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Prop 8 jesus christ! — Brooklynian

Prop 8 jesus christ!

MOD
MOD
edited November -1 in The Lounge / Random Stuff
I have no idea yet, but it seemes it will pass :x :x :x

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_(2008)

IDIOTS!
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  • doctorj
    doctorj
    You could look at it as a step in the right direction: banning anyone from getting married.
  • worldwide trader
    worldwide trader
    doctorj wrote: You could look at it as a step in the right direction: banning anyone from getting married.
    The gay thing, it's all population control.
  • jeffrey
    jeffrey
    LA Times says it passed:
    Voters approve Proposition 8 banning same-sex marriages
    Los Angeles Times wrote: UPDATE: Voters approve Proposition 8 banning same-sex marriages. With more than 95% of the vote counted, the measure leads 52.1% to 47.9%.

    A measure to once again ban gay marriage in California led Tuesday, throwing into doubt the unions of an estimated 18,000 same-sex couples who wed during the last 4 1/2 months.
    (Image accompanying the article)
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    ^ Get Out The Hate '08
  • idlewild
    idlewild
    Dumb. Some thing like this shouldn't even be up for a vote. If gay and lesbians want to get married and go through misery like heteros then they should. It's a fucking miserable state of affairs when being born gay , or choosing to be gay is so looked down upon it has to be a civil rights issue. Hopefully, the courts will say it's a Constitutional right.
  • boygabriel
    boygabriel
    I don't understand why civil unions aren't a matter of law, and marriages a matter of religion.

    Then the bigots can keep to themselves, and yet everyone has equal civil rights.
  • whatchuwant
    whatchuwant
    Marijuana reform, on the other hand, was victorious!

    "The marijuana reform movement won two prized victories, with Massachusetts voters decriminalizing possession of small amounts of the drug and Michigan joining 12 other states in allowing use of pot for medical purposes.

    Henceforth, people caught in Massachusetts with an ounce or less of pot will no longer face criminal penalties. Instead, they'll forfeit the marijuana and pay a $100 civil fine."

    Sucks to have to pay to give up your bud, though, but better than being a outright criminal.
  • pitu
    pitu
    best headline I've seen on the matter:

    America Elects a Black Man and Makes Gays the New Second Class Citizens
    http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/05/america-elects-a-black-man-and-makes-gays-the-new-second-class-citizens/

    Kate Clinton is calling for a Gay Work Slowdown...
    kateclinton.com
  • anastasia beaverhausen
    anastasia beaverhausen
    This disgusts me. I cannot believe that these morons don't see the hipocracy of this! They expect gays to pay taxes like everyone else, no? But then deny them the right to marry and/or adopt children?? I think I'm going to include a note to the IRS next year stating that since I don't have kids, I don't want my tax money going to pay for other's children to receive an education.
  • worldwide trader
    worldwide trader
    Anastasia Beaverhausen wrote: This disgusts me. I cannot believe that these morons don't see the hipocracy of this! They expect gays to pay taxes like everyone else, no? But then deny them the right to marry and/or adopt children?? I think I'm going to include a note to the IRS next year stating that since I don't have kids, I don't want my tax money going to pay for other's children to receive an education.
    I have African-American friends and the last time I checked they couldn't choose to be European-American. Gays can choose to being gay or not being gay. Let us not let them indoctrinate a next generation into gayism, they can be gay but not turn innocent kids into gays.

    Their is no orginal sin. You are born without sin. The world introduces you into sin as you age.
  • underhill_mt
    underhill_mt
    worldwide trader wrote: [quote=Anastasia Beaverhausen]This disgusts me. I cannot believe that these morons don't see the hipocracy of this! They expect gays to pay taxes like everyone else, no? But then deny them the right to marry and/or adopt children?? I think I'm going to include a note to the IRS next year stating that since I don't have kids, I don't want my tax money going to pay for other's children to receive an education.
    I have African-American friends and the last time I checked they couldn't choose to be European-American. Gays can choose to being gay or not being gay. Let us not let them indoctrinate a next generation into gayism, they can be gay but not turn innocent kids into gays.

    Their is no orginal sin. You are born without sin. The world introduces you into sin as you age.

