=Anastasia Beaverhausen]Sorry. Young, old, handicapped, able-bodied - if ANY one even pretended to kick my dog, they'd be picking up their teeth with broken fingers.
    Perhaps. But the OP makes no reference to a dog in his post, and that's the specific incident I made my remark in reference to. There was no dog mentioned, no dog kicked, and some old nut got punched by someone he probably had no chance of harming just for being an old nut.

    If we must, I suppose we can imagine that the guy was in the middle of a dog-kicking spree when a heroic youth intervened for great justice.

    The OP mentions that man in question rants at everything, including dogs and children ...leading me to believe he is the man I frequently come across at the location described by the OP.

    ...it's too bad he got a beat down. Violence is bad. Karma is a bitch.
  • I don't think the barmy old bastard who got punched in the kisser deserved to get assaulted, I don't think anyone deserves to get assaulted. I would suggest to all that encounter this silly old bugger, that if he starts ranting at you, rant back, and don't feel restrained about using every four letter word in your vocabulary either. I do get rather tired of people who believe that they deserve respect but refuse to give it to anyone else. Do not touch his person though, if he hits or kicks your dog, move to a safe distance and call the police and file an animal cruelty charge. You should also write a formal letter of complaint to the building owner who employs him. If the stupid bastard injures your animal in any way file or threaten to file a lawsuit against the owner of the building. If enough people do this, this blight on the face of humanity will soon be relocated to the appropriate health care or penal institution.
  • Has anyone tried just laughing in his face? It seems he wants to get in an argument. I would think that if you just start doubling over in peals of laughter, it would shut him up.
  • bohuma wrote: I don't think the barmy old bastard who got punched in the kisser deserved to get assaulted, I don't think anyone deserves to get assaulted. I would suggest to all that encounter this silly old bugger, that if he starts ranting at you, rant back, and don't feel restrained about using every four letter word in your vocabulary either. I do get rather tired of people who believe that they deserve respect but refuse to give it to anyone else. Do not touch his person though, if he hits or kicks your dog, move to a safe distance and call the police and file an animal cruelty charge. You should also write a formal letter of complaint to the building owner who employs him. If the stupid bastard injures your animal in any way file or threaten to file a lawsuit against the owner of the building. If enough people do this, this blight on the face of humanity will soon be relocated to the appropriate health care or penal institution.
    Has anyone said he deserved it? Has anyone said that the youths were correct in hitting him? Folks are saying its Karma! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma

    Karma is a bitch. Do not mess with her (him? Could Karma be a him in this instance?).
  • Drano wrote: [quote=Anastasia Beaverhausen]Sorry. Young, old, handicapped, able-bodied - if ANY one even pretended to kick my dog, they'd be picking up their teeth with broken fingers.
    Perhaps. But the OP makes no reference to a dog in his post, and that's the specific incident I made my remark in reference to. There was no dog mentioned, no dog kicked, and some old nut got punched by someone he probably had no chance of harming just for being an old nut.

    If we must, I suppose we can imagine that the guy was in the middle of a dog-kicking spree when a heroic youth intervened for great justice.

    Blah blah blah
  • Wow. That's sad.

    He's an old man. I picture that shit and I think about my father. If someone did that to my dad.....no fuckin' way.

    So he's a little wacko , ok , but he didn't deserve to get hit. He didn't hit the kid. Seems like the old guy is just all talk or got the crazies? Forgot the meds? Argue back a little if you want but then just walk away. Laugh at him , whatever. Damn , but not hit an older man like that.
  • Words (even vulgar words) are acceptable.
    Violence is not.
    I hear vulgar violent words everyday on the subway- should I punch someone?

    Dogs are like children? We should protect dogs as much as children? Get real.

    Feeding your dog and picking up their poop on the sidewalk may make YOU feel like a parent, but please do not equate a dog to a child.
  • pima wrote: Words (even vulgar words) are acceptable.
    Violence is not.
    I hear vulgar violent words everyday on the subway- should I punch someone?

