incident at Underhill Playground
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raisedeyebrow wrote: Pink Hummer, isn't that an oxymoron?
it is a metaphor -
LincolnAnnex wrote: Not for nothing, but why would one assume that a flashy toy like that would be a 'public toy'? I know that kids wander and explore, and regardless of this thought, the actions of those two were terribly unwarranted, but I can't help but think that this whole thing could have easily been avoided. Color me ignorant if you see otherwise, but the large logic leap there as to the 'status' of the toy is flawed. That being said, it's sounds like you handled the ensuing argument/confrontation well and I hope that you and your dear never have to face that again. Sorry to hear about this.
My thoughts too. As a kid, I was never allowed to go near strangers or touch their stuff. I've never heard of a "public toy" before. I would guess that a "public toy" would be a huge concrete object nailed into the side walk at a park that kids could climb on. -
"God", let me know the next time you will be hanging out at the Underhill playground - my daughter wants to meet you.
I am sorry, but if it is pink, my kid is going to try to carjack the hummer, no doubt about it.
There are many toys I will not let my kids take to that playground. When she takes her pink scooter, all hell breaks loose.
Thank "God" we don't have a pink monster stroller.
Regardless, unless their child is in imminent danger, any parent going ballistic at that playground most likely has some kind of emotional or mental problem. -
raw wrote: [quote=LincolnAnnex]Not for nothing, but why would one assume that a flashy toy like that would be a 'public toy'? I know that kids wander and explore, and regardless of this thought, the actions of those two were terribly unwarranted, but I can't help but think that this whole thing could have easily been avoided. Color me ignorant if you see otherwise, but the large logic leap there as to the 'status' of the toy is flawed. That being said, it's sounds like you handled the ensuing argument/confrontation well and I hope that you and your dear never have to face that again. Sorry to hear about this.
My thoughts too. As a kid, I was never allowed to go near strangers or touch their stuff. I've never heard of a "public toy" before. I would guess that a "public toy" would be a huge concrete object nailed into the side walk at a park that kids could climb on.
Good point, range. If I see a nice range rover, I don't go try to play in it. It's not mine. I guess I was raised the same way, always get permission before you touch other people's stuff. I drove a toy army tank as a kid. NO ONE could touch it. Ha! -
raw wrote: [quote=LincolnAnnex]Not for nothing, but why would one assume that a flashy toy like that would be a 'public toy'? I know that kids wander and explore, and regardless of this thought, the actions of those two were terribly unwarranted, but I can't help but think that this whole thing could have easily been avoided. Color me ignorant if you see otherwise, but the large logic leap there as to the 'status' of the toy is flawed. That being said, it's sounds like you handled the ensuing argument/confrontation well and I hope that you and your dear never have to face that again. Sorry to hear about this.
My thoughts too. As a kid, I was never allowed to go near strangers or touch their stuff. I've never heard of a "public toy" before. I would guess that a "public toy" would be a huge concrete object nailed into the side walk at a park that kids could climb on.
Many public parks have toys which are put out each morning and shared by kids. I am suspecting that many of you don;t have children..
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The Underhill playground has many toys (including at least 2 or 3 "riding" cars or tricycles) there for the enjoyment of all the children. I am not certain who provides them, but the children are all free to use them.
I doubt a 2 year old can distinguish between the toys provided by the playground and those brought by parents, but I am glad there are several posters in this thread who can tell the difference and were raised better than to touch other person's toys without permission.
From this point on, you will not be considered among the troublemakers at Underhill Playground.
I am guessing you were hall monitors in grade school, right? -
pima wrote: The Underhill playground has many toys (including at least 2 or 3 "riding" cars or tricycles) there for the enjoyment of all the children. I am not certain who provides them, but the children are all free to use them.
Woah. Looks like that struck a chord. I was a hall monitor in sixth grade. Good times.
I doubt a 2 year old can distinguish between the toys provided by the playground and those brought by parents, but I am glad there are several posters in this thread who can tell the difference and were raised better than to touch other person's toys without permission.
From this point on, you will not be considered among the troublemakers at Underhill Playground.
I am guessing you were hall monitors in grade school, right? -
Oh and DDad, welcome to Brooklynian
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The standing rule in our house is that if you don't want to share an item with another child outside your family you may not bring it to the playground. Period!
I've heard many a parent explain this to their child on the playground, I assumed that this was the norm for ALL! -
kick rocks!!!! wrote: The standing rule in our house is that if you don't want to share an item with another child outside your family you may not bring it to the playground. Period!
Its the norm in my household.
I've heard many a parent explain this to their child on the playground, I assumed that this was the norm for ALL! -
From the OP's first post I'll say. Calling anyone "ghetto" shows some serious racist attitudes. Secondly, you'd have to be an idiot to think a fancy pink barbie hummer is a public toy. If someone put an expensive toy like that for the public to use it would be stolen in a few hours.
Finally, I too was raised not to play with anything that is not yours, even as a tiny tot. I wish we could hear the other side of this story. I bet that lady has different story to tell.
