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Atlantic Yards....toast

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  • chekhovian
    chekhovian
    My guess is the Atlantic Yards site is not much different now than it was during the period FoS is set. The scenes on the PH side of Flatbush are not very flattering. ANY development would be an improvement over what he describes in this 'period' piece.
  • homeowner
    homeowner
    The Atlantic Yards site is vastly different than in the FoS period. First, the Wonder Bread factory was still in operation into the 80's. Secondly, the Underberg Building was still standing, open and generating a tremendous business. The smaller three story townhouses that ring the northern side of the site were not yet constructed and there were several brownstone blocks there instead which included great houses like the South Portland Tennis Club.

    Where Atlantic Terminal now stands was the remnants of the meat markets. They operated at least through the late seventies, with trucks moving fresh cuts of meat in the evenings and night. Most of Atlantic Avenue was gas stations, car repair places, dealerships, and other types of warehouses. The Daily News had a printing plant on Dean (Pacific?) and of course, the MTA was actually using the Atlantic Yards for train storage overnight, so there were trains pulling in starting around 7-8pm and continuing until close to midnight.

    The area was an industrial/manufacturing area, and was used as such, although there were homes that were within a stones throw of all of these places. Now, all the businesses that were there, that actually employed Brooklynites in reasonable paying jobs have moved to Jersey, Westchester, Queens, or disappeared completely oversees.
  • homeowner
    homeowner
    The Atlantic Yards site is vastly different than in the FoS period. First, the Wonder Bread factory was still in operation into the 80's. Secondly, the Underberg Building was still standing, open and generating a tremendous business. The smaller three story townhouses that ring the northern side of the site were not yet constructed and there were several brownstone blocks there instead which included great houses like the South Portland Tennis Club.

    Where Atlantic Terminal now stands was the remnants of the meat markets. They operated at least through the late seventies, with trucks moving fresh cuts of meat in the evenings and night. Most of Atlantic Avenue was gas stations, car repair places, dealerships, and other types of warehouses. The Daily News had a printing plant on Dean (Pacific?) and of course, the MTA was actually using the Atlantic Yards for train storage overnight, so there were trains pulling in starting around 7-8pm and continuing until close to midnight.

    The area was an industrial/manufacturing area, and was used as such, although there were homes that were within a stones throw of all of these places. Now, all the businesses that were there, that actually employed Brooklynites in reasonable paying jobs have moved to Jersey, Westchester, Queens, or disappeared completely oversees.
  • yawp
    yawp
    "While current developments suggest that the $3.5 billion Atlantic Yards arena project is in doubt, the mere prospect of a LeBron defection to Brooklyn should ensure that it remains on course for completion."

    Find here: http://probasketballnews.com/todd_111108.html
  • chekhovian
    chekhovian
    Look, the Nets are a small part of the actual Atl Yards project, should it ever happen. People need to quit looking at AY as the Nets moving to Brooklyn. We're talking about an entire urban center being built around it to keep it from becoming a Nassau, E Rutherford, any Midwest city scenario where the arena acts as a vacuum 3/4 of the year.

    The surrounding buildings would either a) make it the terrible overdevelopment seemingly everyone opposed to the project expects or b) a uniquely sustained urban center that brings life to a currently vacated space.

    I wish both sides of the argument would quit putting the Nets front and center of the argument.
  • yawp
    yawp
    At present, the Nets new arena is the only phase of the project that still seems possible. Developer Bruce Ratner told The New York Times way back in March (!) that the residential complex would be on hold for years.

    (Daily Heights.com/Atlantic Yards: The Saga Continues)
  • bendy broad
    bendy broad
    YankeeFan wrote:

    YES!!! Of course I'd rather see that space remain vacant than have multiple skyscapers built there. Why is that even a question?
    Word. Not to mention the drunken sports fans who don't want to pay to park in the lot stumbling loudly to their cars parked right in front of our buildings. Yeah, I'll take 22 vacant acres over that in a heartbeat.
  • bendy broad
    bendy broad
    sweet tea wrote: wrigleyville is an awful place to live, thanks to the traffic gridlock, drunken meatheads hollering, and fratboys peeing on your front yard/steps/planters/religious statues/slow moving pets.
    Precisely what I fear.

    *snickering at slow-moving pets*
  • chekhovian
    chekhovian
    just building the arena would be the worst outcome.

    i think people will regret fighting the project if it means leaving the surrounding area blighted for decades.
  • sje
    sje
    People will NEVER regret fighting this scam, no matter what the outcome. Make no mistake.
  • hamilton
    hamilton
    what corporations are slated to occupy these towers and at what cost to the taxpayers,thanks to the tax incentives and rent breaks giving to corporations for moving to Brooklyn.

    All we are going to have is an upswing in asthma.
  • yawp
    yawp
    But Ratner wants to give Nets tickets to the jobless: http://www.fansforfairplay.com/
  • bill c
    bill c
    according to gothamist/ daily news, the destruction has been halted in the AY fiasco.


    http://gothamist.com/2008/12/04/work_halts_at_atlantic_yards.php
  • bkchickie
    bkchickie
    So, does this mean that the Carlton Ave. bridge will be closed for the next 25 years?
  • bill c
    bill c
    no, i'm pretty sure ratner plans on fixing all the stuff he's destroyed before slinking off.
  • candicissima
    candicissima
    BKChickie wrote: So, does this mean that the Carlton Ave. bridge will be closed for the next 25 years?
    That was one of the first things I wondered too. Nice to know they can screw up roads and make blight where was there was none and then cut and run.
  • underthehill
    underthehill
    Atlantic Yards project in Brooklyn is dead, says its architect Frank Gehry:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/brooklyn/2009/03/24/2009-03-24_atlantic_yards_project_in_brooklyn_is_de.html
  • sir_eccles
    sir_eccles
    So, what happens to all the empty lots that have already been cleared?
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    I want them to be parks. ...please don't let them because parking lots
  • idlewild
    idlewild
    Like it or not Ratner owns the property. My guess is he'll keep vacant until times get better and at the very least put up new development. Unless of course he wants to create open parks, or the City or State pull a Eminent Domain on Ratner and puts up a road salt depot.
  • whynot_31
    whynot_31
    a road salt depot might be fun.

    ...we could bury metal, then unbury it months later to see how much is rusted.
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