question-Brooklyn Buildings-What is the difference?
Hi everyone,
So i posted on here awhile back, and recieved an awesome and very helpful amount of feedback, regarding neighborhoods. Since I have continued my search, Ive come across lots of different names for buildings (in Brooklyn). Can anyone here clear up with a
co op is?
walk up?
brownstone?
multi family?
which one of these is a big apartment building, that houses individual apt. rooms, ei. with a fire escape, brick. ect??
Silly question, but no realtor clears this up for me!
Thanks in advance! :oops:
So i posted on here awhile back, and recieved an awesome and very helpful amount of feedback, regarding neighborhoods. Since I have continued my search, Ive come across lots of different names for buildings (in Brooklyn). Can anyone here clear up with a
co op is?
walk up?
brownstone?
multi family?
which one of these is a big apartment building, that houses individual apt. rooms, ei. with a fire escape, brick. ect??
Silly question, but no realtor clears this up for me!
Thanks in advance! :oops:
Comments
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A co-op is a form of building ownership - any style of building can be a co-op, although they are more common in larger buildings. I'm guessing that you are renting, so the only thing to note in a co-op is you may be renting directly from the owner of the unit (as opposed to renting from an owner of a whole building).
Walk-up is any building without an elevator.
Brownstones are generally older buildings (often built 1890-1910 in this area) with three or four floors and a facade consisting of stone (usually brown, but sometimes painted other colors). They rarely have elevators. Since they are older buildings, interior conditons vary widely - some have amazing period detail - others are falling apart.
Multi-family is fairly vague - its just any building with more than one unit. -
thank you!
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A co-op refers to the way a building is owned. Rather than own your apartment outright, you own shares in the corporation that owns your building. I believe the # of shares is determined by the area of your apt. It's different than a condo, in which you own the apartment directly.
A walk-up is just that, no elevator, you have to walk up to your apt. These can be rentals or owned units. They usually aren't taller than 6 stories, for obvious reasons.
A brownstone specifically refers to a row house, usually 3-4 stories that was may have been designed for 1 family, but may now have 4 or more living units. The stone on the exterior is a brown sandstone that was mined from 1 of a few quarrys in the area, (I think one in CT?) hence the name. The word "brownstone" is often used generically to describe any row house.
A row house is one of the skinny buildings with similar houses attached on both sides. Very common in parts of Brooklyn & Manhattan.
A multi-family, again, is a building with several apartments, either rental or owned units. I think > 3 units makes it a mulit-family dwelling; I'm not 100% sure.
A big brick apartment building with a lot of units is a multi-family dwelling. They can be rental or owned units.
If anyone has anything to add or wants to correct this, feel free. -
Thank you! Oh, yes Ill be renting as well.
So to classify, what would this image be?
http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/6-10ClarkSt.jpeg
it says brownstone. But i mean pertaining to the fire escape, and the brick, and the many units... ?
and this is a bad picture (i am thinking more of park slope type entrances...)
http://www.condo-living-west.com/nyblog/image.....etropolitan-townhomes.jpg
what is a building with the stoop in front of it?
--I am looking for an apt. lbuilding like the first link, really. I love those fireescapes
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the first link would just be called an apartment building. It's definitely not a brownstone.
second link doesn't work.
Brownstones are the prototypical brooklyn buildings with the stoops in front. Like this. http://www.coloraddict.com/images/brownstoneLg.jpg -
okay so the link you posted.. yes, that was what I was thinking. is that generally turned into several homes (was once one home) and is considered a walk up , also?
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also, I am seeing lots of ads for apartments (studios) that are "pre war" apartment buildings. what is an example of this?
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Pre war means built before World War II (early 1940s).
The rooms are usually bigger then post war buildings. -
thank you again!
Alright, so the brownstones with the "stoops" as mentioned above, are usually 6 room units or so? so they are private units? and u can walk up, to 2nd story or 3rd? is that called a walk up too? that kind like the link posted above? -
Yes, Arches posted a classic NYC brownstone, and quite a beautiful one IMO. They are almost always walk-ups, but I was once in one with a small elevator that was installed after the fact. Some very lucky and/or rich people will own a whole building. Most often, there is a separate apartment on each floor, with a common stairway leading to each apartment. Some of them also have an apartment at the basement level.
Also, like Arches said, the first building you posted is just a brick apartment building.
I'm a structural engineer, and I often find the older, pre-war buildings to be built much better than the newer buildings. -
thanks again all of you. this was extremely helpful!
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Most brownstones were originally built as single family homes in the 1800s but have since been divided into multiple units (approx 1 every floor or 2 per floor if they are studio apartments). More fortunate people may own an entire brownstone as a single family dwelling (worth millions of dollars), but many of these buildings still house 3-5 apartments. The best floors of a brownstone are generally the garden apartment (lowest level with access to a small backyard) and the Parlor floor (the first floor at the top of the main stoop with the highest ceilings). Occasionally these two floors are combined into a very nice and large apartment (usually occupied by the building's owner since it's so nice). Other apartments in a multi-unit brownstone are usually accessed by an internal staircase/hallway area.
