White House Stupidity Today
Did anyone see this today? Who is the moron who authorized this photo op? Bloomberg says he didn't know about it and is furious.
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Video_Shows_Panic_As_Plane_Buzzes_NYC_New_York.html
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Video_Shows_Panic_As_Plane_Buzzes_NYC_New_York.html
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...Negative Ghostrider, the pattern is full...
Heh, and I thought HE was the Maverick...
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Very poor judgment, to say the least. I can only imagine how terrified all those people were.
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The guy who authorized this needs to lose his job.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090428/ap_on_re_us/us_low_flying_plane;_ylt=ArPVI0_d9b5c2Ge9EjK2ZBxH2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTJtdDFqZTQ3BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkwNDI4L3VzX2xvd19mbHlpbmdfcGxhbmUEY3BvcwM3BHBvcwM3BHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcmllcwRzbGsDamV0Zmx5b3Zlcmlu
A "friend who is on this list" forwarded this to me, if you read it, it seem clear NYC's Office of Emergency Management wasn't even appraised of it in advance, only after the fact.
...alway bad when one creates panic among those who are supposed to know of such things.
From: NYC OEM [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:30 AM
Subject: FAA Authorized Flyover over Lower Manhattan Area
Mon Apr 27 10:29:29 2009
STATUS: Open - Active
PROGNOSIS: Monitoring
Aviation-Flyover
Manhattan Lower Manhattan Area
To OEM All Call..
The FAA Regional Operations Center has advised Watch Command that a coordinated flyover involving a 747 and several military airplanes was authorized along the Hudson River in the vicinity of Lower Manhattan. The aerial mission is completed, and there is no emergency situation at this time.
RESPONDING UNITS: OEM MONITORING
INCIDENT NO: Inc-102016-671-042709 -
I can't buy that the NYPD knew about it but Bloomberg didn't...
But yeah, incredibly stupid decision to not tell people. When I lived in DC and they were doing things like this they'd always notify the news so the public was aware. -
...you'd think OEM would be among those told.
Perhaps a press release, something on 1010 WINS. Idiots. -
How much did this cost? Photoshop would have been much cheaper Barry.
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eggcream wrote: How much did this cost? Photoshop would have been much cheaper Barry.
You're kidding, right? You think somehow that Obama was behind this? -
Carnivore wrote: [quote=eggcream]How much did this cost? Photoshop would have been much cheaper Barry.
You're kidding, right? You think somehow that Obama was behind this?
anything anyone working for a government agency does first gets an explicit okay from Obama. Didn't you know that? -
exactly, part of my salary is federally funded, and this post is explicitedly authorized by him.
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vidro3 wrote: [quote=Carnivore][quote=eggcream]How much did this cost? Photoshop would have been much cheaper Barry.
You're kidding, right? You think somehow that Obama was behind this?
anything anyone working for a government agency does first gets an explicit okay from Obama. Didn't you know that?
Yet somehow Bush and Cheney aren't responsible for a systematic torture program that they explicitly authorized... :roll: -
Carnivore wrote: [quote=vidro3][quote=Carnivore][quote=eggcream]How much did this cost? Photoshop would have been much cheaper Barry.
You're kidding, right? You think somehow that Obama was behind this?
anything anyone working for a government agency does first gets an explicit okay from Obama. Didn't you know that?
Yet somehow Bush and Cheney aren't responsible for a systematic torture program that they explicitly authorized... :roll:
Exactly! Now you're getting it. -
it's been reported ,it cost $40,000.00 an hour to fly Air Force One.
If Markowitz knew about the flight beforehand he would have had it flown over Atlantic Yards. -
Carnivore wrote: [quote=eggcream]How much did this cost? Photoshop would have been much cheaper Barry.
You're kidding, right? You think somehow that Obama was behind this?
And you think he didn't know? BS. There are schedules to get Air Force One, plus two Boeing 747's that fly with it, in the air.
