incident at Underhill Playground
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ketchup AND mustard. and relish if they got it. and heap on the kraut!
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ChristinafromBklyn wrote: [quote=beeninbrooklyn][quote=ChristinafromBklyn][quote=RBG]Uh-oh! The colonizers have arrived at Underhill Playground. You're in control now. Why not just put up a sign that says, "No Blacks Allowed?"
How do you know WHAT color anybody posting on this board are? What, you don't think black people can determine bad behavior when they see it?
You don't get it at all.
Christina - I agree completely in spirit, and who in the eat buhjezus wants crazy people around their kids. But the original post smacked of a disdain that's hard to miss...like I'm so sick of the people in this neighborhood I'm going to call the cops on them kind of disdain. I mean "ghetto" and "thug" really? Was Rush Limbaugh coaching her?
I really think she is just calling it like she sees it. I can't stand ninnies either with "the sky is falling" attitudes, but I think this is clearly not the case. Listen, coming from a black person or a white person if the shoe fits and someone(whatever their color) is acting "ghetto" or "thug" then they deserve to have it used when describing their behavior.
I think it's an exaggeration to say that "Limbaugh" coached her.
Maybe...but there's something to be said for language reflecting one's perspective. I have friends from South Boston who detest the phrase "Poor White you know what" because, of course, when they were kids people hurled it at them...Ghetto and pwt are equivalent in my mind and I always look at people (of all colors) sideways when they speak like that. Whether it would have been PWT, Ghetto, thug, coolie it's hard to believe that someone who speaks like that doesn't have a certain perception that enters into their interactions. It would have been more than sufficient to say that she was beligerent and threatining and to describe the incident...no need to paint a picture of the boogeyman. -
per Beeninbrooklyn: Christina - I agree completely in spirit, and who in the eat buhjezus wants crazy people around their kids. But the original post smacked of a disdain that's hard to miss...like I'm so sick of the people in this neighborhood I'm going to call the cops on them kind of disdain. I mean "ghetto" and "thug" really? Was Rush Limbaugh coaching her?
Race/Class/Education or hair color, I agree the post sounded disdainful and a bit entitled. Choice words mentioned above are less likely to be leveled at ignorant parents of same race/class/education or hair color. I was amused by the "could have had a knife" part of it though.(included for what reason if unsubstantiated) If ANYTHING is an indication of the color of those involved, I think that was. (because are we really going to be so PC here as to not acknowledge that hyperbolic assumptions lie in lack of cultural affinity)
And all of that is OK, if we just don't pretend it's anything else. The Hummer Lady is scary and scared, different types of people are trying to co-exist and it's not easy. But if this story inspires anything, shouldn't it be that these NEIGHBORS (speaking generally, not about offending parties) should be looking to see how they can gather and create a real community out of the thrown together bits they have now.
Note: A friend of mine gentrified a neighborhood in Bed Stuy. Although the old neighbors and a group of 30 or so newcomers were all the same color, class differences threatened to increase tensions until they started a block association. Now, peace and block parties ensue. -
whynot_31 wrote: http://www.skylinechili.com/menu.pdf
it's a toss up between that and this.
Welcome Bobby! Does skyline go too far? -
Wow, 4900 calories.
...people appreciating such fine delicacies would never act like fools in a playground.
That's the solution. Convert the bathrooms into a snack bar.
People will stuff their face with bad food 3.5 days a week (we'd have organic free-roam vegetables the other 3.5 days).
Everyone would be too busy eating to worry about pink barbie cars. -
beeninbrooklyn wrote: Maybe...but there's something to be said for language reflecting one's perspective. I have friends from South Boston who detest the phrase "Poor White you know what" because, of course, when they were kids people hurled it at them...Ghetto and pwt are equivalent in my mind and I always look at people (of all colors) sideways when they speak like that. Whether it would have been PWT, Ghetto, thug, coolie it's hard to believe that someone who speaks like that doesn't have a certain perception that enters into their interactions. It would have been more than sufficient to say that she was beligerent and threatining and to describe the incident...no need to paint a picture of the boogeyman.
This I can agree with, words certainly can paint a picture and be hurtful. But don't words like "hipster", "yuppie" and even "entitled", three words I see a lot on this board and hear a lot in Brooklyn, also color people's perceptions and thusly affect their interactions? -
booklaw wrote:
Yes, my reaction is based on class...as in I have some and wouldn't use the language OP did as a result. By his own admission, OP wasn't the model of social grace .. Of course OP didn't come out and say "I'm so sick of the people in this neighborhood I'm going to call the cops on them every time I get a chance." He, afterall, has Rush feeding him message points
He never said or suggested he was sick of the people in the neighborhood... just of the couple who harassed him and his kid in the playground.