    You're joking, right? This crap comes from the computer of the one who cried foul at The Heights for making a bad soy mocha latte... and you think being gay is a *choice*? It's far too absurd to be anything other than a joke. Do straight people choose to be straight, then? I distinctly remember my first crush as a young girl - and choice had nothing to do with it. Biology did.
  • anastasia beaverhausen
    anastasia beaverhausen
    worldwide trader wrote: [quote=Anastasia Beaverhausen]This disgusts me. I cannot believe that these morons don't see the hipocracy of this! They expect gays to pay taxes like everyone else, no? But then deny them the right to marry and/or adopt children?? I think I'm going to include a note to the IRS next year stating that since I don't have kids, I don't want my tax money going to pay for other's children to receive an education.
    I have African-American friends and the last time I checked they couldn't choose to be European-American. Gays can choose to being gay or not being gay. Let us not let them indoctrinate a next generation into gayism, they can be gay but not turn innocent kids into gays.

    Their is no orginal sin. You are born without sin. The world introduces you into sin as you age.

    So...which one did you choose?
  • doctorj
    doctorj
    worldwide trader wrote:
    I have African-American friends and the last time I checked they couldn't choose to be European-American. Gays can choose to being gay or not being gay.
    Now that's what I call being pro-choice.

    By the way, I get to choose not to be European-American, and some African-Americans choose to become African-Europeans.
  • underhill_mt
    underhill_mt
    ^^ Love it.
  • MOD
    MOD
    California had a protest yesterday and another one tonight in protest of prop 8. Two very long nights of rallies that warm my heart. Don't just underestimate the amount of people that are against this in the state. My whole family and cousins are in outrage over the results.
  • alafairnadia
    alafairnadia
    I heard there are some lawsuits being filed challenging the constitutionality of the prop. sweet. good luck, callie. if spain can allow gay marriage, y'all can recognize that shiz.
  • mkgartland
    mkgartland
    I was in San Fran on election night. I was very hopeful when I saw so many people wearing "no on H8" buttons. I was asked several times to vote (but I'm not a resident, just visiting). So disappointed to wake up and hear the news.

    I loved one sign I saw a (gay) guy carrying saying "Would you rather I married your daughter?".
  • boygabriel
    boygabriel
    Flexichick wrote: I loved one sign I saw a (gay) guy carrying saying "Would you rather I married your daughter?".
    lolol
  • daver
    daver
    A casualty of the "get out the Obama vote" movement? Obama is against gay marriage, although he does support gay rights.
    Obama wrote: I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman.
    Polling seems to indicate that while Obama supporters in general tended to oppose the gay marriage ban, the unusually large numbers of black voters supported the gay marriage ban by a margin of more than two to one.
  • carnivore
    carnivore
    daver wrote: A casualty of the "get out the Obama vote" movement? Obama is against gay marriage, although he does support gay rights.
    [quote=Obama]I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman.
    Polling seems to indicate that while Obama supporters in general tended to oppose the gay marriage ban, the unusually large numbers of black voters supported the gay marriage ban by a margin of more than two to one.
    Undoubtedly.

    More discussion about this on the PS Board:

    http://www.brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=483852#483852
  • carnivore
    carnivore
  • idlewild
    idlewild
    He's speaking upon deaf ears. This is where the courts have to decide if gay marriage is constitutionally guaranteed.
  • carnivore
    carnivore
    Idlewild wrote: He's speaking upon deaf ears. This is where the courts have to decide if gay marriage is constitutionally guaranteed.
    It's inevitable. The tide of opinion is turning nationwide on this, and the younger generation is overwhelmingly in favor of allowing gay marriage. The only question is whether this issue can be fought through now, or whether we have to wait for the older opposition to die off first. But eventually, those opposed to gay marriage are going to be viewed the way segregationists are now.
  • idlewild
    idlewild
    I'm not sure I share your optimism. Americans have trouble dealing with hetero sex. I actually find the intolerance prevails in the younger generation rather than older. Most of those hate attacks are done by people in their teens to their late twenties. Homophobia also knows no color, ethnic, religious or race boundaries. It's one of the few subjects which can unite warring factions. This marriage right has to be legislated for it to take effect. If gays and lesbians want this passed then they have to come out in force and start boycotting people and businesses who support the anti-gay marriage organizations. Utah is a great start. Saying that, in a way barriers are already being broken down such as domestic partner acts, hospital visits and so on.
  • daver
    daver
    A bit of perspective, via Religious Tolerance:
    It may be worth noting that a rapid change in the U.S. occurred over a little more than four decades concerning interracial marriage:
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    * In 1948, about 90% of American Adults opposed interracial marriage when the Supreme Court of California legalized it, and California became the first state that allowed loving, committed interracial couples to marry.

    * In 1967, about 72% were opposed to interracial marriage. This was the year when the U.S. Supreme Court was legalized interracial marriage everywhere in the U.S.