It cost over 353,000.00 by the way. Maybe the oil executives can chastise Barry. This had to have been scheduled to make sure Barry didn't need the plane that day. He's the only one that can fly on this plane and you think he didn't know. Don't you think the Dept. of Homeland Security should have known? She of course is claiming she knew nothing.Nobody in the White House knew? BS. They threw this guy Caldera under the bus. And that dopey Gibbs telling that reporter who asked about it to contact the White House. The idiot is the White House. What if there was an emergency in the WH and Barry had to be evacuated. Uh, where's uh my uh plane. Sorry Bar, we don't know. -
Carnivore wrote: [quote=vidro3][quote=Carnivore][quote=eggcream]How much did this cost? Photoshop would have been much cheaper Barry.
You're kidding, right? You think somehow that Obama was behind this?
anything anyone working for a government agency does first gets an explicit okay from Obama. Didn't you know that?
Yet somehow Bush and Cheney aren't responsible for a systematic torture program that they explicitly authorized... :roll:
You left out Nancy Pelosi and other high ranking lying dems who not only knew but wanted to make sure waterboarding was enough. -
Wait, I know what happened now. Barry's Teleprompter broke down and Barry couldn't read about where his plane was yesterday.
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Even if he knew there was going to be some photo op with the plane, do you honestly think he had anything to do with the flight plan?
That's just bullshit Fox talking points. Come back when you have a real issue. -
eggcream wrote: Wait, I know what happened now. Barry's Teleprompter broke down and Barry couldn't read about where his plane was yesterday.
You do know that there are (at least) several planes that are used as Air Force One, right? :roll: -
Carnivore wrote: Even if he knew there was going to be some photo op with the plane, do you honestly think he had anything to do with the flight plan?
Makes life so much easier to blame everything on Fox and Bush doesn't it. That's how ol Barry got elected. All this could have been avoided if the Dimwits used Photoshop. And it's a real issue to the people who were running scared.
That's just bullshit Fox talking points. Come back when you have a real issue. -
VoodooNYC wrote: [quote=eggcream]Wait, I know what happened now. Barry's Teleprompter broke down and Barry couldn't read about where his plane was yesterday.
You do know that there are (at least) several planes that are used as Air Force One, right? :roll:
Yeah, and your point is? Oh, 2 planes doesn't warrant Barry knowing where the planes are. -
Since it's not a "real issue" I wonder why the Feds wanted it kept secret.
FAA Memo: Feds Knew NYC Flyover Would Cause Panic
Link is not a FOX link:
http://wcbstv.com/topstories/air.force.one.2.996457.html -
eggcream wrote: And you think he didn't know? BS. There are schedules to get Air Force One, plus two Boeing 747's that fly with it, in the air.
Obama was at an event on the West Coast. One of the two planes that serve as AF1 was there, providing transportation for him. This was the backup plane. The idea that the President of the US personally micromanages the "schedules" of those planes is simply ridiculous. He's barely managing his own schedule. -
bleibtreu wrote: [quote=eggcream]And you think he didn't know? BS. There are schedules to get Air Force One, plus two Boeing 747's that fly with it, in the air.
Obama was at an event on the West Coast. One of the two planes that serve as AF1 was there, providing transportation for him. This was the backup plane. The idea that the President of the US personally micromanages the "schedules" of those planes is simply ridiculous. He's barely managing his own schedule.
Exactly. -
When you say Barry, I think you mean Marion Barry, former mayor of Washington, DC . . . just so you know, it's a pretty ineffective term of disrespect, which appears to be what you're going for.
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pitu wrote: When you say Barry, I think you mean Marion Barry, former mayor of Washington, DC . . just so you know, it's a pretty ineffective term of disrespect, which appears to be what you're going for.
Well actually, he's probably just using Obama's one-time nickname as an ineffective term of disrespect. He was known as Barry while younger, but adopted more regular use of his formal name as he grew up, while in college. -
I thought he was talking about Barry White.
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Posts like these remind me how Republicans are increasingly headed towards a decently long stay in the political wilderness.
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bleibtreu wrote: [quote=eggcream]And you think he didn't know? BS. There are schedules to get Air Force One, plus two Boeing 747's that fly with it, in the air.
Obama was at an event on the West Coast. One of the two planes that serve as AF1 was there, providing transportation for him. This was the backup plane. The idea that the President of the US personally micromanages the "schedules" of those planes is simply ridiculous. He's barely managing his own schedule.