If you find that troublesome, I submit that your reaction appears to be based on class.
which is exactly what I was saying: stop with the veiled comments and acknowledge it is trying to communicate with people that may be different than you in various ways including communciation styles. Do you even live in this neighborhood? I can't even address your other points ecause they're inconguent...who cares about West Point? DId WP person make a veiled, incendiary comments on a message board back in the 50's? -
Superclam wrote: [quote=beeninbrooklyn]Maybe...but there's something to be said for language reflecting one's perspective. I have friends from South Boston who detest the phrase "Poor White you know what" because, of course, when they were kids people hurled it at them...Ghetto and pwt are equivalent in my mind and I always look at people (of all colors) sideways when they speak like that. Whether it would have been PWT, Ghetto, thug, coolie it's hard to believe that someone who speaks like that doesn't have a certain perception that enters into their interactions. It would have been more than sufficient to say that she was beligerent and threatining and to describe the incident...no need to paint a picture of the boogeyman.
This I can agree with, words certainly can paint a picture and be hurtful. But don't words like "hipster", "yuppie" and even "entitled", three words I see a lot on this board and hear a lot in Brooklyn, also color people's
perceptions and thusly affect their interactions?
Honestly people-language has very fine lines and I fully agree that people need to empathize with those they are communicating with. But there has to be a point where things can be expressed and people aren't walking soooo delicately on the egg shells that their feet can't touch the very important ground.
I really liked the Bed-Stuy story btw. That is an example of an effective way of handling differences. -
Superclam wrote: [quote=beeninbrooklyn]Maybe...but there's something to be said for language reflecting one's perspective. I have friends from South Boston who detest the phrase "Poor White you know what" because, of course, when they were kids people hurled it at them...Ghetto and pwt are equivalent in my mind and I always look at people (of all colors) sideways when they speak like that. Whether it would have been PWT, Ghetto, thug, coolie it's hard to believe that someone who speaks like that doesn't have a certain perception that enters into their interactions. It would have been more than sufficient to say that she was beligerent and threatining and to describe the incident...no need to paint a picture of the boogeyman.
This I can agree with, words certainly can paint a picture and be hurtful. But don't words like "hipster", "yuppie" and even "entitled", three words I see a lot on this board and hear a lot in Brooklyn, also color people's perceptions and thusly affect their interactions? yup. -
ChristinafromBklyn wrote:
Uh-Greed!!
But there has to be a point where things can be expressed and people aren't walking soooo delicately on the egg shells that their feet can't touch the very important ground. -
Ketchup? How old are you? Five? It's mustard all the way. Mit sauerkraut. Or chili.
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welcome German!
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GermanHermann wrote: Ketchup? How old are you? Five? It's mustard all the way. Mit sauerkraut. Or chili.
mmm... chili dog.
I've never had the famous Cincinnati 5-way chili, is it any good? Something about chili on spaghetti doesn't feel right to me. -
wow, way to derail a topic and expose your own issues and prejudices.
I was going to clarify my and my family's race and (imagined) class, but it's much more informative to see the conclusions some of you make based on nothing but your own preconceptions. A little disheartening really, but informative.
(except for the hot dog comments, keep those comin) -
Skyline is not very good. ...but its cheap.
Cheap was important in college. College was in Ohio. -
Cincinnati chili is with a layer of finely chopped raw onion, no? That's the way to eat. Servus, Whynot_31.
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yes, and served on a hotdog.
....but I don't think mustard is even available.
Bratwurst, etc.
But, I must go now. I have attempted to derail the thread with only moderate success, and it is Friday.
I will now let people discuss trashy, foolish adults in the playground unimpeded by my bored inane posts. -
http://www.hotdougs.com/menu.htm
Best dogs in the union.
If you ask for ketchup in Hot Doug's you will probably get the same reaction as if your kid grabbed that pink hummer. -
Lo Kee, I leave this thread in your capable hands
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The differences in "communication style" between people of different classes/races/whatever is moot in this situation.
Getting loud and combative and in people's personal space is wrong and a sign of a shithead - wherever you come from.
This is coming from a poor Latino kid who grew up in not nice at all Bushwick and East New York 35 yrs ago.
There's a right way to speak to people and there's the asshole way. And it's not about grammar or your accent or whatever.
Wanna get into stereotypes - Dominicans (me included) get loud when they're hanging out w/ friends and families and having a few drinks. But anyone unfamiliar w/ Dominican would immediately suss out that no one's fighting or mad at each other. They're just loud.