    Dogs are like children? We should protect dogs as much as children? Get real.

    Feeding your dog and picking up their poop on the sidewalk may make YOU feel like a parent, but please do not equate a dog to a child.
    Since it's - so far - a free country, if I choose to equate my dog to a child, I will. In my experience, having my dog IS like having a child. But that isn't the point of this topic. The point was KARMA. Some kid got tired of the old bastard's mouth and popped him one. I can honestly say that my "child" would never do that to someone. Maybe I just raised him better. :)
  • yeah, i am having a hard time accepting that a beat down is justified. If he hit the kid, kicked a dog, sure—protect yourself and your loved ones. But to equate this with karma, that's a bit of a stretch.
  • Karma is not always justified.
    Karma is not always right,or fair.
    Karma is not always deserved.
    Karma is a bitch.

    ...avoid Karma if you think it will do something bad to you if it catches up to you.

    I wasn't there for said punch (punch does not equal "beatdown" in my book), but I can see how something like this could happen to the man being discussed. Like I said above, violence is bad. It sounds like the crowd did the right thing when they only tolerated one punch being thrown.

    ...hopefully the kid will realize that the older guy will remain offensive, and will continue to be there annoying people on Sterling; his punch didn't change that. ...this way the kid won't think he's found a solution to things that are annoying.

    ...hopefully the kid will let someone else punch him next time. People who irritating are most likley to irritate those who are easily irritable.

    ...while we wait and hope: Avoid the guy on Sterling. He is annoying. He is so annoying that he is known to the neighborhood.
    How annoying?!

    So annoying that I once read that he annoyed some kid, and the kid punched him, while a crowd of people watched. Although the crowd stopped him after one punch, no one felt the need to call the police and at least one guy in the crowd attributed it to Karma. I know you never met him, but you gotta believe me, he's damn annoying!

    Can you hit him? No, the guy is harmless. You can only hit somebody in self defense. A year from now, I could probably add: He didn't change a bit after the kid him, and the kid wasn't acting in self-defense. Besides, hitting someone is a personal choice ...you shouldn't get advice about whether you should hit someone from some blogger you've probably never met.

    ok, I think we've beat it to death...

    P.S. Never mess with someone's dog. They will defend the dog like you messed with thier kid.
  • Thanks for everyone's weighing in on this.

    To clarify, I don't advocate violence except in self-defense of one's self or their loved ones (be it child, dog, spouse, friend, etc. -- as for the child vs. pet debate, I'm not a dog person by I wholly respect those people who treat their animals as close companions and members of the family).

    The point of my post (and I suppose the point of the non-reaction to the witnesses of the event) was there was a measurable sense of Schadenfreude at play on the street this past Monday.

    In my small hometown their was a similar bitter old man named Charlie. Charlie would go out of his way to aggravate everyone. He would swear at us kids at the bus stop doing nothing but standing there. He would refer to my father as a "fucking farmer" (an odd insult from a high-school drop-out who worked as a janitor to my dad who had a master's degree in physics and worked as a carpenter; most of the farmers I knew in my home town likewise had advanced degrees and were quite prosperous). Hanging out at the local post office he would rant about "niggers and spics" ruining the country." He would go to local school budget votes and make a big show of voting "no" at any proposal because "fucking kids didn't deserve his money" (money he earned as a janitor at the same school before his retirement). When some local citizens came together to restore a 19th-century building and create a new recreational greenway on an abandoned railroad bed, Charlie would show up unannounced and begin insulting people for their "worthless stupidity and waste of time."

    Flash-forward years later and he grew older, weaker and more ill. His dog died and his wife died (a lovely woman who was his antithesis). He wound up alone and friendless in a government-sponsored nursing home that a local service club of which my dad resided as president would volunteer. We went one year around the holidays to visit with the residents of this facility, hand out holiday baskets and play card games with them. When we got to Charlie's room, he looked up at my dad and my brothers and slurred out "fucking farmer." My dad said nothing, and quietly closed the door to the guy's room and we walked down the hall to the next room with Charlie's crackling voice starting to scream behind the door. Charlie died about a year later and he was buried with no one in attendance but a priest (his daughter didn't even go to pay her respects).