Where did I say Barry micromanages the "schedules"? I said he knows about them. His schedule is planned in advance. It takes time to get these planes in the air. Why was it decided to be kept a secret? Did they really think flying these 747's over the Hudson would go unnoticed? Who was doing the photography and who was on the passenger list. Lots of questions to be answered. -
eggcream wrote: Where did I say Barry micromanages the "schedules"? I said he knows about them. His schedule is planned in advance. It takes time to get these planes in the air. Why was it decided to be kept a secret? Did they really think flying these 747's over the Hudson would go unnoticed? Who was doing the photography and who was on the passenger list. Lots of questions to be answered.
It's hilarious that you obsess over the minutia of this stuff when even if Obama had anything to do with it, which is highly unlikely, it's nothing more than a PR gaffe, not some sinister plot or malfeasance. Meanwhile, you showed absolutely no interest in pursuing actual crimes committed by the previous administration.
Boygabriel is right on target here. If this is the best that the Repug attack machine can come up with, they're going to be in trouble for a long time. -
what in god's name are you talking about? they notified the city govt AND NYPD, who failed to publicize it or pass it up to the Mayor's office.
On to your next made up controversy that has nothing to do with actually governing a country...
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/28/the-forgotten-e-mail-that-rocked-new-york/April 28, 2009, 5:54 pm
The Forgotten E-Mail That Rocked New York
By Fernanda Santos
On Monday, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg was fuming. On Tuesday, he was forgiving, characterizing the actions of a low-level manager who failed to notify him or his superiors of a planned flyover exercise in Lower Manhattan as merely a mistake.
Perhaps it was because the mayor had already punished the manager, Marc Mugnos, with a letter of reprimand (and, presumably, a tongue-lashing). Perhaps it was because of all the apologies the city had received — from Mr. Mugnos, most likely, and also from the White House. (President Obama has ordered a review of the matter.)
“The guy just didn’t do it. He read the thing and just didn’t do it,” Mayor Bloomberg told reporters during a news conference at City Hall, referring to Mr. Mugnos’s inaction after receiving an e-mail message last Thursday from the Federal Aviation Administration, notifying him of the plans for a flyover by F-16s and a backup to Air Force One. (The New York Police Department received the same e-mail message.)
That might be all in the past for Mr. Bloomberg, but a lot of people out there are wondering who Mr. Mugnos is and why the F.A.A. would pick him to share information about what turned out to be a nerve-rattling event for those who live and work in Lower Manhattan, particularly those who were there on Sept. 11, 2001.
Here’s what City Room has been able to find out:
Mr. Mugnos joined city government in 2000 as a director of operations for the Sports Commission. It was his first job after graduating from college; he had obtained a bachelor of science degree, with a major in marketing, from Lehigh University in Bethlehem, Pa., that June, according to an announcement published in the time in The Putnam County News and Recorder, a weekly newspaper. (Montel Williams was the commencement speaker, the announcement notes.)
Mr. Mugnos occupied the post until May 2007, when he was brought to the newly formed Office of Citywide Event Coordination and Management under the same title, director of operations, at an annual salary of $60,000, city officials said.
As director of operations, Mr. Mugnos is in charge of making sure that the public events held in the city — everything from parades to street fairs and the New Year’s Eve celebration in Times Square — are properly staffed. He also coordinates the logistics for those events with the various agencies that issue permits for street activities, like the Police and Parks Departments and the Office of Film, Theater and Broadcasting, the officials said.
His job is part of the broad mandate of an agency that functions as a clearinghouse of sorts for every public event held in the city, coordinating them, spreading information about them and making sure that permit-holders are following the rules.
Mr. Mugnos’s relationship with the F.A.A. dates almost as far back as his 23-month tenure in the agency. Together, they have coordinated the no-fly zone established at the United States Open tennis tournament, held every year in late August and early September in Queens, and worked out the logistics for the Red Arrows air show, held last summer on Staten Island.
“That history is why they used him as a contact,” Jason Post, a spokesman for the mayor, said in an e-mail message.
Mystery solved.
Mr. Mugnos could not be reached for comment. Mr. Bloomberg said that his was an error in judgment, that he has been reprimanded and that “we’ve all learned something” from the situation. “Now,” the mayor added, “it’s time to make sure our procedures are better and to get on with other things.”
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