What happened in the park doesn't read like it was a misunderstanding between city mouse and country mouse - some asshole got way too loud and abusive and threatening over nothing.
It's insulting to me that some seem to think that this is a case of poor and uneducated people speaking and comporting themselves like classless, savage animals. -
Lo Kee wrote: If you ask for ketchup in Hot Doug's you will probably get the same reaction as if your kid grabbed that pink hummer.
thanks for making me lol -
Dekker Dad wrote: wow, way to derail a topic and expose your own issues and prejudices.
... wouldn't you agree, that unless you consider yourself "ghetto" there are some perceived differences there, and that it is perhaps inappropriate to frame situation in that way regardless of your race(s) and/or class?
I was going to clarify my and my family's race and (imagined) class, but it's much more informative to see the conclusions some of you make based on nothing but your own preconceptions. A little disheartening really, but informative.
(except for the hot dog comments, keep those comin) -
BoogieKnight wrote: The differences in "communication style" between people of different classes/races/whatever is moot in this situation.
When I first moved to this neighborhood like 9 yrs ago, I was backing into a parking space on Washington and St John's when this guy tried to pull in head first. Not nice. I backed in and he started yelling at me...I proceeded to tell him about himself, and what the rule's of decent society are. ..That night when I was happily pulling on to the QB to visit mom each one of my tires blew out...he had sliced my freaking tires, he literally could have killed me. Looking back I should've just found another space...the point is if someone is that crazy let it go. Of course he was an a-hole and if OP's descrip. is correct so is this Hummer woman. But OP's credibility has now shot down because of the way she chose to describe and handle the situation. It's not necessary to add fuel to the flame in the re-telling, just the facts are enough. As I said, I find it hard to believe that the perceptions of one another didn't enter into the interaction, regardless of who was wrong. This guy, for instance, probably assumed I'd be mild mannered. I could tell you about him what I thought of his attitiude etc, but I'm much more credible if I leave it at his behavior, which was deplorable. I just think it's much safer to tell someone in between like John and find a playspace in the meantime if you feel threatened...I know how quickly tempers can rise when kids are involved and glad to see this didn't boil over even more.
Getting loud and combative and in people's personal space is wrong and a sign of a shithead - wherever you come from.
This is coming from a poor Latino kid who grew up in not nice at all Bushwick and East New York 35 yrs ago.
There's a right way to speak to people and there's the asshole way. And it's not about grammar or your accent or whatever.
Wanna get into stereotypes - Dominicans (me included) get loud when they're hanging out w/ friends and families and having a few drinks. But anyone unfamiliar w/ Dominican would immediately suss out that no one's fighting or mad at each other. They're just loud.
What happened in the park doesn't read like it was a misunderstanding between city mouse and country mouse - some asshole got way too loud and abusive and threatening over nothing.
It's insulting to me that some seem to think that this is a case of poor and uneducated people speaking and comporting themselves like classless,savage animals. -
Colonizers, RGB? You must be referring to yourself: fancy car, college education, expensive co-op, and arrogant attitude. Color alone does not a memership make.
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Don't mess with a ghetto person's stuff!? Thought you knew! You don't know what she did for that hummer! All her life she had to fight! And your kid thinks she owns the world just rolls up in it without asking! Oh heeeeeeell no. That's a fight!
I prefer private playgrounds. I can't have my kids mixing and mingling with crazy people and dirty equipment like that. Plus, didn't some kid get stabbed recently on a slide in NYC? -
Brooklynbound wrote: Don't mess with a ghetto person's stuff!? Thought you knew! You don't know what she did for that hummer! All her life she had to fight! And your kid thinks she owns the world just rolls up in it without asking! Oh heeeeeeell no. That's a fight!
Private playgrounds? That's a joke, right...
I prefer private playgrounds. I can't have my kids mixing and mingling with crazy people and dirty equipment like that. Plus, didn't some kid get stabbed recently on a slide in NYC? -
thats some wild shit, ive been at the park everyday for almost 4 months i love how as soon as it gets warm the HOOD starts to come out.. shits pretty comical either way that lady with the barbie thing SUCKS at LIFE .. her dude SUCKS at LIFE and sad to say their kid may also SUCK at LIFE later on in LIFE if they make it that far...
but dont deprive your kid of playing in the park.. bring her back and just let kids be kids.. fuck all the adult bullshit ... -
Pink Humer huh? Well if they have a problem with other kids touching it, they should lease a space at the garage and park it there.
If you can't share, dont bring it. Those people are crazy , wherever they are from.
Pink Hummer, isn't that an oxymoron?
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