And no ketchup on hot dogs, fries is a whole 'nuther matter. -
mamacita, read the other posts before calling people idiots. if you'd bothered to read before commenting, you'd see that there are in fact "fancy" looking public toys at this playground, and that most people who bring toys to the playground understand that if you bring toys, other kids are going to get curious about them.
and i'd wager a guess that you haven't been involved in raising a kid since you yourself were reared. (and i'm doubting you have perfect recall of what you did, and how your folks responded, when you were TWO YEARS OLD.) 2-year olds are not *raised,* they are in the process of *being raised,* and that's what dekker dad was trying to do. in my house, raising a kid does not equal just sitting there (or, what, feeling gentrifier's guilt?) when someone decides to become physically aggressive to me or my child if the kid makes a mistake. raising a kid also does not equal teaching them that if someone touches something that's mine, the proper response is to go ballistic.
and, no hot dogs period. and certainly no ketchup. hot sausage and mustard only. -
thelambchop wrote: and, no hot dogs period. and certainly no ketchup. hot sausage and mustard only.
That is a position I can respect. -
I still want to hear what the other lady had to say. Message boards can be very one sided when you only have one person's telling of the story. And public, expensive toys? Wow, I forget I live in such a yuppiefied area sometimes.
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Mamacita wrote: I still want to hear what the other lady had to say. Message boards can be very one sided when you only have one person's telling of the story. And public, expensive toys? Wow, I forget I live in such a yuppiefied area sometimes.
It doesn't matter if it's the Hope Diamond or a yo-yo with a broken string, if you don't want small kids who don't know any better to touch it, don't bring it with you. -
True, and same logic can be applied at Beaver taking her boobies with me to NY bars
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i agree, it would be interesting to hear what she had to say. from the postings here and on underhill playground yahoo group, i actually don't think the totality of the story would be much different. she'd probably say that the dad was an arrogant yuppie who started it/deserved it, and she isn't ghetto, which (and forgive me if i put words in mouths unfairly) it seems a lot of posters here already assumed anyway.
i didn't see the toy, have no idea how expensive it looks, and have no idea how expensive the "actual" public toys are. but it's funny to me that "public, expensive toys" gets a "wow," yet people taking private, expensive toys to a public playground expecting no one to touch them seems a-ok to you. -
Mamacita wrote: True, and same logic can be applied at Beaver taking her boobies with me to NY bars
The feminists yell at me whenever I use such logic. -
Mamacita wrote: True, and same logic can be applied at Beaver taking her boobies with me to NY bars
If I didn't, you'd be paying for all your drinks. :P
Now stop getting me off topic and pitu yells at me. -
I know Whynot, it's a total double standard. The way to fight back is to objectify your male friends and talk about their nads.
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Mamacita wrote: I know Whynot, it's a total double standard. The way to fight back is to objectify your male friends and talk about their nads.
I've worked at non-profits who have been fighting poverty with poverty for 20 years, so I'm familiar with the tactic. -
thelambchop has it right. any parent who has spent more than a little time at the playground knows the rules. there are so many balls, dolls, scooters, mini-strollers, and other toys sitting around that it's next to impossible to keep your toddler away from everything. the best you can do is to try to keep your kid from absconding too far with items that obviously are privately-owned and on the larger/more expensive side. i think most parents follow this general approach.
i would wager a mini-escalade (if i had one) that not a single commenter in this thread who thinks toddlers act improperly when they play with random toys at a playground has ever raised or supervised a toddler. or maybe your kids hang out at the Ayn Rand Center for Play and Inviolate Property Rights. -
shark week wrote: or maybe your kids hang out at the Ayn Rand Center for Play and Inviolate Property Rights.
Wow. I just laughed so hard that coffee just about came out of my nose. -
Subject: underhill park pink hummer girl
Look I've lived on St. John's between Washington and Underhill just about all my life. I grew up in the neighborhood you lived and watched it change from good to bad and back to so called good once again. You misunderstood the lady because she was combative I do agree on that but she also told you what her issue was personally it was not the children. I would like to hear what she yelled at you about. I do know she was wrong to direct her anger or insecurities toward you and others at the part (could be because she cant anywhere else). Yes I am a African American male and I have graduated from college and can clearly as you can see speak properly and be respectful. The issue became when you fussed back at her you created your own issue on that turn the cheek and go your way. I personally am going out there this weekend saturday because its going to be a nice day with my son and will be looking for her and my son will zero in on the car and i want to see her behavior. if she has a problem we will settle it without police nor incident. I will reply when i find her. -
Umm what happened to my latest post here from Monday night? I criticized something mamacita said in her original post. (along the lines of "I didn't have time to read the thread but based on the first post blah blah blah...) Next thing I know my post is gone and her offending post is edited. What's up with that? Is mamacita a moderator or something? Is there some wierd rule where people can make things vanish if they get embarrassed?
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madman wrote: Umm what happened to my latest post here from Monday night? I criticized something mamacita said in her original post. (along the lines of "I didn't have time to read the thread but based on the first post blah blah blah...) Next thing I know my post is gone and her offending post is edited. What's up with that? Is mamacita a moderator or something? Is there some wierd rule where people can make things vanish if they get embarrassed?
I find it strange that you haven't received and answer to your question yet. What did you write? I know Mamacita(from her posts)to be totally stand-up, so maybe there is an explanation.
I'll tell you, there has been so much more that I've wanted to write regarding this whole thing, but I haven't had the time or the head for it...
Anyway...
Mod Note: I thought I locked this thread because I felt it was turning into pure bickering not discussion. I see it's not locked? Maybe I fucked it up? My sincere apologies to Madman for his deleted post I see I messed something up, which happens. But I'm now closing this thread, like I thought I did, before it spirals deeper into arguing to arguments sake.
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