The building photo you posted looks like a typical prewar multi-unit apartment building. I googled 6-10 clark street and looked at the listings at Awaye Realty. It looks like it's a walk-up building (they usually mention elevators if they have one) so a higher floor is less desirable (think groceries or furniture). But the location is fantastic. That part of Brooklyn Heights is really quite beautiful, safe and convenient via subways. It's definitely not a brownstone, but you would be surrounded by them.
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Oh just to clarify, I've added the following photo of a typical Brooklyn Brownstone. Occasionally these may be made of red brick with no "Brownstone" coating, but the size, construction and proportions are usually very much the same. That first photo you sent is not a brownstone.
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?cc728bea1a.jpg -
Pre-war means before WWII? I never knew that...I always thought it meant before WWI. Just because it's made out to be something quasi-special but I don't think I've ever looked at an apartment in NYC built past 1920 or so...meaning they were ALL pre-war but weren't advertised as such. And they definitely didn't all have cool details or brick walls or whatever.
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Yes, pre-war means before WWII. As said above, it usually means larger rooms, and sturdier construction. While it is used as a marketing tool, of course you should look at the individual apartment and the building as a whole. If the building hasn't been maintained, or if systems such as electrical, plumbing, HVAC etc. haven't been upgraded, you may be better off at a different building.
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i think pre-war means before wwI, at least that's what i've been told.
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Thank you so much to everyone! This has really cleared up everything.
Its so funny, what brokers and owners use in their CL ads. Me, coming from an entirely different place-I had no idea, and they usually do not clear that up for me. Well they never did. so sincerely, thanks again guys.
I think I am definetly leaning towards a place in a brownstone, like the link u posted above, madman.
Now, that that is cleared up.... Must find reliable broker to help me land one in PLG or PH !! Wish me luck. ha -
From wiki, the answer to and source of much internet confusion:
"The term pre-war is usually applied to the most recent or significant war in a culture's history.
It is, however, often used for the period before World War I or the Interwar period before the outbreak of World War II, i.e. before 1939 or 1940.
In real estate the term refers to buildings from the (late) 1930s in the Functionalist or Art Deco styles."
This makes it nice and vague, don't it? That pre-Gulf War construction is something else!
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I know, right? Magic word that realtors can weasle in to make people want to buy! Similar to the realtors that tell me "Brower park, and east of washington" is still prospect heights!
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Realtors lie. See the apartment yourself and do as much research as possible.
I have definitely seen post-WWII construction advertised as "pre-war." Presumably, if pushed to the wall over it, they would claim they meant pre-Gulf War. If a word doesn't have an iron-clad legal definition, you can be sure they will stretch it to the limit.
Very quiet interior: You can barely hear the subway with the windows shut.
Convenient to shopping: Next to a strip mall.
Convenient to subway: Above ground tracks right outside your window.
2+ bedrooms: The room in the basement isn't a legal bedroom but, well, you know.
Seller has left you to your own imagination: Hasn't been updated since 1940.
Great bones: You'll need to tear it down to the studs.
Build some sweat equity: See "great bones."
Charming: Small.
Cozy: No room larger than 9 x 6.
Cute: Small and fussy.
Dollhouse, adorable: Nauseatingly cute.
Sunny: Has a window.
Unique: Remodeled by someone on acid.
Handyman special: Bring boots.
Walk to the park: The park is 20 blocks away.
Old world charm - Has some woodwork, needs cleaning.
Contemporary feeling - Has no woodwork, needs cleaning.
Security system- Neighbor has a dog.
Updated kitchen - Sink no longer overflows.
Convenient - Located on expressway entrance ramp.
Mint - Someone has spilled mouthwash on the carpet.
Neutral decor - No murals of nudes, or Elvis, but has brown walls.
Move in condition - Front door missing.
Much sought after - It's been on the market at least twice before and still no one wants it.
Quiet secluded setting - On site of a proposed fraternity complex.
Rare opportunity to buy - No one else wants it.
Well situated - In full view of the neighbors.
Within easy distance of - Next door to a pub and opposite a sex shop.
Motivated seller: They need to sell before they default on their mortgage.
Dirty, ugly, smelly: Dirty, ugly, smelly. -
If you want to live in a brownstone, you might want to focus on looking in the following neighborhoods (generally considered to be "Prime Brownstone Brooklyn":
Brooklyn Heights
Cobble Hill
Carrol Gardens
Boerum Hill
Forte Green
Park Slope
Prospect Heights
There are plenty of other great neighborhoods with wonderful buildings (including brownstones), but based on what you seem to be looking for these nabes might be worth a look. You might even get a deal in some of the usually expensive neighborhoods in this economy. -
Crown Heights, Clinton Hill and Bed Stuy also have lots of great old brownstones.
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Thanks for the handy decoder, Carnivore! I have to say, I've been less impressed with the pre-Iraqi War constructions.
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Carnivore.... Amazing! hahah, It is crazy to say that most of your translations I think are TRUE! hahaha. Classic.
Madman- I was really looking into PH, but have yet to find a place in PH- all havebeen in CH. SO I started to venture down to Prospect Lefferts Gardens. Any brownstone communities there? That is where me, and my budget, are mainly looking now. Though- I wish I could afford Prospect Heights- 1200 and under.. Sigh.
A brownstone would really be ideal though!
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