    Closer to home, my mom's father Glenn similarly spent his life angry at the world. He too was always free using racially and ethnically charged language. When my dad started dating my mom in college, he wrote a letter to the dean of the university making all up kinds of ridiculous stories about my dad and suggesting he should be expelled from the school. When my dad became a successful businessman, started a family and settled into some roles in the local government of my hometown, my grandfather's visits became sessions in his preposterous insults against my mom, dad, brothers and any friends who happened to be around. He thought our lives were a waste. Glenn eventually went completely blind, got sick and died. Even my mom didn't cry when she got the call from her mother.

    I guess this guy on Sterling has brought back my childhood memories of Charlie and my grandfather Glenn. For some reason, he is mad at the world and he takes it out on anyone in earshot. He kicks dogs. He waves his walking stick threateningly at people, often missing within inches. He screams racial insults at passersby. He tells children he'll kill them simply for walking by the building in which he works and lives.

    As near as I can tell, the teenage kid from this week was simply cruising by on his bike when the old man chose to get into it with him. This was obviously the wrong choice. When the old man hobbled over and got right in the kid's face and started saying things like "I will hit you in the throat with my stick and murder you" I'd said the gloves were off at this point. The kid even took a few steps away on a couple occasions, making like he was leaving, and the old man continued to hound, harass and go at him. A younger guy who was with the old man stepped in a few times and tried to pull the old man away, but each time the old guy shrugged it off and went back at the teen. When he was knocked to the ground, the guy continued to try to get into with the kid.

    I wish no ill will on anyone, but I believe you get back from the world what you put into it -- hence the karma at play. This guy's contribution to our neighborhood and the world is venom and violence.

    He will not be missed when he leaves the planet for elsewhere.
  • And sterling2000 goes for the WIN!1!!!

    If I could have I would have punched the old asshole too. I'm a very feisty latina.
  • Mamacita wrote: And sterling2000 goes for the WIN!1!!!

    If I could have I would have punched the old asshole too. I'm a very feisty latina.
    Thanks, but not trying for a win or to out-zing folks here. Just trying to provide some context that I initially lacked in presenting.
  • I don't know this guy and have never seen him. But if he tried to kick one of my dogs I would be right there with Anastasia. I don't give a flying f*ck if people think a dog shouldn't receive the same protection as a child. My dogs are in my care, they can't protect themselves without being seen as vicious. I don't care if some dog abuser or his sympathizers see me as vicious.
  • I think that anyone that hits an innocent animal is a sick individual.

    I remember when i was about 13 years old I had a puppy. He was mine. I took care of him , cleaned up the yard after him , everything. My brother's friend came over and my saw my puppy sitting on the porch. He starts saying that he doesn't like dogs and blah blah , so he picks him up and throws him over the railing off the porch onto the grass. I saw my dog slam onto the grass and he yelped really loud and I went nuts. I started crying and ran over and started punching him. That bastard was laughing , he thought that shit was so funny. I went inside the house to find something to hit this asshole with cuz my punches didn't do shit to him , he was 18 years old and muscular. I was raging with anger , and crying trying to get something but my mom grabbed everything I found from my hand. So, I walked out to the front of the house and picked up a brick. I ran to the back yard and he was still there. He saw the brick in my hand , I held it up and he jumped off the porch quick running to climb the gate and I threw that brick at him with all my might and BAMMMMMMM, I got that fucker on the leg. After that day , he wouldn't go near my dog. He'd look at me and laugh and say "I'm staying away from you and your dog". I told him that I hated him and I don't want him in my house , lol. About 5 years later he brought it up "remember when you were gonna kill me for that dog?" I said " Yup , and you deserved what you got and I still don't like you." He laughed at me and then apologized. FIVE years later he freakin apologizes? Ass.hole.
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