    * In 1991, those adults opposed to interracial marriage became a minority for the first time.

    *The change averaged slightly less than 1 percentage point per year.
    Change is coming on same-sex marriage _much_ faster. And while I hear what is being said regarding the youth, changes are coming much more rapidly in the older population.

    Some stats from Pew Research then. From Feb 2004 to March 2006 opposition to gay marriage by 18-29 year olds dropped from 32% to 25%. A significant 7% decrease, which is good. But taking a look at some other age groups reveals even bigger changes. 30-49 year olds dropped from 38% to 26% in opposition, a 12% drop. 50-64 year olds dropped from 45% to 30%, a 15% change. And last, those 65+ dropped from 58% to 33%, a huge 25% drop in opposition to gay marriage. True, the 33% of those 65+ opposed is still larger than the 25% of those 18-29, but the direction appears to be undeniable, across all age groups. I won't bother posting the numbers unless someone really wants to see them, but similar changes are happening across all groups, Republican, Democrat, Protest, Catholic, the higher the initial opposition, the larger the drops across the board.
  • sweet tea
    sweet tea
    fivethirtyeight.com on how prop 8 actually passed: old folks.

    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/prop-8-myths.html

    there's more, but here's an idea:

    Certainly, the No on 8 folks might have done a better job of outreach to California's black and Latino communities. But the notion that Prop 8 passed because of the Obama turnout surge is silly. Exit polls suggest that first-time voters -- the vast majority of whom were driven to turn out by Obama (he won 83 percent [!] of their votes) -- voted against Prop 8 by a 62-38 margin. More experienced voters voted for the measure 56-44, however, providing for its passage.

    Now, it's true that if new voters had voted against Prop 8 at the same rates that they voted for Obama, the measure probably would have failed. But that does not mean that the new voters were harmful on balance -- they were helpful on balance. If California's electorate had been the same as it was in 2004, Prop 8 would have passed by a wider margin.
  • dapearl9
    dapearl9
    A lot of people are painting this as a black and white issue which is damaging and inaccurate. A huge influence were the churches that went out of their way to campaign against it, notably the Mormon church. I for one, along with many others, propose that since these churches spent money on a political crusade against Prop 8 they should have their tax exempt status removed. Hit em in the wallet where it hurts.

    And my opinion, for the record, extends beyond Prop 8 as well. Any religious organization that infuses itself in any politics should be taxed.
  • daver
    daver
    sweet tea wrote: fivethirtyeight.com on how prop 8 actually passed: old folks.

    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/prop-8-myths.html

    there's more, but here's an idea:

    Certainly, the No on 8 folks might have done a better job of outreach to California's black and Latino communities. But the notion that Prop 8 passed because of the Obama turnout surge is silly. Exit polls suggest that first-time voters -- the vast majority of whom were driven to turn out by Obama (he won 83 percent [!] of their votes) -- voted against Prop 8 by a 62-38 margin. More experienced voters voted for the measure 56-44, however, providing for its passage.

    Now, it's true that if new voters had voted against Prop 8 at the same rates that they voted for Obama, the measure probably would have failed. But that does not mean that the new voters were harmful on balance -- they were helpful on balance. If California's electorate had been the same as it was in 2004, Prop 8 would have passed by a wider margin.
    Three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. They are making quite a handful of assumptions that may or may not be true. Just like everybody else, just _different_ assumptions.

    But at the base, you can't disagree with it anyhow. When the dam breaks, whose fault is it? The millions of gallons pressed against its back, or the relatively minor rainstorm that puts it over the edge?
  • carnivore
    carnivore
  • carnivore
    carnivore
    Some just desserts, at least!

    http://www.pamshouseblend.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=8284
  • daver
    daver
    Carnivore wrote: Some just desserts, at least!

    http://www.pamshouseblend.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=8284
    Kinda mean spirited, and not entirely accurate. The layoffs there in the last two months total about 250 people. The amount of money they put into Prop. 8 would fund less than twenty for a year. So the whole priorities questions isn't really in play. But let us say it is, for the sake of argument. Does the organization exist for the purpose of providing jobs, or does the organization actually have a different purpose? Let us review their mission statement: "To cooperate with the Holy Spirit in sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ with as many people as possible by nurturing and defending the God-ordained institution of the family and promoting biblical truths worldwide." I would think that their Prop. 8 activities do more to serve their stated mission than providing employment.

    *shrug*

    Just my thoughts. On a final note, I hate to see people losing their employment and their ability to support their families in any manner, and hardly see it as a cause for celebration, or a time to state that they got their "just deserts."

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